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[watership]

I agree with this. They are bigger bullet sponges than the Cerberus Mechs, or the Harvesters. At the end when they throw three or four of them at you at once, I was raging pretty hard. Then I realized there was literally no end of them, and that I was supposed to just run over and hit the "launch missile" button ;_;

The lead up battle to the beam? UGH. First time I actually wanted to throw a controller in awhile.

 

[Fimbulvetr]

Anybody seen this yet? http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/defining-shepard-these-are-the-tools-used-and-the-challenges-found-writing

DA2's ending had a very retarded means and character breaking means to a conclusion I actually liked - a war breaking out between Templars and Mages. That is a conclusion that has potential going into sequels or spinoffs but doesn't fucking destroy the Dragon Age world. In fact, I'd love a Dragon Age game that didn't have any darkspawn whatsoever as long as Mages and Templars threw themselves at one another and there were other political wars going on. And dragons could do something significant too - that would be nice.

From what I’ve heard, a novel set after DA2(well, in between the final battle and epilogue anyway) actually does a much better job setting up the Templar/Mage war.

DA2 (storytelling wise) was a masterpiece compared to this.

DA2 was a masterpiece compared to the last 5 minutes of ME3.

Wut.

Maybe the ending was relatively less crappy, but the last horrid 10 minutes of ME3 don’t remotely make the badness in a lot of DA2’s writing seem appealing.

The difference is that ME3 has actual enjoyable parts before the abominable ending, so it seems even more worse by comparison.

Garrus? Wrex is where it's at

Funnily enough, on a superficial level, it feels a lot like Garrus was Wrex’s replacement since ME2, minus the threats of eating people.

The game starts weak (Earth intro) and ends spectacularly poorly (Everything from Hackett saying "The Crucible isn't doing anything." onward).

It’s almost funny that the one location pushed the most in the game’s marketing, is also surrounded by its worst writing.

I can't wait to see how Yahtzee weighs in, especially since he favors good writing/characterization/immersion over just mechanics. Do you guys think his review will be out next week, or will it take the week after?

Don’t be so sure. In his ME2 review his only comment regarding the narrative was “well of course it’s good” and then he mostly just complained about some of the ways ME2 wasn’t like ME1(exploration, the way environments fit together, loading screens,etc.).

We need a ghost kid to break the cycle and turn us into Internet-Human hybrids

Oh my god, it was Indigo Prophecy all along. ME3’s ending finally makes sense now.

 

[Karak]

reminder that some of us tried to warn you about this when the script leaked and we were told "oh that script is probably eight trillion years old pre-pre-pre-pre-alpha and in context it'll be both totally different and work fine"

well

Hahahah. Really? I wish I would have read about it to at least somewhat prepare. It would have actually helped me. I think on things like this a bit forewarned is good.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

I didn't read the leaked script, but these posts are petty.

People who bought it are not really going to give a shit whether you were right or wrong about how they feel about it.

i was being facetious

you need to chill out over this nobody's hurting bioware

 

[Xena]

By the way, what were the "consequences" for cheating your LI from ME1, which they were talking about throughout development? And I believe that on the same token, they said there would be a "reward" for remaining faithful to him/her the entire trilogy...

 

[jgminto]

Funnily enough I own all the Lost Blu-Rays and couldn't get past season two knowing all these questions would be answered poorly or not at all. BUT, at least Lost paid off in the character interactions. ME3 didn't even try.

? I'd say that's one of the areas where ME3 actually succeeded. It's the first time in the series where it actually felt like a real crew.

 

[ShaneB]

I agree with this. They are bigger bullet sponges than the Cerberus Mechs, or the Harvesters. At the end when they throw three or four of them at you at once, I was raging pretty hard. Then I realized there was literally no end of them, and that I was supposed to just run over and hit the "launch missile" button ;_;

The lead up battle to the beam? UGH. First time I actually wanted to throw a controller in awhile.

Yeah, they were never a problem for me that made me rage until those final encounters. Hell, fighting 4 Brutes was easier than the 2 Banshees. I guess they are the anti-Vanguard, since they sure loved to grabbed me.

Man, I still don't know how I feel about the ending, all in all, I stand by the fact that I love the game. It had me hooked in a marathon session and those are rare for me unless it's something special, but the ending still doesn't feel like proper closure that I wanted. =/

 

[Jibbed]

By the way, what were the "consequences" for cheating your LI from ME1, which they were talking about throughout development? And I believe that on the same token, they said there would be a "reward" for remaining faithful to him/her the entire trilogy...

Not sure about consequences, but there were some pretty intimate scenes between Liara and my Shepard throughout my playthrough... I'm assuming those were the 'rewards'.

 

[jackdoe]

? I'd say that's one of the areas where ME3 actually succeeded. It's the first time in the series where it actually felt like a real crew.

I meant more of an emotional payoff ending wise. They did well with the emotion leading up to the ending, but the ending just showed your two squadmates that you brought along and Joker. It made absolutely no sense.

And seriously, the writers at Bioware ripped off of Deus Ex.

Control Reapers:

Spoiler

Kill Bob Page.

Destroy Reapers:

Spoiler

Destroy Area 51.

Merge with Catalyst:

Spoiler

Merge with Helios.

Just put spoiler tags in case somebody hasn't played Deus Ex in this thread.

 

[Empty Space]

By the way, what were the "consequences" for cheating your LI from ME1, which they were talking about throughout development? And I believe that on the same token, they said there would be a "reward" for remaining faithful to him/her the entire trilogy...

I've asked this question twice and nobody has answered it I suspect there was no consequence.

 

[Zomba13]

I meant more of an emotional payoff ending wise. They did well with the emotion leading up to the ending, but the ending just showed your two squadmates that you brought along and Joker. It made absolutely no sense.

And seriously, the writers at Bioware ripped off of Deus Ex.

Control Reapers:

Spoiler

Kill Bob Page.

Destroy Reapers:

Spoiler

Destroy Area 51.

Merge with Catalyst:

Spoiler

Merge with Helios.

Just put spoiler tags in case somebody hasn't played Deus Ex in this thread.

Also copied DE:HR's 'Please select your ending' thing.

 

[ShaneB]

Thanks for the Dues Ex spoiler tags. HR is on my soon to play list

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Thanks for the Dues Ex spoiler tags. HR is on my soon to play list

No, Deus Ex 1.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

I've asked this question twice and nobody has answered it I suspect there was no consequence.

There was a bit of reaction.

Liara had a talk with Garrus once I got back together with her.

you need to chill out over this nobody's hurting bioware

Whut?

lol, that's cute. Trying to relate my thinking your post was petty in general to me defending a company over specifics.

Never change, GAF.

 

[Karak]

I've asked this question twice and nobody has answered it I suspect there was no consequence.

Aside from what others have posted earlier in the thread I don't think anything. For me it was Ashley hurt when she found out that I slept with Miranda but it only lasted for a couple seconds

 

[Psychoward]

Fuck me, I'm still upset.

 

[Karak]

Fuck me, I'm still upset.

Hahahah me too. I keep thinking, man I need to lay down and get ready for bed. Instead I just watch youtubes of the ending and hate bahahahahaha

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Hahahah me too. I keep thinking, man I need to lay down and get ready for bed. Instead I just watch youtubes of the ending and hate bahahahahaha

This post goes so well with your Sheen.

 

[Fimbulvetr]

For me it was Ashley hurt when she found out that I slept with Miranda but it only lasted for a couple seconds

Seriously? That’s even less substantial than the Reversed romances in P3. :/

 

[squidyj]

Drunken space walks are the best space walks.

Anything can happen on a drunken space walk. Exciting!

 

[Psychoward]

Hahahah me too. I keep thinking, man I need to lay down and get ready for bed. Instead I just watch youtubes of the ending and hate bahahahahaha

Yup

 

[Karak]

Seriously? That’s even less substantial than the Reversed romances in P3. :/

Yep yep. But it made sense in the conversation. Actually it was a very real sounding conversation about time missed and mistakes made. I liked it because it wasn't crazy or over the top it was just a discussion about what had occurred.

 

[MrDaravon]

So this thread is huge, but looking through the past few pages I didn't see this mentioned; was there any sort of specific resolution with Harbinger. Unless it was in one of the other endings (I did the synthesis one) I was expecting some sort of last conversation with him, or seeing him get destroyed or fucking SOMETHING.

 

[Jibbed]

Fuck me, I'm still upset.

Yup, s'gone 3am where I am and I can't really sleep.

BioWAAAARRRRREEEEEEEEE *shakes fists at sky*

So this thread is huge, but looking through the past few pages I didn't see this mentioned; was there any sort of specific resolution with Harbinger. Unless it was in one of the other endings (I did the synthesis one) I was expecting some sort of last conversation with him, or seeing him get destroyed or fucking SOMETHING.

Lol nope, he came at Shep with his laserbeemz near the end and then proceeded to fly off. That's it, he didn't even speak.

Edit: Just noticed you finished the game (same ending as me too, high-five?).. yeah, Harbinger makes the smallest of appearances just to cripple Shepard during the 'beam-run' bit, which I'm sure you remember.

 

[GorillaJu]

So what are the chances Bioware mans up and attempts to salvage their relationship with fans on both fronts (the ass rape with the paid day one DLC and the horrible ending) with a free DLC that adds on one more choice to the end that isn't just a giant ethereal middle finger (but tinted red green or blue)?

 

[Dysun]

I watched Return of the Jedi over the weekend. As cliche as it is, I think most people would have been happy with that kind of ending for ME3.

Am I rite?

A cliche reapers lose and what youve done over the course of 3 games showing you glimpses of what will come from the races you helped would not have the kind of backlash that this crap they gave us got, for sure

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Nope, nothing.

 

[Rokam]

So this thread is huge, but looking through the past few pages I didn't see this mentioned; was there any sort of specific resolution with Harbinger. Unless it was in one of the other endings (I did the synthesis one) I was expecting some sort of last conversation with him, or seeing him get destroyed or fucking SOMETHING.

He bombards you with eye beam. That's about it.

 

[Karak]

So what are the chances Bioware mans up and attempts to salvage their relationship with fans on both fronts (the ass rape with the paid day one DLC and the horrible ending) with a free DLC that adds on one more choice to the end that isn't just a giant ethereal middle finger (but tinted red green or blue)?

I wish the chances were high. But it would require an about face that I just don't see almost any company in the industry making. Botched endings have been made in games before, maybe not this popular but KOTOR 2 popular. I just don't see them doing it. But maybe thats because I can't handle another let down.

I mean if I was shooting for the sky it would be that they made more games based on my Shepard having another breath at the end(because it was shown for some reason). So Shepard in a non gate universe using my past saves. But man...I can't see it making much sense with only FTL.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

He bombards you with eye beam. That's about it.

Yeah. After everyone references him as the Reaper General, he just.... doesn't do anything.

I mean... in ME2, he decides you are enough threat that he needs to directly confront you multiple times. At the end of the game, you literally download data on him (which is also in ME3, but never referenced).

 

[Xena]

wow, I just checked out a video someone posted either on this thread or on the other in which male Shep and Kaidan were saying goodbyes... are they lovers? If I'm not mistaken, in ME1 male shep couldn't romance Kaidan, and female shep couldn't romance Ashley... so, did they change this on the third game?

EDIT: Well watched the rest of the video, and they kissed... yeah, I guess they are lovers! XD

 

[Enduin]

It doesn't ruin it. Because Shep thwarted their plans, they may have given up on a human-shaped Reaper.

ME2's paper-thin plot, why don't you make sense? Off to wiki I go.

Okay:


:|

True, but it ruined it in the sense that when I first thought of it, it was in the context that the Reapers were still just a super advanced synthetic race that harvested advanced organic species for their own benefit/reproduction and not as some crumby galaxy janitors that were "saving" organics from annihilation by their future synthetic creations.

There is something inherently interesting about an enemy being virtually unknowable, because it is in fact relatively foreign to human history and experience, especially in modern times. We have never faced an enemy that operated on the sole desire to destroy us completely and without mercy for no other reason than to do so, we've always been able to understand, to some degree, the actions of others and operate on the ability to negotiate with them at some point during a conflict even if its to surrender and submit to conquest, we'd still survive. This wasnt possible with the Reapers, it really was a situation where you fight or you die, as corny as that sounds.

Despite all their differences the various races of the galaxy could still understand each other if they tried, however limited that understanding was, and arrive on some common ground and work with one another in shared interest to fight together and resist the Reaper threat.

I mean thats a major theme in the game, being able to communicate with others to avoid hostilities and settle disputes. Whether its getting Chairman Burns to help victims of L2 implants in ME, to convincing Saren and TIM, appealing to whatever humanity remained in them, that they were wrong and were being controlled by the Reapers, to interacting with Legion and learning more about the Geth, realizing they didnt want to fight and using this new found information to help end the centuries long hostilities between the Quarians and the Geth. These and a whole host of other events small and large were often times affected by the choices you made in conversations and not just your actions in combat.

This is another reason the Catalyst ending was so terrible, there was no conversation and back and forth on the issues, we're told a bunch of stuff completely out of left field and without any discussion are forced to make a dramatic decision we barely understand the ramification of, let alone the rational behind.

 

[Rodhull]

Sorry I'm late to this thread so I'm sure these will likely have been covered but a couple of quick questions regarding Jack and Samara's missions if they died in ME2.

Does Jack just get replaced as a teacher at Grissom Academy if she died? Also does the Ardat-Yakshi monastery mission play out the same if Samara is dead or if Morinth replaced her?

Or do both missions just not take place?

I don't have saves where they died so am just interested to see what happened. Thanks.

 

[jackdoe]

This is another reason the Catalyst ending was so terrible, there was no conversation and back and forth on the issues, we're told a bunch of stuff completely out of left field and without any discussion are forced to make a dramatic decision we barely understand the ramification of, let alone the rational behind.

Haha. I opened my journal HOPING that there was a quest entry to clarify my choices. Nope. Nada.

Yeah. After everyone references him as the Reaper General, he just.... doesn't do anything.

I mean... in ME2, he decides you are enough threat that he needs to directly confront you multiple times. At the end of the game, you literally download data on him (which is also in ME3, but never referenced).

Honestly. There should have been two more boss fights in the game. One against Harbinger, right before the beam. And one against the Catalyst so you can tell it to shove its choices up its ass and that you'll make your own destiny by piercing the heavens with your drill.

 

[Trokil]

So what are the chances Bioware mans up and attempts to salvage their relationship with fans on both fronts (the ass rape with the paid day one DLC and the horrible ending) with a free DLC that adds on one more choice to the end that isn't just a giant ethereal middle finger (but tinted red green or blue)?

Not existing.

They are laughing their ass off until people are stop buying their games. Until then, they don't care. Why should they, in their eyes, we are milking cows anyway.

 

[GorillaJu]

I wish it was high. But it would require an about face that I just don't see almost any company in the industry making.

What if it were Valve? Aside from the obvious, that Valve is incapable of making such a heinous, emotionally abusive slap in the face to their fans.

The relationship between developer and fan base is important. Even a soulless giant like EA has to recognize this.

 

[MegaKungFuRadio]

The lead up battle to the beam? UGH. First time I actually wanted to throw a controller in awhile.

The final marauder on Insanity made me want to break something since each attempt took several minutes to get back up to and at a certain point, I found out that that was literally the last enemy in the game. I just couldn't do it. I wasn't 100% sure I set the difficulty to Insanity before leaving Earth anyway, since I hadn't planned on starting with Insanity, the game was just too easy with an imported character to not play on Insanity. I had been up for like 27 hours at that point and just wanted to finish so I switched it to narrative and got on with life.

Compared to that, the missile launcher was absolute cake. I'd kill the first two banshees with the missile launcher then tactical cloak to the controls :>

 

[Eusis]

Thanks for the Dues Ex spoiler tags. HR is on my soon to play list

They're Deus Ex 1 spoilers, though if you plan to play in chronological order it's still relevant.

And actually I think HR had even worse endings, but then it was a single game rather than meant to be the concluding portion of a trilogy; hell, despite it making Deus Ex a trilogy its status as a prequel allows it to avoid that problem period.

 

[Jibbed]

...there was no conversation and back and forth on the issues, we're told a bunch of stuff completely out of left field and without any discussion are forced to make a dramatic decision we barely understand the ramification of, let alone the rational behind.

Exactly. I stood there (well, my Shep did) just staring at the 3 options like;

'No... really? I have to fucking choose one of these 3? What were the options again? Did he says the relays would be destroyed for X? Or was it Y? Which is the paragon ending? Fuck it, I'm going for the middle one... it looks cool.'

It wasn't cool :/

 

[Karak]

What if it were Valve? Aside from the obvious, that Valve is incapable of making such a heinous, emotionally abusive slap in the face to their fans.

The relationship between developer and fan base is important. Even a soulless giant like EA has to recognize this.

I don't have any more respect for Valve than other Devs.

Sorry I hit return and didn't edit this.
I agree about the dev and fan base. I just don't see the time, money or care. They released it knowing what we were getting and if they are even somewhat intelligent they knew exactly how it would go over. Even my wife who rarely plays games, after I told her, understood how bothered I was and why it would get to me. So even an intern there at Bioware who just watered the flowers could have pointed this out.

 

[Karak]

Exactly. I stood there (well, my Shep did) just staring at the 3 options like;

'No... really? I have to fucking choose one of these 3? What were the options again? Did he says the relays would be destroyed for X? Or was it Y? Which is the paragon ending? Fuck it, I'm going for the middle one... it looks cool.'

:/

Hahahaha. I ended up going for a short 5 minute walk. Because I couldn't save and didn't remember where the last save was. I also kept trying to figure out which of them involved me living my life out with the friends that I had gathered in the 3 games...I failed I guess.

 

[Rokam]

Hahahaha. I ended up going for a short 5 minute walk. Because I couldn't save and didn't remember where the last save was. I also kept trying to figure out which of them involved me living my life out with the friends that I had gathered in the 3 games...I failed I guess.

On my 2nd time I tried shooting the Catalyst, and then tried jumping off from where the elevator brought me up. Neither worked, I was sad .

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

They are laughing their ass off until people are stop buying their games. Until then, they don't care. Why should they, in their eyes, we are milking cows anyway.

This is a completely weird viewpoint. Yes, they spent millions of dollars and hundreds of man hours just to be mean for no apparent reason.

"Hey guys, let's make a new game in order to annoy the fan base."
"But what about making something we want to make?"
"Nah. Let's waste precious time and money simply to be meanies. And to top it off, let's make sure it sells really well! That will piss people off, surely!"

 

[atomsk]

got the "green" ending.

Joker and EDI came out of the ship, I figure with the synth merging maybe Joker can get laid now

I wish shooting the little kid actually did something, almost everyone I've talked to said that was the first thing they tried

 

[LordCanti]

Exactly. I stood there (well, my Shep did) just staring at the 3 options like;

'No... really? I have to fucking choose one of these 3? What were the options again? Did he says the relays would be destroyed for X? Or was it Y? Which is the paragon ending? Fuck it, I'm going for the middle one... it looks cool.'

It wasn't cool :/

The joke was on you, because they all played basically the same end movie*.

I also tried shooting the catalyst.

*damn typo

 

[Jibbed]

Hahahaha. I ended up going for a short 5 minute walk. Because I couldn't save and didn't remember where the last save was. I also kept trying to figure out which of them involved me living my life out with the friends that I had gathered in the 3 games...I failed I guess.

;_;

Liara.. Garrus.. WHY.

 

[MegaKungFuRadio]

Yeah, I wanted to choose synthesis, but I didn't know which one it was and wrongly assumed they were in the order left to right that they were presented. Not that it matters in the end, I just Youtubed the other endings and felt the same. Better, in fact, since someone uploaded the Deus Ex endings and labeled them ME3 endings

 

[Alucrid]

I just beat the game.

Got 3 options,

Kill all synthetic life
Control reapers
Make everyone organic/synthetic lifeforms.

I chose the third one.

I didn't want to kill all synthetics especially after learning about the geth's history and seeing how they helped the Quarians rebuild. I didn't like destroying the mass relays from the option I chose though. Maybe I should have done the control the reapers and just had them leave everyone in peace and still have access to mass relays and what not. Oddly enough it seems that all three of thee ended in me dying no matter what.

Is there a list of all the possible endings yet?

 

[jackdoe]

Hahahaha. I ended up going for a short 5 minute walk. Because I couldn't save and didn't remember where the last save was. I also kept trying to figure out which of them involved me living my life out with the friends that I had gathered in the 3 games...I failed I guess.

That was my exact thought process. The other two options involved Shepard losing his identity so I said "Fuck it" and blew the place up so that I can get a somewhat happy ending.

....... And then my Shepard "died" since I didn't have enough EMS while the Normandy was flying through a Mass Relay for some odd reason that made no sense leaving the crew stranded on some foreign planet.

got the "green" ending.

Joker and EDI came out of the ship, I figure with the synth merging maybe Joker can get laid now

I wish shooting the little kid actually did something, almost everyone I've talked to said that was the first thing they tried

Who comes out of your ship is who you bring along I believe.

 

[GorillaJu]

On my 2nd time I tried shooting the Catalyst, and then tried jumping off from where the elevator brought me up. Neither worked, I was sad .

It would be great if after all Shepard has been through with the years of devotion to her cause, she hears the Catalyst's options and does a "Srsly? seinfeld.gif" and just jumps.