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Halo 4 Announced (MS Conf, 2012, Start Of New Trilogy)
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Barrow Roll
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I don't want to be forced to used shit weapons for the sake of "diversity." Want me to drop the BR/DMR? Then make the other non-power weapons worth the effort. In Reach, most of them are not worth the effort, simple as that.
But the needler!
Devolution
Member
Halo CE was much better about this. Funny that it was the only one that couldn't do online matchmaking when it got multiplayer the most right in terms of useful variety of weapons, balance, weapons on map placement and ladders. Fuck lifts. The best thing about Halo CE was risk/reward. Want a power weapon or higher vantage point? Take a risk to get it or climb a ladder leaving you vulnerable. Players earned shit in Halo CE. No one earns dick in Reach, it's just all handed to people in the loadout screen then we all play some complicated paper, rock, jetpack game of bullshit.
Oh and the best part is that maps weren't even made thinking about how jetpacks would be utilized. Nice fucking soft killzones way too late.
Fuck I'm rambling but honestly there is just so much wrong with Reach I could write an essay.
This. All of this.
I feel like I have already read the equivalent of one, but I would totally read another from you.
And that's why I'm surprised you don't play MLG more. Or more people other than you. I feel like there's no real bullshit with the maps, weapons and powerups in the MLG maps and gametypes. I mean, in this current version the pistol being so powerful is definitely the worst part about it. I understand the dislike for evade even though I'm sorta ok with it. You need to be like Ryanoob to bring out the imbalance. And while I complain about the pistol often, there are like 2 on each map. They do respawn quite often but it could be worse.
Barrow Roll
Member
Like I said, most of them aren't worth picking up in Reach. The Needler is situational but actually pretty decent. It's come along way since the Halo 1/2 Needler. The Plasma Pistol's EMP effect makes in worth picking up in BTB and just pulsing it strips shields ridiculously fast. I can't think of anything else off the top of my head but that seems about it really.
Devolution
Member
It's not that I don't like the gametypes it's the playerbase is too serious and I end up getting wrecked by people who play constantly.
Barrow Roll
Member
This.
I really hope Halo 4 nails it so that we don't have to have an MLG playlist that plays vastly different than the rest of the game. I like the current no sprint MLG settings and if it were spread to the rest of the game I'd be stoked because I have no interest in playing the types of players in the MLG playlist.
Speaking for myself, MLG with a group is really fun, if there is good skill matching. The best games ever are the ones that are 50-49.
In Reach I usually roll in a two, but we very rarely have another two to play with us. If we go into MLG, we usually get matched against a team of four that will dong on us. There is also really poor skill matches and so it's not fun.
The people who play MLG are generally a lot better and take it super seriously, sometimes I want to play seriously, but I prefer playing for fun, which MLG doesn't really support. If I managed to find others to play with in MLG, I feel like I would let them down if I don't perform. Dat pressure.
The Xtortionist
Member
Most of them haven't been worth picking up since Halo 2. Sad, really.
MLG won't ever be vanilla because they change settings for the sake of changing them in every game they touch (not just Halo). It won't matter how fast Halo 4 is, they'll still set it to 110% speed. Otherwise their community will think they haven't tweaked it enough.
The last time they actually played anything that resembled vanilla Halo was Halo 2. Since then, they've diverged into a distinctly different and limited weapon and rule set.
From the Pandemic Wiki page
Imagine the potential behind this if they have designed a completely new mode which is a spiritual successor to invasion, but is completely new and independant of anything we've seen in the Halo universe before. It'd be a general war mode, with players being able to choose different classes within a faction.
UNSC
Cortana (Hero unit)
Spartan II's (Starring the Chief)
Spartan III's
ODST's
Marines
Cyclops (From HW)
Covenant
Prophet of Truth (Hero Unit)
Elites (Starring Arbiter)
Brutes
Jackals
Grunts
Hunters
Forerunner
Librarian (Hero Unit)
Powerful forerunners (With Didact)
?
?
?
Forerunner War Machines
Different maps would pit different factions against eachother, they'd all have different abilities n' shit. It'd be loads of fun and definitely bring an absolute plethora of freshness to the series. I mean fuck it, add weapon upgrades and level progression to this mode for all I care. It'd be fun, as long as it remains independant from the Halo we already love and know, I'd be fine with it.
343i did state they are making drastic changes to multiplayer, maybe this is it?
Maybe I was wrong to doubt them, maybe they truly understand that video games aren't simply just a way of making money, but that they're also our friends.
That's such a bummer. Halo 4 needs some serious matchmaking and ranks man. Reach dropped the ball so hard in that department. I just don't understand. I would also like to see some challenges that point players into the MLG playlist. Win 5 games of MLG: 5,000 credits or some shit.
Yeah man, I miss 1-50. Shit was good.
Devolution
Member
It doesn't help that there are 22 different playlists not including firefight which limits the crappy matchmaking even more, so skill matching is all the more messed up.
I never knew that Pandemic made Battlefront. Mind blown.
Jeez so many. I don't know how people play normal team slayer. I played those 2 games with you guys tonight and that was all I could take. Just mindless bullshit on a bad map against players we clearly outclassed.
Gotta have them cheevements because lord knows an FPS needs multiplayer achievements to sell it's DLC
I felt like as great as the 1-50 was for skill matching (and people actually cared about their rank so played harder), the number of second accounts killed it for me. Nothing was more frustrating playing against people who clearly are using a second account (but were still better than you) beating you at a low level.
Rand0m TAG
Member
343 needs to make a decision on this ar/br nonsense. You can't balance a game on 2 weapons that play completely different. Imo br starts all the way with ar secondary.
higherARC05
Banned
I can not wait until we actually start talking about the game itself when we get to play it or get some details on the gameplay. Going to be great. Lol just watch us look back on this conversation when HALO 4 releases. Good laughs.
Diablohead
Member
I still kind of hate bungie for never buffing the plasma repeater in reach, that thing is terrible, in fact all human weapons are much better at most roles then the covenant counter parts, bar maybe the plasma pistol with it's overcharge.
In halo CE multi a plasma weapon would hamper your turning while being hit by it, no other halo ever added that effect back in.
In halo CE multi a plasma weapon would hamper your turning while being hit by it, no other halo ever added that effect back in.
SomeOneInaHat
Member
It's the one that always makes me happy.
Game needs modern warfare 2 multiplayer loading speeds. From the time you put in the disc to the time you get into a game is about 15 seconds. Feels good man.
On a more realistic note a % number or loading bar would also be nice for multiplayer. Despite popular belief blackscreen is not fun.
On a more realistic note a % number or loading bar would also be nice for multiplayer. Despite popular belief blackscreen is not fun.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Yep, the plasma repeater is a blast to shoot, but the results ain't so hot. Its definitely not the easiest weapon to use, either. They could make it more powerful than the AR and most people still probably wouldn't do well with it since it requires you to lead the target.
squidhands
Member
You mean returning it to it's beta stage, where it was a worthwhile weapon to use? Between that and the neutering of the Focus Rifle, those two new weapons became pretty much useless in anything outside of Elite gametypes (where the damnable Evade AA should have stayed).
However, the Plasma Pistol is a beast in Reach. I love it.
ElzarTheBam
Member
Agreed, the plasma pistol is deadly.
It was the Halo 3 Beta Spiker and Carbine all over again. RIP Beta Spiker.
I do love the PP in Reach, and am glad it was returned to its Halo 1 power. It's really great in FF/Campaign in particular.
I wonder there'd be an effective way to deal with boosters. Votekick maybe?
squidhands
Member
There might as well be a note stuck to all the nerfed weapons that reads "remember the beta?" with a trollface at the end of it. :-\
From the Pandemic Wiki page
Imagine the potential behind this if they have designed a completely new mode which is a spiritual successor to invasion, but is completely new and independant of anything we've seen in the Halo universe before. It'd be a general war mode, with players being able to choose different classes within a faction.
UNSC
Cortana (Hero unit)
Spartan II's (Starring the Chief)
Spartan III's
ODST's
Marines
Cyclops (From HW)
Covenant
Prophet of Truth (Hero Unit)
Elites (Starring Arbiter)
Brutes
Jackals
Grunts
Hunters
Forerunner
Librarian (Hero Unit)
Powerful forerunners (With Didact)
?
?
?
Forerunner War Machines
Different maps would pit different factions against eachother, they'd all have different abilities n' shit. It'd be loads of fun and definitely bring an absolute plethora of freshness to the series. I mean fuck it, add weapon upgrades and level progression to this mode for all I care. It'd be fun, as long as it remains independant from the Halo we already love and know, I'd be fine with it.
343i did state they are making drastic changes to multiplayer, maybe this is it?
Maybe I was wrong to doubt them, maybe they truly understand that video games aren't simply just a way of making money, but that they're also our friends.
So essentially what you want, is Halo version of Star wars battlefront 2? I don't want any of that mucking about with hero units and buying weapons, continue in the same direction halo is going but not mind bogglingly different.
I'd like it to be a 'mode'. I don't want the entirety of Halo following that direction.
I know what I'm asking for is unrealistic, as ultimately the game would be sent in two different directions, and I doubt 343i has the resources to do so. I still think a 16vs16 mode for BTB is both manageable and desirable though.
I know what I'm asking for is unrealistic, as ultimately the game would be sent in two different directions, and I doubt 343i has the resources to do so. I still think a 16vs16 mode for BTB is both manageable and desirable though.
16 vs 16 would be excellent, but even as a mode that is just highly unlikely for a game type, the battlefront thing I mean, the game code would have to be completely different from that of the rest of muliplayer/campaign
Hydranockz
Member
16v16 sounds good on paper but can you honestly think that 343 will be making maps suitable for 32 players? Halo over the years has taught the importance of map desgn and I don't think 32 player map design is an area that needs to be ventured... It's nice to want things?
squidhands
Member
"Some"? There are maybe two maps may fit that bill, and Boneyard and Spire are horrible maps for anything.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Truthfully I think that had more to do with map design than size, as Boneyard didn't even try to properly use the space it offered. That said, I agree the they should up the player count by at least a little bit.
Did they ever have your money?
i nerini del buio
Member
4-player split screen is great for lans, customs, campaign co-op, firefight, but I'd like it to be left out of matchmaking honestly
Play other games?