Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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Sorry I'm late to this thread so I'm sure these will likely have been covered but a couple of quick questions regarding Jack and Samara's missions if they died in ME2.

Does Jack just get replaced as a teacher at Grissom Academy if she died? Also does the Ardat-Yakshi monastery mission play out the same if Samara is dead or if Morinth replaced her?

Or do both missions just not take place?

I don't have saves where they died so am just interested to see what happened. Thanks.

I wonder if there is a list with all possible choices and outcomes. I'd love to read through it. Don't much fancy playing through three hefty games when the choices don't mean anything at the end but I'd still like to know the 'what if's
 
I just beat the game.

Got 3 options,

Kill all synthetic life
Control reapers
Make everyone organic/synthetic lifeforms.

I chose the third one.

I didn't want to kill all synthetics especially after learning about the geth's history and seeing how they helped the Quarians rebuild. I didn't like destroying the mass relays from the option I chose though. Maybe I should have done the control the reapers and just had them leave everyone in peace and still have access to mass relays and what not. Oddly enough it seems that all three of thee ended in me dying no matter what.

Is there a list of all the possible endings yet?

Bad news: the mass relays are destroyed no matter what you pick.
 
Whoever thought that first battle in London when you have to take down the AA Reaper was a good idea are real dicks. Bursts of almost blinding light and screen shaking really are annoying as a Sniper Infiltrator. I'm trying to line up my shot you dicks!
 
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I didn't want to kill all synthetics especially after learning about the geth's history and seeing how they helped the Quarians rebuild. I didn't like destroying the mass relays from the option I chose though. Maybe I should have done the control the reapers and just had them leave everyone in peace and still have access to mass relays and what not. Oddly enough it seems that all three of thee ended in me dying no matter what.
Relays blow up regardless of the ending.

Because stuff.
 
How does it lead to ANY post-game DLC? The mass relays are gone. Shepard is gone.

Well obviously the post game DLC will have to wait until they sell us the real ending first. Plus they put us back to before the end game as it is now because of their shitty ending.
 
Whoever thought that first battle in London when you have to take down the AA Reaper was a good idea are real dicks. Bursts of almost blinding light and screen shaking really are annoying as a Sniper Infiltrator. I'm trying to line up my shot you dicks!

So...here is something weird. That was my favorite battle. The unearthlyness of it the light and the shaking made it very real for me. I actually REALLY enjoyed that entire setpeice.

Some real DLC I would like.

Turn on the poker table in the Normandy and let me play poker with the other team members between missions with funny stories being told, also the virtual reality machine as well. Let me choose my own MP3's on my room stereo.

Little things like that I really miss in games. I hate seeing something like a poker table in a home base you can't play at. I would love for the Normandy upgrade kit...but then you would have to figure out that fucked up ending and...ok guess not.

Though I know the one dev said that "Everyone is going to want to hold onto ME3 forever when they find out what DLC they are planning" Shoot who knows. An expansion DLC of the real ending and even more gameplay would be...one way to help this issue. BUt man it would go over like old dried fish in a womans locker-room.
 
I wonder if it's at all possible for some clever and dedicated fan to mod the ending. Like, remove the whole Catalyst bit.

Would probably get banned from Origin though. "NO! You are not allowed to have an ending that makes sense and gives you closure on your choices!"

I also really liked the London AA Reaper battle. I'm a Soldier though and had the Prothean Beam rifle so was pretty much a killing machine. It was intense though.
 
Whoever thought that first battle in London when you have to take down the AA Reaper was a good idea are real dicks. Bursts of almost blinding light and screen shaking really are annoying as a Sniper Infiltrator. I'm trying to line up my shot you dicks!

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this.. I was playing as a run-and-gun soldier, and it was fucking annoying for me too.

Every 30 seconds = blinding light + shaky cam + BLARGHRGHRGHRHGH.

Nearly gave me a damn headache.
 
Relays blow up regardless of the ending.

Because stuff.

This is something I found really odd. Didn't it only state that the relays would explode if I chose the middle option? That's why I chose the right option, also because that's what Anderson would do, but then the relays blow up anyway.
 
How does it lead to ANY post-game DLC? The mass relays are gone. Shepard is gone.

Who knows. But it is being made. Either that or they are talking about ME4 in the BioTweets. Which I highly doubt since ME3 just came out.

I give it four moths for the epilogue DLC.

Well obviously the post game DLC will have to wait until they sell us the real ending first. Plus they put us back to before the end game as it is now because of their shitty ending.

This assumes that there will be a new ending.

Which, in my opinion, would be the End of BioWare, as it would be the Ultimate Pandering. They would have then rewritten an entire portion of their game just because a few players did not enjoy it enough to make a stink about a New Ending.
 
"You can't help me" The kid in the tunnel is where it started to go south for me;)

Then they landed on Planet Badwriting in the WTF solar system.

How about "Why are these Quarians masked?"

"Because they're being created from what you have already stored in your game dis.... errr memories."
 
The synthesis ending reminds me the most of BSG.

I think I hated that ending more than anything. It's probably good as a buffer, because it also helped to prepare me for this kind of disappointment.

What if it were Valve? Aside from the obvious, that Valve is incapable of making such a heinous, emotionally abusive slap in the face to their fans.

The relationship between developer and fan base is important. Even a soulless giant like EA has to recognize this.
Valve's slap to the face of their fans is being delayed.

WALL-O-TEXT

This is another reason the Catalyst ending was so terrible, there was no conversation and back and forth on the issues, we're told a bunch of stuff completely out of left field and without any discussion are forced to make a dramatic decision we barely understand the ramification of, let alone the rational behind.
I thought you were just referring to the human-shaped Reaper plan.

But, I agree, the Reapers as a whole are an underwhelming lot.

It's been said before. For a game all about choices, you were only presented lasting sorrow.
 
I'm thinking to myself that Bioware may not be able to make another full fledged ME game due to the outcry alone. Except for a very small minority, most of us agree the endings are a letdown. I'd imagine you will see this game in the Guiness World Records 2012/2013 Gamer's Edition as having the most Controversial Ending In A Video Game.

Well, we can certainly give them that. They won that award.
 
While it was a pretty shitty ending, it's obviously going to lead in to the post-game DLC. I don't see how we can say what is what until that stuff comes out.

I don't get that strategy though. Leave us all pissed off, and then ask for more money? It seems counter intuitive.

I'm thinking to myself that Bioware may not be able to make another full fledged ME game due to the outcry alone. Except for a very small minority, most of us agree the endings are a letdown. I'd imagine you will see this game in the Guiness World Records 2012/2013 Gamer's Edition as having the most Controversial Ending In A Video Game.

Well, we can certainly give them that. They won that award.

I think they're up to..what..4 million sold? (it seems like G4 said something along those lines while I was watching Ninja Warrior). They'll make another one.
 
Well, at least in the final assault to take Earth one ship learned how to dodge reaper lasers. It even dodge TWO lasers in a row. PROGRESS!
 
I have a 2 questions bout the ending....1st the sequence where you are running towards the beam and the Reaper shoots at you. The team that you take with you will they die during that sequence? Since they said no one made it..... Also the ending is confusing as hell to me. It doesn't make sense. I have over 5000 EMS with 89% GR. Do I get a different ending if I go 100% and would that one make more sense?!
 
I don't get that strategy though. Leave us all pissed off, and then ask for more money? It seems counter intuitive.

It would be nothing new for DLC. It's the same as Arrival, Witch Hunt, and Shadow Broker.

And ME4 is almost a given. They knew by ME2 that they would be fools to end the franchise at 3. It's just like Assassin's Creed. I don't see BioProper doing it, though. Maybe they'd give it to Montreal or Austin.
 
Who knows. But it is being made. Either that or they are talking about ME4 in the BioTweets. Which I highly doubt since ME3 just came out.

I give it four moths for the epilogue DLC.



This assumes that there will be a new ending.

Which, in my opinion, would be the End of BioWare, as it would be the Ultimate Pandering. They would have then rewritten an entire portion of their game just because a few players did not enjoy it enough to make a stink about a New Ending.

Pretty sure it's more than that, mate. I know this thread and the BSN aren't exactly great samples to draw from, but there is a LOT of negativity floating around the internet right now. Some polls and Facebook pages dedicated to getting a response from BioWare have already surpassed 20,000 votes. That's less than a week from release.
 
So, wow. Didn't think it was possible to have a worse ending than Mass Effect 2, but they accomplished it.

I fucking LOVED everything but those last five minutes after the Crucible is attached (well... maybe not the kid and Kai Leng, who is still the shittiest character in the series).

But seriously? I mean, Bioware, if for nothing else than the sake of your fucking FRANCHISE, why the fuck did you do that?

I know it would be cliche, I know it would be whatever... but just give me my stupid ending where Shepard kills the Reapers, and the galaxy celebrates. Shepard can even die, since that makes a lot of thematic sense!

This metaphysical nonsense has no place in this. And now you basically just destroyed your entire franchise's universe. What the hell are they supposed to do with Mass Effect 4?

Gah.

Still a much better game than ME2. For me it's ME1 >> ME3 >>>>> ME2.
 
Removed avatar in protest hahahahahaha.

As for DLC. I would also love to have some side stories. Tell the viewpoints of Garrus, and others when Shepard isn't around. There are some great stories for all the characters.
 
I wonder if there is a list with all possible choices and outcomes. I'd love to read through it. Don't much fancy playing through three hefty games when the choices don't mean anything at the end but I'd still like to know the 'what if's

I'm sure we'll get one eventually. Someone's bound to do it.

It's a shame all the endings were so unsatisfying. I must have played through 2 at least 5 times to see what the changes mission to mission would be but I can't see me doing that for this one at all. Ultimately it doesn't feel like all that much you do matters.
 
Pretty sure it's more than that, mate. I know this thread and the BSN aren't exactly great samples to draw from, but there is a LOT of negativity floating around the internet right now. Some polls and Facebook pages dedicated to getting a response from BioWare have already surpassed 20,000 votes. That's less than a week from release.

Across 3 polls it was nearing 30,000 last I heard but even at 20,000 that is insane.. Also if you look at the official threads, so many 500+ page threads there its crazy. At the minimum the mods have an escalation so I am sure they are hearing about it. But I will check later. Honestly thats a lot of fucking hate.
 
So, wow. Didn't think it was possible to have a worse ending than Mass Effect 2, but they accomplished it.

I fucking LOVED everything but those last five minutes (well... maybe not the kid and Kai Leng, who is still the shittiest character in the series).

But seriously? I mean, Bioware, if for nothing else than the sake of your fucking FRANCHISE, why the fuck did you do that?

I know it would be cliche, I know it would be whatever... but just give me my stupid ending where Shepard kills the Reapers, and the galaxy celebrates. Shepard can even die, since that makes a lot of thematic sense!

This metaphysical nonsense has no place in this.

Gah.

Still a much better game than ME2. For me it's ME1 >> ME3 >>>>> ME2.

DLC where Shepard time travels and gives Shepard the key to defeating the reaper so that he can go on to bang Tali/Ashley/Liara/Miranda
 
It's a shame all the endings were so unsatisfying. I must have played through 2 at least 5 times to see what the changes mission to mission would be but I can't see me doing that for this one at all. Ultimately it doesn't feel like all that much you do matters.

Yup, and in a series built around the notion that your choices do matter it's even more disappointing.

Hell, I'd be happier if we got a Dragon Age style epilogue with text boxes telling us about what happens to some of the more important characters and races and how they are dealing with what happened.
 
Some polls and Facebook pages dedicated to getting a response from BioWare have already surpassed 20,000 votes. That's less than a week from release.

Again, I state that it would be the End of BioWare if they went as far as to pander on that level.

Acting like I'm somehow dismissing that people hate the ending by simply writing 'a few players' is lame.

I get that people don't like the ending.

I, myself, think parts of it are equally good and bad. But that ultimately it didn't work.

I'm not talking about whether or not people liked it, though.

What does it say about video games as an art medium if something as common as the audience not liking it will get substantial portions of it changed?
 
Exactly. I stood there (well, my Shep did) just staring at the 3 options like;

'No... really? I have to fucking choose one of these 3? What were the options again? Did he says the relays would be destroyed for X? Or was it Y? Which is the paragon ending? Fuck it, I'm going for the middle one... it looks cool.'

It wasn't cool :/

It was mint flavoured.
 
Yup, and in a series built around the notion that your choices do matter it's even more disappointing.

Hell, I'd be happier if we got a Dragon Age style epilogue with text boxes telling us about what happens to some of the more important characters and races and how they are dealing with what happened.

Hell ya, since I took so much time too get them to work together.
 
It was mint flavoured.

...I have to admit, all that green DID make me (briefly) think of Mentos.

New ending idea:
Shepard is Mentos.


Hell, I'd be happier if we got a Dragon Age style epilogue with text boxes telling us about what happens to some of the more important characters and races and how they are dealing with what happened.

Yeah, I just want some answers.

I'll even take the bullshit ending we've got right now if they'd explain what happened to everyone else.
 
So, wow. Didn't think it was possible to have a worse ending than Mass Effect 2, but they accomplished it.

I fucking LOVED everything but those last five minutes after the Crucible is attached (well... maybe not the kid and Kai Leng, who is still the shittiest character in the series).

But seriously? I mean, Bioware, if for nothing else than the sake of your fucking FRANCHISE, why the fuck did you do that?

I know it would be cliche, I know it would be whatever... but just give me my stupid ending where Shepard kills the Reapers, and the galaxy celebrates. Shepard can even die, since that makes a lot of thematic sense!

This metaphysical nonsense has no place in this. And now you basically just destroyed your entire franchise's universe. What the hell are they supposed to do with Mass Effect 4?

Gah.

Still a much better game than ME2. For me it's ME1 >> ME3 >>>>> ME2.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with philosophical implications or considerations. In fact I'd be disappointed if they were absent.

But they have to make sense, they have to tie into the game and they can't just come from left field with no prior warning at all.
 
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If the deal with the catalyst hologram was due to Shepard's personal thoughts, why not use Anderson's form? Hell, wouldn't Anderson have also worked better in the dream, considering Shep was supposedly guilty about leaving him on earth?
 
This metaphysical nonsense has no place in this. And now you basically just destroyed your entire franchise's universe. What the hell are they supposed to do with Mass Effect 4?
What metaphysical nonsense?

I'm still confused by that. None of these options had any metaphysical traits. I suppose if you wanted to enhance everyone with the synthesis version, then you could . . . see that as a metaphysical state of being for Shepard.

If the deal with the catalyst hologram was due to Shepard's personal thoughts, why not use Anderson's form? Hell, wouldn't Anderson have also worked better in the dream, considering Shep was supposedly guilty about leaving him on earth?
I would have honestly loved to see the V.I. from the Citadel (yourself) as the V.I. who talks to you at the end.
 
Why would it be the end?

Because it would set a horrible precedent for games as a storytelling device for them as a company, and possibly for the industry.

Something that like does not interest me and it would be a huge reason for me to stop buying their games.
 
If the deal with the catalyst hologram was due to Shepard's personal thoughts, why not use Anderson's form? Hell, wouldn't Anderson have also worked better in the dream, considering Shep was supposedly guilty about leaving him on earth?

It should have been Harbinger and it should have been hostile to Shepard. Instead of "I created the Reapers to control the cycle of organics and synthetics that has worked for millenniums, but since you're here, this is how you destroy/control/something the Reapers"
 
Because it would set a horrible precedent for games as a storytelling device for them as a company, and possibly for the industry.

Something that like does not interest me and it would be a huge reason for me to stop buying their games.

Forcing them to stop their shitty and lazy writing is a bad precedent? THAT would get you to stop buying their games? Not all of the other bullshit EA and them pull?
 
ME 3's endings have brought me back to 2008 and MGS 4's ending.

Except ME 3's ending is even worse.

I didn't mind MGS4's ending. Then again I probably wasn't as invested in the series (I do enjoy them very much though). I just found it so fucking insane and crazy that I just switched off and went with it.

ME3's ending though...
 
I don't know, lately I've been thinking about GOTY votes and such.

I enjoyed ME3 more than anything from the past year without a question, but the ending changes everything, now, I don't know if I could vote for it as GOTY, on the other hand it doesn't seem fair to negate all the good just because of the ending.

It will be a tough call for me unless something amazing is released.

Should I focus on the amazing dinner or the shitty dessert? (analogy taken from here :P).
 
Finished the game today... Maybe it was expectations (I expected the worst after all the talk about how awful it was), but I didn't find the ending too bad. Eh. Whatever. I've always said that Mass Effect is about the journey and not the destination. Great game nonetheless.
 
It should have been Harbinger and it should have been hostile to Shepard. Instead of "I created the Reapers to control the cycle of organics and synthetics that has worked for millenniums, but since you're here, this is how you destroy/control/something the Reapers"

WOWFUCK. Mind is blown. That is true and...damn.
 
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