Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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That's the thing. How can they talk about "definitive and satisfying endings" in the PR knowing that the decision was made to go for ambiguous and "speculations" endings.
 
Trey said:
How is "Speculations" reaching meme-level?
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Why don't you take a moment and speculate on it.
teh_pwn said:
The only way this game is art is if it's an analogy. The reapers are EA and Shepard is Bioware. EA must destroy all developed game studies...because.

1. Integrate with EA so it won't destroy you.
2. Destroy EA
3. Control EA.

Looks like Bioware went with option 2, the red ending.
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Last Hearth said:
That's the thing. How can they talk about "definitive and satisfying endings" in the PR knowing that the decision was made to go for ambiguous and "speculations" endings.
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Just liked they talked about 16 different endings and not having A,B, or C end-game choices. PR speak.
 
rvy said:
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I asked for this pages ago :D
 
SpectreFire said:
I disagree. If you listen to Jeff Gertsman's critique of the game in this week's Giantbombcast, he makes it seem clear that there are a lot of just bad design choices in the game, the Prothean DLC for example, that make it very obvious that profit and pantering to a wider audience was a big deal to Bioware/EA. He said that the documentation that came with all the review copies, specifically asked reviewers to frame their reviews from the perspective of a player new to the entire series. They even mentioned that the save import feature was just a "bonus", but not something that was important to the game.

Bioware/EA's priorities in this game was to sell it to a very wide audience. Why's why James was introduced, that's why a lot of the story elements weren't as deep as they should've been. The 18 month development time didn't help either. It also explains why multiplayer was added. No one of serie's fans would've mind at all if multiplayer wasn't included, but when you're trying to sell to a wider audience, you have to include that feature to get more of them to buy in. That time and budget spent on multiplayer development could've helped improved more of the singleplayer game. It probably wouldn't have garnered more total profit, but it would've made it a better game.
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Right, and most of these issues are subjective. Some people like the multiplayer and have no problem with it, and regardless of the state it ended up in, plenty of fans absolutely loved Mass Effect 3 right up until the last five minutes. If we were talking about a clearly rushed, incomplete and fumbled product like Dragon Age 2 then we'd have a fair case, but we do not. Some people feel that way but it is not a unanimously agreed opinion among the entire fan base.

You even see it here, plenty of people (I'd even say most) thoroughly enjoying the game up until that point, including people who were unimpressed with ME1. Most of this backlash boils down to the ending which I'm not going to blame EA for, when it is a writing problem at BioWare.
 
mxgt said:
Keighley is a hero for shutting down the whole indoctrination theory bullshit once and for all
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Yes, thank the goddess for that. Mac Walters & Co. would probably think an escapist rationalization of a shitty ending is the same as "speculation", and thus thought he was digital gaming's James Joyce thanks to the Indoctrination theory.
 
Figured the dark energy issue was the actual reason (particularly after Tali's mission in ME2). Too much rampant use of ME fields etc. Space pollution.

bleh.

Lyphen said:
Wait, so without the Dark Energy ending, what was the human reaper for?
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Just to increase the number of Reaper ships. Pretty simple and boring.
 
Gold:

From the ME subreddit

Star Wars:

Luke is at the final battle on the 2nd Death Star. His dying father, Vader, tells him he can;

A. Take control of the Death Star, die, and save everyone, but all faster than light travel is destroyed and everyone is stranded on Endor except the Millenium Falcon which miraculously managed to pick up Han and Leia and crash lands on an unknown planet.

B. Destroy the Death Star, die (or maybe live), but all Wookies and droids die and faster than light travel is destroyed and everyone is stranded on Endor except the Millenium Falcon which miraculously managed to pick up Han and Leia and crash lands on an unknown planet. .

C. Merge the light side and dark side of the force into a super force, die, and faster than light travel is destroyed and everyone is stranded on Endor except the Millenium Falcon which miraculously managed to pick up Han and Leia and crash lands on an unknown planet.

Lord of the Rings:
Frodo gets to Mount Doom and is faced with Gollum who tells him...
A. You can throw the ring in, destroying Sauron and the orcs and for some reason the dwarves, but the volcano will explode stranding the armies of Middle Earth in Mordor except the fellowship which will find itself somehow marroned on an island in the great seas, and you might survive.

B. You can put the ring on, controling Sauron and saving Middle Earth, but you will die, and the volcano will explode stranding the armies of Middle Earth in Mordor except the fellowship which will find itself somehow marroned on an island in the great seas.

C. You can put the ring on and jump into the volcano, fusing the forces of Middle Earth with those of Mordor creating a new hybrind orc/human/elf/dwarf/hobbit race, but you die, and the volcano will explode stranding the armies of Middle Earth in Mordor except the fellowship which will find itself somehow marroned on an island in the great seas.

Harry Potter:
Harry is faced with his final battle with Voldemort when the ghost of Albus Dumbledore appears (oh wait... that kind of happens... but continuing) and tells him;

A. You can kill Voldemort saving the wizarding world and you may survive, but magic is forever destroyed and everyone will be stranded at Hogwarts which will become completely isolated from the rest of the world, all the house elves will die, and the Weasley family will become stranded on Madagascar with no way off the island... ever.

B. You can control Voldemort, putting an end to the death eaters, but you will die, and magic is forever destroyed and everyone will be stranded at Hogwarts which will become completely isolated from the rest of the world, and the Weasley family will become stranded on Madagascar with no way off the island... ever.

C. You can merge with Voldemort, making a harmony of dark and light magic and creating everlasting peace, but you will die, and magic is forever destroyed and everyone will be stranded at Hogwarts which will become completely isolated from the rest of the world, and the Weasley family will become stranded on Madagascar with no way off the island... ever.
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Regarding: Dark Energy

Link a page or so back indicates the Human Reaper was really just a humans are special kind of thing. Like we can't beat the dark energy, but somehow human genetic diversity when ground up into a fine paste and pressed into a shiny reaper ship will find the answer.

To me it seems like you know, the genetic diversity of an entire race of billions, all working on a problem, combined with the diversity of all other alien races would be a better way to tackle that problem, but what the fuck do I know.

Maybe if humanity became a "sovereign" of connected programs like the Geth that processing power might find an answer to the problem?
 
AlStrong said:
Figured the dark energy issue was the actual reason (particularly after Tali's mission in ME2). Too much rampant use of ME fields etc. Space pollution.

bleh.



Just to increase the number of Reaper ships. Pretty simple and boring.
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Reapers destroy species capable of galactic travel stopping galactic travel giving the universe time to restore damage until next cycle.

Would have been fine with that ending.
 
First off a question: What were the endings like in the leaked script

2nd: Just loving the hate and speculation around the ending. Read the "Indoctrination Theory" which seems like complete bollocks to me because it's simply unnecessary, if Shepard is really lying under a bunch of rubble in London. Why trick him with a "Savior Dream" if he's as good as dead anyway?

I wonder why the lack of choice bothered so many in the ending. What should be more bothering is the lack of repercussions in the game. Played Paragon all the way, let the scum of the universe run away and spared every life with the line "He's not worth it.."
Repercussions: None. Not a single "good" decision bites one in the ass. Yeah the rewritten Geth joined the Reaper, but that could be rectified by a single mission in which I couldn't even die (wonder why nobody posted anything about the ridiculous "Enter the Server-Matrix" mission). And that giant human reaper baby in ME 2 ... still shaking my head about that one. For me Mass Effect 1 had the only consistent story with a real villain a greater threat behind that villian and a great ending that still left room for a sequel without leaving a bad taste in your mouth.

It's not the ending that's a mess, it's the whole story.
 
EatChildren said:
In the case of Mass Effect 3 I feel the deflection to EA is seriously misguided. ME3's ending problems are directed tied to shit writing which, regardless of time and resource pressure, appear to be a consequence of the person(s) behind said writing.

I think if Mass Effect 3 ended in way that made it clear DLC would expand the climax then I'd agree, but I don't believe that to the case. They seem to genuinely believe their apparent speculation encouraging ending is what fans would like, and the perfect note for the series to end on in order for it to be memorable in a good way.



Thank you for that.
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Yeah, this is not a case of EA ruining Bioware, Its just Bioware messing up badly. Damaging your brand does not make good business sense. If the indoc stuff had turned out to be true I could have maybe believed it was EA trying to gauge more money with "real ending" DLC, but not anymore.
 
ironcreed said:
It is beyond both hilarious and pathetic at the same time. You mean to tell me that in all these years the art team did not have some conceptions to work with or could not come up with some kind of design for her? Truly baffling.

Anyway, check out this video. It is true, but funny because of how sad it was made by someone who apparently had Tali as a romance, lol. But it does have a great shot of the shop job on the stock photo and compares it with some of the many fan pieces we have seen. I have watched it a few times just to laugh at the fact they actually resorted to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAL9J-Ha8aE
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ROFL @ photoshopping out two fingers. Didn't even notice that in the game, though I wasn't really looking at it too carefully. Was too busy laughing my ass off.

I also found it odd that you get this nice moment with Liara at the end regardless of whether or not you romanced her in ME3 (unless it was due to romancing her in ME1), but nothing much with Tali if that was your romantic partner in 3. Not to mention that Liara appears in your memories when you make the final choice, though no Tali.
 
Dilly said:
Reapers destroy species capable of galactic travel stopping galactic travel giving the universe time to restore damage until next cycle.

Would have been fine with that ending.
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Yep. I was "bleh"ing the rewrite "due to the leak" and what we got. They should have stuck to their guns. How many people would have seen the leak anyway. I should have made that clear. :p
 
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