Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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So I just completed it. It's pretty much the worst game in the trilogy isn't it. I remember back when Mass Effect was more like Star Wars and less like... The Killing Fields or something.
 
I don't particularly care if Bioware changes the ending or not. Like the Star Wars prequels or Indiana Jones 4 did to their respective series, the Mass Effect spell has been broken for me...whatever happens from now on is just sort of irrelevant.
 
Yeah you need 3000 EMS to get the red, green or blue options. If you get lower than 3000 you just get access to the red and blue option. At 4,000 you get red, green, blue and a half arsed shep breathing scene IF you saved the collector base. If you destroyed the collector base you need to get an EMS of 5000 to see Shepard breathing.

One thing that has amazed me about all this is the nastiness of the gaming press towards those that hate the endings. I really cannot understand where the gaming press are coming from, in nearly all polls 80-90% hate the endings in Mass Effect 3, there is no "split" here. The endings are bloody awful, even if you aren't a long time fan the quality and substance of the endings is appalling. It is kinda sad to see outlets like Forbes (that know squat about gaming) actually being on the End haters sides.
Seriously Jim Sterlings response was cringe worthy.
 
I would say it's the worst ending of all 3 games. I also enjoyed 2 more because of better pacing and the fact that there were still hub worlds that you could walk around. I got tired of just the citadel in ME3.
 
Someone told me a weird theory today that maybe Liara is carrying Shep's baby, regardless of which sex Shep you played. Not the best theory and I can't remember his details...
 
I probably would have rolled a Male Shep at one point if Meer's acting wasn't so sleep-inducingly bland. Hale is not perfect, but I feel that she pulls off more lines than she flubs (especially on the Paragon side of things). ME1 Meer is just... ugh.
 
Seriously Jim Sterlings response was cringe worthy.
I'm starting to think a lot of these gaming journalist are not really gamers at all. They keep spitting out these blatant lies like people are crying about the end because it's not a happy ending. Clearly the outrage goes much deeper than that, but these journalist insist on painting this picture of the whiny gamer who wants a sweet ending. It almost feels like these guys are mostly hired guns for these big game companies. They utilize them to influence the weak minded and suppress anyone who has any complaints about the latest so called AAA games.
 
I just completed the game.

Ummmmm..... So.... I chose the "control reaper" option, i'm going to go watch the other endings on youtube to see if I chose the bum ending

edit: oh wait, post credit video..... Let's see if anything cool


fake edit: no, that were donkey balls to. In fact I half expected the kids to say "what are medi-chlorians"
 
I'm starting to think a lot of these gaming journalist are not really gamers at all. They keep spitting out these blatant lies like people are crying about the end because it's not a happy ending. Clearly the outrage goes much deeper than that, but these journalist insist on painting this picture of the whiny gamer who wants a sweet ending. It almost feels like these guys are mostly hired guns for these big game companies. They utilize them to influence the weak minded and suppress anyone who has any complaints about the latest so called AAA games.
Game Journalists have been and always are the biggest fanboys/mouth pieces for video games. It's really insipid.

Sterling takes it to the next level by trolling people on purposes in order to get hits and ad dollars.
 
Someone told me a weird theory today that maybe Liara is carrying Shep's baby, regardless of which sex Shep you played. Not the best theory and I can't remember his details...
Yes, this is absolutely cannon for my MALE Shep. I romanced her from ME1 and did not touch anyone else. It is only fitting that her and Christian Shepard have children. They even talked about it in my play through. They even had sex before the final battle where my shep died (just like in Braveheart).
 
Well, there is an Illusive Man interrupt at the end that matters if you can't convince him to shoot himself.
If you don't successfully interrupt him, he shoots you, and you have to start that entire citadel scene all over again.
That, and one or two other spots, is why I said '95%'.

I think there are, like, three instances in the series where the outcome is meaningful if you fail to hit an interrupt: usually it's just a case of rewarding the player for watching a cutscene attentively by granting them another cutscene. And more often than not there are complementary red and blue options so the outcomes are virtually indistinguishable in mechanical terms. Most of the ones in ME3 just seem to be a pointless pat on the back, and yet another opportunity for Bioware to push meaningless numbers to the screen (see also: reputation, experience, and very nearly credits, which in ME3 are the single most devalued currency I've ever encountered in a videogame). Now, I'm sure these numbers plug into some system somewhere, but are utterly without context and so useless for the player. I get that I am being more Paragon-y on balance, and that over time making consistent decisions in this regard will enable me to make other, similar, decisions more efficiently, but that's the whole of my understanding.

"Numbers appeared! I'm roleplaying, ma! See, these bars are filling, that's how you can tell!"

In the Mass Effect games, plot structure is transparent and mechanics opaque. That's literally the exact opposite of what a role-playing game should be.
 
I'm starting to think a lot of these gaming journalist are not really gamers at all. They keep spitting out these blatant lies like people are crying about the end because it's not a happy ending. Clearly the outrage goes much deeper than that, but these journalist insist on painting this picture of the whiny gamer who wants a sweet ending. It almost feels like these guys are mostly hired guns for these big game companies. They utilize them to influence the weak minded and suppress anyone who has any complaints about the latest so called AAA games.
A lot of them are not what I consider a gamer. Yes thy play them, but their constant trolling of the gamers themselves distances them from what I consider a video game fan. Like some kind of sick hybrid.
 
That, and one or two other spots, is why I said '95%'.

I think there are, like, three instances in the series where the outcome is meaningful if you fail to hit an interrupt: usually it's just a case of rewarding the player for watching a cutscene attentively by granting them another cutscene. And more often than not there are complementary red and blue options so the outcomes are virtually indistinguishable in mechanical terms. Most of the ones in ME3 just seem to be a pointless pat on the back, and yet another opportunity for Bioware to push meaningless numbers to the screen (see also: reputation, experience, and very nearly credits, which in ME3 are the single most devalued currency I've ever encountered in a videogame). Now, I'm sure these numbers plug into some system somewhere, but are utterly without context and so useless for the player. I get that I am being more Paragon-y on balance, and that over time making consistent decisions in this regard will enable me to make other, similar, decisions more efficiently, but that's the whole of my understanding.

"Numbers appeared! I'm roleplaying, ma! See, these bars are filling, that's how you can tell!"

In the Mass Effect games, plot structure is transparent and mechanics opaque. That's literally the exact opposite of what a role-playing game should be.

+5 to Paragon.
 
It's an excellent game with a bad ending.

Just can't agree with that.

- WAY inferior main cast compared to 2 (I'm refering principally to squadmates here).
- Precious little exploration. One hub world... really?!
- Overly depressing story. I think in Bioware's bid to be as epic as possible and have EVERYTHING AT STAKE, they ended up with a tone that was inappropriately downbeat for the Mass Effect series.
- More than ever, the different choices are superficial and don't amount to much.
- No Tali reveal. Now that's some bullshit!

Also, this ending fiasco. Could someone please point me in the direction of a post or article somewhere detailing why the endings are so derided? Maybe I'm not so bothered because I thought they were only as wayward as the rest of the game, but I'm very curious as to why they've caused such a controversy. Thank you.
 
NO.

That blue thing never touched *my* Shepard.

Something about her little quantum space "moment" with him because it's never defined really how they breed with females? I don't know, I wasn't paying attention.

I just like the idea of a little Asari girl named Shephard in the next game.
 
I'm starting to think a lot of these gaming journalist are not really gamers at all. They keep spitting out these blatant lies like people are crying about the end because it's not a happy ending. Clearly the outrage goes much deeper than that, but these journalist insist on painting this picture of the whiny gamer who wants a sweet ending. It almost feels like these guys are mostly hired guns for these big game companies. They utilize them to influence the weak minded and suppress anyone who has any complaints about the latest so called AAA games.

Yep. Either that, or the hive mind is so strong that nobody wants to dissent and be ridiculed by the others as "the idiot who agreed with all those fans with their Tali bodypillows".
 
Well, there is an Illusive Man interrupt at the end that matters if you can't convince him to shoot himself.
If you don't successfully interrupt him, he shoots you, and you have to start that entire citadel scene all over again.
There seemed like there should have been paragon and renegade options for that one. In fact, I had two of them but they were grayed out and I couldn't understand why. Had a full paragon bar and everything.

So I had to do the renegade interrupt in the end. That is after letting him shoot me.
 
I love my squad members, that is the best part in ME3 I think.
I like to talk to them after every mission, and I am glad they have many things to say in ME3. And sometimes Shep just listen, it feels like they are not just friends of Shep but also friends of each other. Conversations between Garrus and Wrex, Javik reveals the truth of Asari Goddess to Liara, "I still have my shortgun", Joker's comments on missions... I am so happy that Bioware at least deleted the Garrus/Liara dying scene, I mean that + space magic will make me really crazy. Right now no matter how bad the ending is, at least I am glad I can have so many memories of these lovable characters.
 
Something about her little quantum space "moment" with him because it's never defined really how they breed with females? I don't know, I wasn't paying attention.

I just like the idea of a little Asari girl named Shephard in the next game.

You can mind meld with Morinth in ME2, killing you, and I'm pretty sure that it is just like that black room in execution.
 
Quick someone post the Tali photoshop.

I don't really get the hate for that pic. I think she looks nice. I was worried Tali would be sort of ugly, but that pic is about the best I could hope for. So what if its a common photo on google? Its Tali Zorah vas Normandy now.
 
Just can't agree with that.

- WAY inferior main cast compared to 2 (I'm refering principally to squadmates here).
- Precious little exploration. One hub world... really?!
- Overly depressing story. I think in Bioware's bid to be as epic as possible and have EVERYTHING AT STAKE, they ended up with a tone that was inappropriately downbeat for the Mass Effect series.
- More than ever, the different choices are superficial and don't amount to much.
- No Tali reveal. Now that's some bullshit!

Also, this ending fiasco. Could someone please point me in the direction of a post or article somewhere detailing why the endings are so derided? Maybe I'm not so bothered because I thought they were only as wayward as the rest of the game, but I'm very curious as to why they've caused such a controversy. Thank you.

-The cast might be smaller, but what we got was of better quality than the other games.

-I'd rather have one decent hub world over a few shitty hubs. ME3's hub wasn't great, and it was a bit too small, but it did have its moments.

-Well, the first game starts with dudes getting impaled on magic cyberzombie sticks. I think the shifting tone of the games, as we perceive them, depend more on the aesthetics of the universe.

-They never mattered.

-Photoshop.
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I don't really get the hate for that pic. I think she looks nice. I was worried Tali would be sort of ugly, but that pic is about the best I could hope for. So what if its a common photo on google? Its Tali Zorah vas Normandy now.
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Also, this ending fiasco. Could someone please point me in the direction of a post or article somewhere detailing why the endings are so derided? Maybe I'm not so bothered because I thought they were only as wayward as the rest of the game, but I'm very curious as to why they've caused such a controversy. Thank you.
This is the closest to a complete summary:

http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/

Also check out the Mass Deflect Tumblr for jokes and solace:

http://massdeflect.tumblr.com/
 
I don't really get the hate for that pic. I think she looks nice. I was worried Tali would be sort of ugly, but that pic is about the best I could hope for. So what if its a common photo on google? Its Tali Zorah vas Normandy now.
You wanted Tali to be a woman from a stock photo that was photoshopped?
 
I don't really get the hate for that pic. I think she looks nice. I was worried Tali would be sort of ugly, but that pic is about the best I could hope for. So what if its a common photo on google? Its Tali Zorah vas Normandy now.

I dislike how utterly lazy it is of them to select a stock image from Getty and barely attempt to disguise the fact that it is, in fact, a stock image with some photoshop.

But I rather liked the image chosen because I imagined Tali and the Quarians would look like Persian Night Elf aliens, and that's what we got.

Still lazy.
 
There seemed like there should have been paragon and renegade options for that one. In fact, I had two of them but they were grayed out and I couldn't understand why. Had a full paragon bar and everything.

So I had to do the renegade interrupt in the end. That is after letting him shoot me.
Same 100% paragon can anyone tell is why the last paragon/renegade options were greyed out?
 
Welcome to the superior male shep fan club.

Population me and....well, you now! :D

edit: Holy shit Rebel Leader.


subtract atleast 20% =3
(mostly post useing secondapps on phone/wii) can't multiquote and pain an the ass to C&P and type EXACTLY where I want to on the phone
 
Same 100% paragon can anyone tell is why the last paragon/renegade options were greyed out?

You will not get the Paragon/Renegade options with the IM unless you had previously used either paragon OR renegade OR a mix of the two in ALL the previous conversations with the IM.

If you ever picked white when blue and red were present (even if greyed out), you will not get those final paragon/renegade options.

Basically makes that final conversation the culmination of you undermining his confidence in what he's doing.
 
You wanted Tali to be a woman from a stock photo that was photoshopped?

No, I just wanted her to look nice after all these years of wondering. I don't care if the photo is a stock one. I mean the model for her would come from someplace anyway, right? So who gives a shit if its a popular photo. I think the real issue people should have is that you didn't get to see her in-game face. But hey, the photo is better than nothing. Now people can say they know.
 
I just wanted her to not have mandibles tbh.

Does it matter?It's lazy sure, but it's such a minor detail.
I don't care, because Tali and Quarians are horrible people, but having them look like humans with three fingers is the last thing I expected.


No, I just wanted her to look nice after all these years of wondering. I don't care if the photo is a stock one. I mean the model for her would come from someplace anyway, right? So who gives a shit if its a popular photo. I think the real issue people should have is that you didn't get to see her in-game face. But hey, the photo is better than nothing. Now people can say they know.
It's just lazy that they didn't even take the time to make a model of her and show her in the game talking to you.
 
Same 100% paragon can anyone tell is why the last paragon/renegade options were greyed out?

Interesting that you had that problem, as I went full paragon and I had both options available too, which I thought was odd. Did you use paragon/renegade speech options in all the previous meetings with the Illusive Man? I recall 2-3 conversations over the game where you can try to convince him using blue/red, so perhaps you have to do that each time? It's the only thing I can think of right now that might make such a difference.

Edit: Still too slow, dammit.
 
It's a photo where they literally erased the ring finger and pinky

And not even well

It's shitty and lazy and am genuinely shocked to see anyone defend that kind of work.
 
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