The Emperor
Member
Looking forward to that scene then!
Unless it happened in the
opening when Light fights Caius on bahamut?
That was magnificent!
Final Fantasy Versus XIII was announced in 2006. It is now 2012. These are facts.
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Looking forward to that scene then!
Unless it happened in the
That was magnificent!
My guess is after KH3D's release in March.
Exactly. They already made the PSP one not a XIII titled game, so might as well drop this whole fabulous crystal nova whatever thing they had going.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Why they should release a game on a new gen when now they have such an huge install base?
Not that. I said identical to the one in Versus XIII, you'll know when that happens
Meccanical
Member
Why are you guys thinking about Versus?
What did he say?
He said to forget about it .
And you're thinking about it.
You are doing this to yourselves.
What did he say?
He said to forget about it .
And you're thinking about it.
You are doing this to yourselves.
The Emperor
Member
Because the competition is high and the FF brand is weak and rumors are XIII-2 sales are pretty poor.
They should give FF a break, wait till nex-gen and launch within the year in the new console cycle.
That will make FFXV one of the MAJOR starting titles of the generation, the time gap may help people forget about the brands faults and as there won't be much competition in terms of quality titles FFXV will have a chance to make a BIG splash. Its Week 1 sales may be affected but the game will keep selling as it becomes a defining title of the generation.
In this generation its too late for Versus XIII to define anything....even if its excellent there have been MANY excellent games before it.
By the time XIII was out the generation had been defined...unlike when FFX had been released...it was one of the first BIG titles.
OF course I would LOVE to have Versus out this year...but if its to come out in 2013 anyway then I just hope its a nex-gen release.
I don't want a FFIX or FFXII scenario where great games don't get the credit they deserve due to nex-gen systems being out.
Imagine if the FFXII team had just worked for a extra year and made FFXII a PS3 game & Xbox 360 game (on PCSX2 FFXII looks magnificent in HD anyway)....most Xbox 360 launch titles looked like upgraded PS2 games anyway. No-one would have minded much and FFXII would have defined the start of the generation.
Most of this is just general speculation but I think a lot of it holds some weight.
That's ludicrous. They didn't do it with 9, they didn't do it with 12, they will not do it with Versus.
It took two years for a 360 game to match the sales of FFXII, and that was the platforms biggest game by far until Halo 3. It'd take three, probably four years before PS480 could match the sales of PS360 for Versus, that means delaying the game an additional four/five years. Making the budget rocket to the point where breaking even would require millions more than currently.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Bravely Default: Flying Fairy (3DS)
Dragon Quest X Online: Rise of the Five Tribes (Wii)
Final Fantasy XIV Online Version 2.0 (PC/PS3)
Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance (3DS)
And maybe:
Dragon Quest X Online: Rise of the Five Tribes (Wii U)
Final Fantasy X HD (PS3/Vita)
Final Fantasy versus XIII (PS3)
The Emperor
Member
Not that. I said identical to the one in Versus XIII, you'll know when that happens
Looking forward to that!
I think it was a massive mistake not doing it with XII, the brand would be in a different place today if they had.
With IX I'm not sure it matters much as X came out the year after anyway.
Versus XIII does not deserve to be overshadowed by nex-gen or by the poison of the XIII brand name; I am worried both may happen.
And you know as they are SE they probably won't do it
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
They did do it with IV (FC), VII (SFC) and XIII (PS2) though.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Key difference: they could get away with this sort of thing then. Now they are judged (sometimes unjustly) on a game-by-game basis.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
I don't think it's profitable anymore delaying again a game apparently almost done (8-9 months at best to launch it in Japan) yet so costy to develop further. Also they are in need of a strong IP for next christmas, at least in Japan, and there's nothing else around the corner so big for their next fiscal year to replace it with.
I don't get it.
What does FFXII have to do with the damage the brand received from the piss poor XIII/XIII-2/XIV releases?
Those games were not six years into development.
Meccanical
Member
4 years.
Announced doesn't mean it was in development.
Wada announced the game to promote the PS3, and he announced it way too early.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
I find it hilarious that they actually doubled down on the XIII universe by releasing XIII-2. XIII-3 still in the works?! Hahaha
friskykillface
Banned
I've only seen pics but that was way back when it was first announced but is the game gonna have FFXIII characters? Dumb question I know.
Someone said they should just rename it FF14 , I think that's gonna happen.
Someone said they should just rename it FF14 , I think that's gonna happen.
FF14 2.0 is coming in 2013 though, so that number is taken.
Meccanical
Member
They already have a XIV, it would have to be XV.
This is nonsense, and something debated frequently on the board. He's in the trailer, he is designed, design work on the game had been done. Music that will be in the game is there, the logo is there, the art direction is there. All of that is part of the development. Development actually started in 2003.
Meccanical
Member
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
They were all well into development though, and some at a time when games had significantly shorter cycles than today.
The Emperor
Member
Which is why what I'm suggesting probably won't happen.
It's not financially viable but I believe it would be good for the brand in the long run.
Well for a start if FFXII had the same critical reception (which was excellent) or even greater as the first years of PS3 & Xbox 360 were poor then a FINAL FANTASY would have been a defining title of this generation.
What did FF lack this generation that it had in previous ones? A defining title...a must buy title..FFXIII wasn't one..not even close to one after all the hype faded.
FFXII would have been that rather than one of the "good" last games of the PS2...I mean it came out here in EU a month a before PS3 released. I still remember it, FFXII trailers in the stores but the big interest then was in nex-gen.
The damage XIII/XIII-2/XIV have done would have been far less as a result.
Now I'm going into complete imaginary land but it could have given XIII the extra year of development it sorely needed (If what I've read in the FFXIII post-mortem was true).
Of course maybe the FFXV Itou might be working in being prepared for a Year 1-2 launch int he new console cycle..
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
StuBurns said:
Announcement date versus release date means nothing in itself.
If a small team has been part-timing it for 4 of those years while the bulk of the dev staff have been working on other projects its not a problem.
Never forget the bulk of the spend occurs on the big push to meet and promote a marketing designated release date.
No, the game will share some mythology stuff, like gods or whatever. It'll have this guy you can look forward to though-
The Emperor
Member
Make it go from the poisonous brand name of XIII to the _ _ _ _ _ _ brand name of XIV? lol
Fill in the blanks with whatever's worse than poison!
lol as the others said XIV name is already taken.
Yes, but we hadn't seen them, they hadn't been announced for the platform and received extensive coverage. Versus XIII is very much in the XII situation I think.
EDIT: Although I would love to play XIII for PS2, the celshading looked awesome.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Not quite, FFIV Famicom was actually announced and had released media (albeit 8bit bullshots, lol).
That's actually a very unique case, our IV was never for NES, our IV was going to be V, and there was going to be a IV for NES, but they canned it.
Meccanical
Member
Except you know, DNF was cancelled multiple times and was passed around dev teams like a cheap whore.
DNF was never cancelled, and it only moved from 3D Realms to the studio 3D Realms staff started after the company closed.
However the Japanese HL2 or EP3 is more accurate I imagine.
EDIT: The Japanese 'Agent', that's more likely it. A project by very successful developers, who have been working on it for a very long time, whilst also producing other titles.
Quick question, may be this has been asked but would you expect a 360 version to affect the development of the game?
Meccanical
Member
The only people who will be disappointed are the people expecting everything that has not been confirmed.
They did say that, along with it being darker as reasons it's not a numerical entry, but that was before the XIII/XIV/XIII-2 hatred. If there was ever a time SE needed to be ballsy, it's now.
Shadowlink
Member
They might as well rename it FF XV if they're taking this long. Now I wonder if the game will stay as a PS3 exclusive or not.
Meccanical
Member
FF 12 wasn't turn based either.
But then again it wasn't exactly action oriented.
I don't know, I don't think having direct control over all your actions should strike it out really.
Then again I don't care about the name, I care about the game.
Call it Final Fantasy XV and it wont bomb. Versus XIII is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. But it is Square after all...
I don't believe the name has such a strong impact. Any game can sell well if marketed correctly. Specifically Versus is a poor name because it invokes a fighting game with the XIII characters, which is additional market confusion marketing would have to work around, and FFXV would hold a fair amount of weight, but ultimately it's still a case of the marketing division to sell it to the public.
The name Final Fantasy Versus would suffice. Type 0 deviated from its original name of Agito XIII, so dropping the XIII from Versus XIII would be alright.
As for the waiting time, I'm all for waiting if it means that we get a worth-while game. Clearly Nomura wants this to be the most polished FF game to date. Yes, they did announce the game WAAAAY to early, because now, people can't get it out of their heads.
We got plenty of great games coming out guys, I can wait.. and I hope you all can too.
As for the waiting time, I'm all for waiting if it means that we get a worth-while game. Clearly Nomura wants this to be the most polished FF game to date. Yes, they did announce the game WAAAAY to early, because now, people can't get it out of their heads.
We got plenty of great games coming out guys, I can wait.. and I hope you all can too.
Meccanical
Member
Yeah basically.
If they show things that are attractive to the people, it will sell stupid name or not.
Besides the name still has the words Final Fantasy in it, which means it will sell well regardless of quality.
Final Fantasy Versus doesn't make sense, if it gets rebranded, they'll change the Versus bit too I imagine.
Yeah, I think it will sell regardless actually. People aren't stupid, they would know it isn't XIII-3 even without a name change.
Meccanical
Member
Makes plenty of sense, it's the keyword of the game.
It might make sense for sales, but it won't make sense for the logic of the name. Final Fantasy Agito actually makes sense, and they didn't use it. So a title that only made sense with the XIII on the end would almost certainly get a full renaming.