Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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Tess3ract said:
Did you guys read this yet?

http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/

It goes and explains EXACTLY why the ending sucks. It's a very good article!
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Fucking NAILS it, especially the relay stuff that drove me craziest. Having all endings destroying the relays just ruins the ME universe in such profound ways it makes all 3 endings extremely "bad" to me.

Reminds me of an Allistair Reynolds novel (or was it Asher) where the ending strands everyone on a random world as their galaxy traveling tech is destroyed. But the book portrays it as a huge sacrifice and considers the ramifications, whereas ME3 just ignores it.

But even if we assume that this time, the Mass Relay Network’s destruction was a completely different kind of explosion that didn’t wipe out hundreds of star systems, (that players are forced to fill in blanks like this is another point of contention, incidentally), even a relatively benign end to the Galaxy’s most critical technology suggests a terrible outcome: Everyone in the galaxy is stranded where they happened to be at that moment, including thousands of ships and millions of alien races now orbiting a ruined Earth.

It’s safe to assume that the fleets who travelled to Earth for the final Reaper battle were stocked with supplies, but with the Mass Relay network knocked out, they’re all basically stuck there. That ending’s not just bleak — it implies outright extinction. While the galactic races have access to faster-than-light travel, the relay network is what made moving about the galaxy possible. Even conventional faster-than-light travel means decades before any of those ships makes it home, or even to another star system. It’s more than safe to assume no one, not the Quarians, not the Turians, not the krogan, Asari or Salarian, no one is going see home again.

Unfortunately, the burned husk of Earth certainly can’t support the combined military forces of the galaxy. And remember folks, Turians and Quarians can’t eat human food anyway. The assumption then has to be that everyone scrambles to find a colony to support them, and/or they all die. In all likelihood — faced with starvation, the krogan slowly eat everybody.
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Lol, and, YES EXACTLY.
 
Let me in said:
One of the things that bothers me about the ending is the seeming contradiction of the Geth-Quarian peace and the Reapers' assertion that organics and synthetics will never achieve peace. I suppose that implies the the peace is tentative. But such is the case with all sentient life, whether organic or synthetic. They mean to say that synthetics will always win against organics, but clearly it doesn't always go that way (i.e. if the Quarians win against Geth). If the Geth-Quarian conflict is meant to represent a microcosm of the larger Synthetic-Organic conflict and the possibilities therein, then what the catalyst says makes little sense.

And I don't think they sufficiently explained why the use of the crucible resulted, in all scenarios, in the destruction of the mass relays.
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Right; why couldn't Shepard say something to the star kid abou the Quarian-Geth conflict being resolved? Legion being the way he was or EDI?
 
Ryaaan14 said:
See this is where I feel like I don't understand. Are people upset because they didn't get a little custom-built trip down memory lane?
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I don't want to see Krogan babies or Tali building a house on Rannoch, leaving all that to imagination is preferable. I even actually like the overall feel of the ending and the ideas it represents. What was disappointing to me is that we aren't given a chance to imagine what our decisions might mean for the galaxy once the game is over - the mass relays are destroyed, ending interstellar travel with many stranded in the Sol system. Galactic civilization is, for all intents and purposes, over.

It's technically a sacrifice for the player and definitely an ending, but one with a clean slate fail safe that comes out of nowhere and I don't think the story is any better or more affecting because of it.
 
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Wow. I didn't think there'd be anything more shameless than the DLC message from Final Fantasy XIII-2's Serendipity stage. But I was wrong obviously.
 
Very curious how BioWare is feeling about the fundraiser. I imagine it's nowhere in between thrilled or devastated.

Did Bethesda address the issue before Broken Steel, or was it just a surprise?
 
Ryaaan14 said:
Very curious how BioWare is feeling about the fundraiser. I imagine it's nowhere in between thrilled or devastated.

Did Bethesda address the issue before Broken Steel, or was it just a surprise?
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Broken Steel wasn't that controversial. It actually wrapped up the games story nicely, for the most part. However, people were upset that they couldn't continue playing their character and explore the world.
 
calder said:
Fucking NAILS it, especially the relay stuff that drove me craziest. Having all endings destroying the relays just ruins the ME universe in such profound ways it makes all 3 endings extremely "bad" to me.

Reminds me of an Allistair Reynolds novel (or was it Asher) where the ending strands everyone on a random world as their galaxy traveling tech is destroyed. But the book portrays it as a huge sacrifice and considers the ramifications, whereas ME3 just ignores it.


Lol, and, YES EXACTLY.
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I was wondering about that when playing the last part of the game. " So...with no relays, is everyone stuck on Earth? Does Tali not get to go home after all?"
 
Just finished listening to the Mass Effect 3 edition of the Giantbombcast in which they interviewed Casey Hudson. He said that any future DLC would not affect or be part of the core storyline in any way as they wrapped up all the lose ends and presented the player with a full story in the final product. I almost smashed my ipod.
 
Last Hearth said:
DLC with extended ending pretty much confirmed.


You know that iOS app that sends you updates and texts from the games' characters as you proceed throughout the game.

You get sent this message from you LI after you beat it.

http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb390/becspics03/photo.png
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Wait is this after the destroy ending or something?

Shepard only lives in that one.

This seems pretty fishy by the way.

Conflict NZ said:
Just finished listening to the Mass Effect 3 edition of the Giantbombcast in which they interviewed Casey Hudson. He said that any future DLC would not affect or be part of the core storyline in any way as they wrapped up all the lose ends and presented the player with a full story in the final product. I almost smashed my ipod.
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Well yeah.. people are asking for them to reconsider.
 
Uriah said:
Broken Steel wasn't that controversial. It actually wrapped up the games story nicely, for the most part. However, people were upset that they couldn't continue playing their character and explore the world.
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So the only real issue was about continuing the game, and not the ending content of the game itself?
 
MechaX said:
Well, look on the bright side, guys.

Dragon Age 3's ending can't possibly be worse!
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Well, they've acknowledge some of the issues with DA2 and maybe now ME3, but I don't know if they would be able to make a suitable ending.

Plus, it's going to be a new character and stuff, so I'm a little interested. :/

Last Hearth said:
DLC with extended ending pretty much confirmed.


You know that iOS app that sends you updates and texts from the games' characters as you proceed throughout the game.

You get sent this message from you LI after you beat it.

http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/...cs03/photo.png
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Skipper? Let you visit? Oh gods no.
 
Conflict NZ said:
Just finished listening to the Mass Effect 3 edition of the Giantbombcast in which they interviewed Casey Hudson. He said that any future DLC would not affect or be part of the core storyline in any way as they wrapped up all the lose ends and presented the player with a full story in the final product. I almost smashed my ipod.
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Good thing it was a podcast or else you'd see Casey's face was actually this:
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Joker probably won't last a week on that planet. A guy with brittle bones that is dependent on technology for his health is thrown into a world without technology. I guess James can carry him around and shout "HODOR!"
 
Ryaaan14 said:
So the only real issue was about continuing the game, and not the ending content of the game itself?
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The ending of Fallout 3 was pretty damn terrible, especially if you were with certain companions who could easily resolve the situation.


I wonder if they will do anything with the space time capsule Liara made.
 
Conflict NZ said:
Just finished listening to the Mass Effect 3 edition of the Giantbombcast in which they interviewed Casey Hudson. He said that any future DLC would not affect or be part of the core storyline in any way as they wrapped up all the lose ends and presented the player with a full story in the final product. I almost smashed my ipod.
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It's a good thing we just caught him telling a flat out lie already earlier in this thread.
 
Conflict NZ said:
Just finished listening to the Mass Effect 3 edition of the Giantbombcast in which they interviewed Casey Hudson. He said that any future DLC would not affect or be part of the core storyline in any way as they wrapped up all the lose ends and presented the player with a full story in the final product. I almost smashed my ipod.
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Great, so what the fuck is the point of the DLC? Every race was taken care of and addressed; if it isn't dealing with after the ending it is pointless.
 
Patryn said:
I'd be totally happy with a bittersweet or ambigious ending if it's handled right. As I've said before, all you have to do is cut out the elevator of light and everything to do with the kid, actually have the Crucible destroy the Reapers, and end just after Anderson dies next to Shepard, with Shepard looking at his bloody hand, with the silhouette of them looking out at Earth.

I mean, all you'd need to do is throw in some shots of how your fleet/squadmates are doing based on what your EMS score is and it's a good ending. It also leaves it up to the player to decide if Shepard lived or died.

Bonus points if you had the Sun emerge up behind the Earth in such a way that it creates the swoosh so it could end on a Mass Effect logo.
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Add in a funeral for Anderson and maybe Shepard (depending on EMS), with whatever allies you gathered and their interactions before zooming out to a view of Earth with the emerging Sun, ending with the logo. That would be perfect. No need to give out entire life histories of the your squadmates' futures. Just a glimpse at hope for a better future that makes sense.
 
Conflict NZ said:
Just finished listening to the Mass Effect 3 edition of the Giantbombcast in which they interviewed Casey Hudson. He said that any future DLC would not affect or be part of the core storyline in any way as they wrapped up all the lose ends and presented the player with a full story in the final product. I almost smashed my ipod.
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Not like he's full of shit 24/7..
 
Karak said:
Wait...what? Really?
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When I checked my datapad thing (earlier today, first downloaded it today) I had a bunch of messages from different characters and I honestly didn't know what order they were in even by sorting the date. Is arrow down newest to oldest?

I think the most recent one I was was drunk Tali.
 
Zomba13 said:
When I checked my datapad thing (earlier today, first downloaded it today) I had a bunch of messages from different characters and I honestly didn't know what order they were in even by sorting the date. Is arrow down newest to oldest?

I think the most recent one I was was drunk Tali.
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Yeah, sounds like that took place earlier in the story.
 
PsychoWARD23 said:
If anyone is wondering why I hate the ending, Jeremy Jahns sums it up perfectly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_A7SeawU4
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Personally, I agree that the entire "mass relays blow up" thing really threw me for a loop. I was just thinking "Wait, we brought the fleets of every species here? Well how in the fuck are they getting back to their systems?" and Shepard never brings it up. Shepard doesn't even bat an eye and Bioware just expected us to not really think about it.

My God, it's FO3's "Hey Fawkes, go into this super radioactive room and flip this switch... Wait, you WON'T?!" all over again.
 
Zomba13 said:
When I checked my datapad thing (earlier today, first downloaded it today) I had a bunch of messages from different characters and I honestly didn't know what order they were in even by sorting the date. Is arrow down newest to oldest?

I think the most recent one I was was drunk Tali.
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Ok well...that is her visiting you. So it sounds like a hospital or something. But that does NOT fit with anything in ME3 I had happen or even make sense. So that's seems legit. Hang in there? She was the one hurt not you, she never visits you in any condition that causes that. That seems odd.
 
Riposte said:
The ending of Fallout 3 was pretty damn terrible, especially if you were with certain companions who could easily resolve the situation.


I wonder if they will do anything with the space time capsule Liara made.
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I see. I have FO3 but tbh I never finished it lol

And the capsule from Liara would seem more like a seed for a new trilogy rather than DLC.
 
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