I just like that even the fanfic ends with Secret Base.
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Amagami 9
Yum.
Also, I'm glad that
the narrator
is back. But, more boring stuff. I wonder if they shouldn't have just time jumped much further, because the complications remain fairly shallow. I suppose if you follow the "Friends" model, you just randomly shuffle the relationships around in order to change things up, but you can't really do much with two episodes.
They NAILED Yu's DRAMATIC ACTION poses from the game. That whole fusion scene in ep 7 was way more badass then it's ever been, lol. The handling of Kanji was as funky as it's ever been, but I did lol Yu/Yosuke's reaction. Maggie's a waifu legit. I really hope they get to the True End, as I want to see
LIVE ACT Ao no Exorcist ~Majin no Rakuin~ (LIVE ACT Blue Exorcist ~Illegitimate Child of the Devil~) will be performed 9 times from May 11th-17th at the Nippon-Seinenkan in Tokyo featuring Ryō Kimura (Senri Nakao in the TV drama based on the manga Hana-Kimi) as Rin Okumura and Kimito Totani (Daiki Katō/Kamen Rider Diend in Kamen Rider Decade) as Yukio Okumura. Direction and script is by Satoshi Owada, who also did the stage version of Inazuma Eleven and is working on the Code Geass play, Riot's Eve.
Self-awareness doesn't imply cleverness or class, only that there's a wink to the audience to let them know that the show knows what it's doing when it's doing it.
It's not false advertising. The show presents itself as one thing and then deliberately pulls the rug out from under you, though you may try to spoil that effect. Obviously I wouldn't pull this on children, but an adult should have the temperament to handle the original intent of the work, no?
How is it not, when the true nature of the show is so different? Advertising a show as one thing and then having it be something completely different... no, I think that the true genre should be known.
I like to know this myself about shows, too, on that note.
But they are different works in completely different mediums. I don't know why people have such difficulty separating adaptations from the originals like this; same mentality that gets people upset about 'faithfulness' to source as if that even matters when faithlessness often benefits the material. That the Usagi Drop anime ends differently does not mean that you can just imagine that the manga fills in the blanks - it ends where it ends, regardless of where the original work ended.
Don't necessarily think that comparisons between the works should be ceased, or banned, or anything like that, just that the "IF YOU THINK YOU LIKE IT NOW WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE HOW IT REALLY ENDS LOL!1" thing is annoying on multiple levels.
They are in different mediums, but one is an adaptation of the work in the other. Basically what you're saying there is that because certain things happen in one version but not the other, those events never happened in the versions without them. So, for a different example, should we assume that the scenes that appear in the Star Wars (IV: A New Hope) novelization and radio drama, but do not appear in the main film, never happened in the movie, but happened in some alternate universe where the book/radio drama versions are set? Or should we assume that the latter fills in more details that the former left out? I absolutely would say the latter, unless something in a different film directly contradicted the events in the book. That's how canon works, generally, and yes, that term certainly applies here. Some of the stuff from the book but not in the film was interesting, and I do assume that it happened.
This issue, of what is and isn't canon, is an issue that's become somewhat important in Star Wars EU fandom -- some of the '90s EU books directly contradict some of what the PT says about the Clone Wars, for instance, and also about Boba Fett's origin. The solution wasn't to write out the whole EU, but instead to selectively retcon those offending parts of the EU, with the basic concept that things in the films are tier 1, then books are second tier, then comics, etc. Not everything else has such a clear statement of what the "real canon" is, though, but generally I'd assume that using a similar principle, the original source material or work by the original author (such as the Lucas PT movies overriding the work in older books because he's the creator of the franchise) is the main canon, and spinoffs/derivative works are alternate takes on it that may be good, but have less authority (like how that Boba Fett origin story was good and interesting, but unfortunately now is void canonically.).
I know the above is a somewhat different case from this issue of argument here, but it is related enough to mention it. And I mention Star Wars EU stuff because that's really what set my expectations for what is and isn't canon in a franchise, and for what the tiers are as well.
said it in a nutshell, jex. I agree with this while...
I don't agree on the point you two are making about the separation of the narrative, at all.
The gist of it is that I don't believe the narrative ends, just because it happens to exist within a separate medium from the point-for-point faithful anime, and you guys don't like what you've heard of the proper ending, so you say it's "Completely different! It deserves no mention," when that's hardly the case. The film is completely different. The anime isn't. I'm not arguing for (or against) faithfulness, so let's not get lost in a tangent, Icarus. There's no debate there, the anime has aired, and is. And with that, I'm saying that if one wanted to, they could go, and with precision, continue the story from the exact point the show left them off at, and do nothing but 'gain' in the process. It's not an issue of filling in blanks. There are no blanks to fill. And to not continue the story that does continue would be of your own inhibition, not because of the blockade--and I say blockade because of your use of the line--of 'medium,' when the producers themselves decided against doing anything different with it.
Conduct, I've agreed on.
And I could agree that there are instances where it wouldn't make any sense to discuss the manga (OG FMA adaptation vs the manga, for example), but Usagi Drop is not one of them.
But we're not even talking about spoilers now. Their argument is "well people snicker and make vague references that are impossible to interpret when people start watching this show known for its craziness, so it's okay to snicker and make a reference that is easily interpreted to something that happens in the manga when people are watching an anime that doesn't even follow that storyline."
And I just think they are the same, especially if you think the manga has nothing to do with the anime. That's probably where our disagreement is centred.
When an adaptation of something is made, and covers part of the original story but not all of it, it makes absolutely no sense to not consider the rest of the original story as where the story would have gone, had it been finished.
Sure, but then you get into posting on a board where people are exerting personalities.
Saying "table-kun" to someone watching Geass for the first time is meaningless to them, but signals intent to all the other people who have seen that show. Unless it's a post that says
Oh, gee, remember when that crazy chick rubbed one out under the table to a picture of that girl?
as a pithy response, then - for me anyway - I don't see a problem with that.
Hell, we all know that posting on anywhere, let alone GAF, is performativity in action.
If it's criticism of/commentary on Usagi Drop then it's not okay, that's apparently the standard. (That is, yes, I would agree that that's a somewhat similar case.)
Really though, there is a line between making comments about a show someone is watching, and going too far and spoiling things, but I don't think the kinds of things you mention here cross that line.
I think either you consider a text in a vacuum, at which point who gives a fuck what happens in the McDonald's Happy Meal comic book version, or you don't.
To say that someone can't bring up alternative versions is about as problematic as insisting that the only way to watch a show is with blinders on.
At some point, casting becomes spoilers - as has happened with The Walking Dead this season - so where do you stop? I don't mind "black barring" everything, since I have a script that turns off spoilers anyway, but when a thread becomes more censored than a CIA document about Area 51, I wonder what the point of a public forum is at that point.
I support censoring spoilers, and do so myself. It is definitely sometimes hard to decide what should be spoilered and what shouldn't. Sometimes it's obvious, sometimes much less clear.
On that note, should I be censoring anything more I've said here? I don't think I said enough to need them, but I'm not sure...
I think the issue with these Code Goose and School Days comparisons is that they're not good shows and hinting at stuff for them is a bit of a non-issue. Going out of your way to hint at something that would ruin a decent series like Usagi Drop for some people is just being deliberately dickish.
I don't see how things like "Nice Boat" or "Congratulations" are the same at all. It's almost impossible to know the meaning of those terms without knowing the actual context. It's an issue of intent.
I can't believe we're still talking about this. What's so hard about everyone agreeing not to be jerks?
It's not really even to do with that. No one is going to get anything from "lol table-kun" besides people who've seen Code Goose already. "Lol manga ending" implies a lot more wrt Bunny Drop without having finished it, and refers to something outside the anime. I feel like this has already been explained, maybe multiple times.
"lol manga ending" doesn't tell you what kind of ending that is, though... and "nice boat" might get someone to look up what that means, so no, those two aren't THAT different. They're quite similar in fact -- neither makes compelte sense on their own, but does once you learn what the spoiler means, as hearing about the spoiler might get someone to do. And in both cases more detail in the spoiler might give away the rest of the context.
Not for nothing, since I don't really care about Usagi Drop in particular, but if the people writing the adaptation cared, they could have ended it like the movie and basically had
the parents hook up.
. They still had a choice in how they adapted a text, and they decided to go one way instead of another.
Whether the mangaka had a say in the anime but not the movie, I have no idea.
Had a great time with this feel-good series. It had
a very open ending (in terms of just looking to the future)
, yet I ended up being pretty okay with it. Interactions with Daikichi, Rin and Kouki have really had me cheesin' at my computer all night. Too cute and warm, can't help myself.
Anyways, loved it. Regret missing out on it last year, thanks Mr. Penguin.
Next...I guess I have the Lupin films Usagi Drop movie on the list.
For the record, when I lurked here I correctly inferred the ending of the Usagi Drop manga from the nature of how it was always addressed here, or rather, how posters
vehemently denied that it even existed, warned fans of the anime not to read the manga, etc. It's not a big leap to guess that the manga must undermine defining elements of the anime in the worst way possible for it to have achieved unspeakable status
.
I understand that some might joke about the manga in order to
soften the blow of what happened and others may think that they're trying to protect the experience of people who have only been exposed to the anime
, but I also understand why some find the behavior upsetting. Depending on how some perceive anime adaptations of manga to be entirely separate or simply different facets of the same work, what happens in the manga can have an impact on one's enjoyment of the anime. This wasn't the case for me (I never made it more than a couple of episodes into Usagi Drop but stopped watching for an entirely separate and pretty unusual reason), but I think the concerns being expressed are valid.
Hmm, interesting viewpoint. You're probably right, for the most part
, but sticking to firehawk's School Days comparison, a lot of those comments spoiled that show's ending as well, so the comparison is still valid even considering what you say here
.
Daily Lives of Highschool Boys and Rinne no Lagrange are as close as it gets, though as others have said there's nothing that's actually "must watch".
Bodacious Space Piractes is must watch for sci-fi TV fans who also like anime, for sure... but yeah, that isn't everyone. And apart from Space Pirates, this season is somewhat weak, yes. There's Milky Holmes S2, of course, which is pretty funny if not quite S1's equal, but other than that... Daily Lives of Highschool Boys is alright, sure. Maybe Rinne (for fans of that kind of thing). Also don't forget the ongoing shows Chihayafuru and Last Exile Fam; both are certainly worth a look. Overall, there are some things on worth watching, even if I can certainly see why many people would be bored by it.
I don't think I would call Pirates something with wide appeal, nor would I even be able to give a title of best show of the season to any show really.It's a little less accessible for the average viewer, but if they have a liking of sci-fi/Star Trek to some extent, it's up their alley.
Nothing really sticks out this season as "wowing" me. I enjoy many shows this season, but none of them have that factor.
Next season, my friend, next season. My hype for it's through the roof, especially if the Lupin rumors come to be true. omfg. hallelujah. This season is like the fast before a feast, kinda.
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P4:8-9
Rise idol op get! That was out of nowhere, lazily done, but cool. It would have been nice to see the other characters get an op of their own, but AIC so non-caring. Why waste money on something that won't boost sales? lol. kind of telling. The camp scene was hilarious, as was the added bit with Kanji at the end. I may be forgetting things from the game, but it feels as if the show's actually filling in significant little expository details that the game left out. The fuzzy warning show before the actual kidnapping, for example. I don't remember that actually being given reason in the game.
Next season, my friend, next season. My hype for it's through the roof, especially if the Lupin rumors come to be true. omfg. hallelujah. This season is like the fast before a feast, kinda.
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Rise idol op get! That was out of nowhere, lazily done, but cool. It would have been nice to see the other characters get an op of their own, but AIC so non-caring. Why waste money on something that won't boost sales? lol. kind of telling. The camp scene was hilarious, as was the added bit with Kanji at the end. I may be forgetting things from the game, but it feels as if the show's actually filling in significant little expository details that the game left out. The fuzzy warning show before the actual kidnapping, for example. I don't remember that actually being given reason in the game.
is yuu like... oh, i dunno... a ghost, a made up friend or both (a childhood friend of mato's that died at an eraly age and is actually an imaginary manifestation to help mato mentally and emotionally cope with her loss) or *insert convoluted shit here*?
because i'm at a loss for words at what the fuck just happened. trying to wrap my head around all this stupid shit's giving me a goddam headache. ugh
Rise idol op get! That was out of nowhere, lazily done, but cool. It would have been nice to see the other characters get an op of their own, but AIC so non-caring. Why waste money on something that won't boost sales? lol. kind of telling. The camp scene was hilarious, as was the added bit with Kanji at the end. I may be forgetting things from the game, but it feels as if the show's actually filling in significant little expository details that the game left out. The fuzzy warning show before the actual kidnapping, for example. I don't remember that actually being given reason in the game.
It's amazing how terrible and lazy Rise's OP for that episode was. There was like maybe 10 actual animated frames of dancing the whole song, and the rest was still-frames. That episode actually aired while THE IDOLM@STER was still airing, and the comparison of Goddess Rie's dance numbers in that show compared to her dance number in P4 was quite hilarious and embarrassing for P4.
This right here is my personal show of the season. Great art, good animation, likeable characters. Lots of story development, good pacing and comedy bits. But most of all it can't take an easy way out someone is going to end up heartbroken.
They are in different mediums, but one is an adaptation of the work in the other. Basically what you're saying there is that because certain things happen in one version but not the other, those events never happened in the versions without them.
How about them continuity in comics... why shouldn't I be selective? Do I accept all of them?
When an adaptation of something is made, and covers part of the original story but not all of it, it makes absolutely no sense to not consider the rest of the original story as where the story would have gone, had it been finished.
ABF, this is why I get annoyed with you whenever adaptations are involved in our discussions. You're practically saying I have to read the manga if I've watched the anime or vice versa to fully experience a work.
This right here is my personal show of the season. Great art, good animation, likeable characters. Lots of story development, good pacing and comedy bits. But most of all it can't take an easy way out someone is going to end up heartbroken.
It's amazing how terrible and lazy Rise's OP for that episode was. There was like maybe 10 actual animated frames of dancing the whole song, and the rest was still-frames. That episode actually aired while THE IDOLM@STER was still airing, and the comparison of Goddess Rie's dance numbers in that show compared to her dance number in P4 was quite hilarious and embarrassing for P4.
The town's populated by a bunch of incidental characters (most of which are Yu-Swag's S.Links) which makes it feel like a real town instead of a static background where the main characters interact.
What do you mean here? I don't quite understand. Continuity between different comic series based on the same franchise or something? I would assume it'd depend on the case in question, but the original material would probably be the core. The more reboots, remakes, what have you, you add on the more complex it gets, but there's got to be something that's the original canon at least, even if later they diverge from it. I'm not sure if this is an answer to your question though, as I said I don't quite understand it.
ABF, this is why I get annoyed with you whenever adaptations are involved in our discussions. You're practically saying I have to read the manga if I've watched the anime or vice versa to fully experience a work.
Yeah, I thought you'd be on the other side of this one for sure... but no, I don't actually think that. Or at least, not quite, I think. Going back to Star Wars, I certainly wouldn't say that you need to read the book, or listen to the radio drama, in order to understand the first movie. What doing that would do is add in more details for people who like the film or franchise, to get a more complete picture. But is other stuff necessary? No.
Of course, however, the complicating factor is the issue of which one's the original. It may be an anime first, or a manga, or movie, or whatever. Does someone need to know the original in order to like a remake or spinoff or other-format title based on it? No, they don't. I'm sure there are examples of games I've liked based on properties I don't know about, or vice versa, for example. My point isn't that you NEED t know the source material; it's important, but not necessary. I mean, there are movies I've watched based on books I haven't read, and that hasn't always made me go out and read the book. The film (or anime)'s a pretty full experience on its own... unless I really liked it and want to know about the source, or any changes from the original (because movies are often altered from book or short story sources, Hollywood for another example does that every time), in which case sure, look it up.
So yes, looking at each one individually is reasonable, but I do think that they are connected, to some degree or another. And yes, the most full experience would be in knowing all of them. Where I definitely disagree with what you said, however, is the use of the word "must"; as I said, I don't think that. There are far too many things where I only know an adaptation and not the source to say "you must know the source too".
Maybe it's less important to know the source material for a more heavily adapted work, versus one very similar to the original, but I'm not sure about that either... for a very close adaptation the response that "eh, that's close enough" is a reasonable one, while with a more distant adaptation you might want to know what the original was like. I'm not sure.
In the case of anime based on mangas, most of the time adaptations are a lot like the original, which changes here and there. Sometimes you see something more significantly changed, or you get added content, but more often than not they do try to mostly stick to the original story... but it's not the original source, so it's probably not on the top level of canon. The original manga would be that. However of course, that says nothing about personal preferences. There are many chances where people are going to like derivative works over originals, and often for good reason, certainly! I was only looking at issues of canon and versions here, not about which ones are better. Certainly there are, for instance, plenty of cases of animes which improve on the mangas they are based on -- changing things from the original that didn't quite work, adding details, etc.
More shows would be much better off with the narrator as he manages to make episodes focused on such a boring character to be kinda entertaining. only one episode until dat glorious haruka.
More shows would be much better off with the narrator as he manages to make episodes focused on such a boring character to be kinda entertaining. only one episode until dat glorious haruka.
This right here is my personal show of the season. Great art, good animation, likeable characters. Lots of story development, good pacing and comedy bits. But most of all it can't take an easy way out someone is going to end up heartbroken.
Pretty stunning episode and glorious visual effects. The anime never ceases to amaze me. It was kind of touching too with
Shu calling Haruka his mom and she going on that whole search for him, hopefully she wont die. Also was great to see Inori even though shes still captive I think it was mindblowing when he got his arm powers and the visuals dedicated to outlining the voids as he used them in quick succession. Hopefully he wont die in the end, and so glad Yahiro is sticking around.
I was going to be so mad if Ayase had used the void genome
Previous student council pres needs to get out of the plot, her scenes have continually become awkward.
This is actually a huge spoiler. I have to admit that this scene inspired me to give a bit of praise I to the staff: I think it's commendable they made sure that Yuu never had a shadow, not even in episode 1, without calling attention to it.
There's a rumor flying around that one of the animation directors will be Hiroshi Shimizu (who worked on Pom Poko, The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, the Professor Layton movie and the 2011 Lupin special.)
I'm really hoping it keeps the Yuji Ohno theme for the opening still. I can't see that getting changed.
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I think I'm getting numb to the drama, the only thing I find really good are the battles but outside of that I can't feel anything. I mean I know the scene between Shu and Haruka was supposed to be touching but there was nothing! D=
I think it was mindblowing when he got his arm powers and the visuals dedicated to outlining the voids as he used them in quick succession. Hopefully he wont die in the end, and so glad Yahiro is sticking around. 
