Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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Oh, I was wondering something that isn't really related to the ending, which might make a nice change of pace :P. At one point, they mention that the Yahg homeworld is being left alone because it's not advanced enough yet. That would make sense, but didn't they also say the Yahg are a fairly modern society (akin to 20th century earth) made up of smart, perceptive and strong individuals? Letting that society develop for another 50,000 years doesn't seem like the best of ideas. Did I miss something in the game or understand something wrong?
 
Kabouter said:
Oh, I was wondering something that isn't really related to the ending, which might make a nice change of pace :P. At one point, they mention that the Yahg homeworld is being left alone because it's not advanced enough yet. That would make sense, but didn't they also say the Yahg are a fairly modern society (akin to 20th century earth) made up of smart, perceptive and strong individuals? Letting that society develop for another 50,000 years doesn't seem like the best of ideas. Did I miss something in the game or understand something wrong?
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If they're just targeting space faring civilizations than probably not. Especially if their relay isn't in their star system, then it'd probably be a few hundred more years before they actually got to the Citadel and established the start of the next cycle (had there been another cycle).

Interestingly that probably could've given them a way to easily do the "find Liara's box" ending if they bothered, just have a Yahg find it since they already have the character model made for Shadow Broker.
 
Kabouter said:
Oh, I was wondering something that isn't really related to the ending, which might make a nice change of pace :P. At one point, they mention that the Yahg homeworld is being left alone because it's not advanced enough yet. That would make sense, but didn't they also say the Yahg are a fairly modern society (akin to 20th century earth) made up of smart, perceptive and strong individuals? Letting that society develop for another 50,000 years doesn't seem like the best of ideas. Did I miss something in the game or understand something wrong?
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From what I gather, they're only worried about races that are advanced enough to cause them trouble at the 50,000 year mark. If the civilization isn't advanced enough at that time, then they ignore them.

Then again, there's so many plot holes at this point, who knows.
 
Kabouter said:
Oh, I was wondering something that isn't really related to the ending, which might make a nice change of pace :P. At one point, they mention that the Yahg homeworld is being left alone because it's not advanced enough yet. That would make sense, but didn't they also say the Yahg are a fairly modern society (akin to 20th century earth) made up of smart, perceptive and strong individuals? Letting that society develop for another 50,000 years doesn't seem like the best of ideas. Did I miss something in the game or understand something wrong?
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I thought about this. But then I thought the Brutes were corrupted Yaghs. Do they explain what they are? They're not Turians, but they are in use on the Turian moon...and that's the first place you go (and Bioware doesn't introduce the corrupted species until you get to their relevant homeworld).

But you're right, there's no real evidence to suggest that's what the Brutes are (in fact, the game says otherwise).

I understand that most Yaghs are shitty, but then you have to realize that the Shadow Broker WAS a Yagh. So they are certainly capable.

I don't understand.
 
At least Dragon Age 2 was just poor, there wasn't that sinking feeling at the end when you realized that for all the great stuff they did through out the game, they chose to go out on something that wouldn't even qualify as a whimper.

Fucking A.
 
Which is why the "reasons" for the Reapers is bullshit, unless starchild was trolling. The Yagh find the citadel in 100 years, build an AI in 1000. What next? That AI has 49,000 years to destroy organics. Reapers don't care- Sovereign didn't bother to wake up until 300 years after the Geth defeated the Quarians.

Edit: Via The Collector's Edition Artbook

The Brutes are Krogan.
Why they put a Turian head on there? It is a mystery.

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They did it "for a grisly synthesis" of the two whose planets were closely linked in the invasion.
 
Y2Kev said:
I thought about this. But then I thought the Brutes were corrupted Yaghs. Do they explain what they are? They're not Turians, but they are in use on the Turian moon...and that's the first place you go (and Bioware doesn't introduce the corrupted species until you get to their relevant homeworld).
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If I recall they're supposed to be Turian/Krogan hybrids.
 
Jibbajabbawockky said:
Ah yes, Mike Gamble. We have dismissed those claims. The same Mike Gamble who made these claims about ME3 pre-release:








Sources: 360magazine, Eurogamer, Nowgamer
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This guy... I remember the first quote, but those last two are ridiculous.
 
Kabouter said:
Oh, I was wondering something that isn't really related to the ending, which might make a nice change of pace :P. At one point, they mention that the Yahg homeworld is being left alone because it's not advanced enough yet. That would make sense, but didn't they also say the Yahg are a fairly modern society (akin to 20th century earth) made up of smart, perceptive and strong individuals? Letting that society develop for another 50,000 years doesn't seem like the best of ideas. Did I miss something in the game or understand something wrong?
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It's because their culture essentially demands conflict. Equality is an insult to them, so if they tried to integrate them into modern galactic society, all that would happen is that they'd constantly try to start **** in order to raise themselves above other races.
 
1stStrike said:
From what I gather, they're only worried about races that are advanced enough to cause them trouble at the 50,000 year mark. If the civilization isn't advanced enough at that time, then they ignore them.

Then again, there's so many plot holes at this point, who knows.
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Right, because 'cause them trouble' isn't even the issue. It is about saving them from their own creations now, so them getting to the Citadel first is a weird requirement to start the next cycle. Who says they can't develop synthetics that screw them over before they do? Then what?

Shit's bananas.
 
Y2Kev said:
I thought about this. But then I thought the Brutes were corrupted Yaghs. Do they explain what they are? They're not Turians, but they are in use on the Turian moon...and that's the first place you go (and Bioware doesn't introduce the corrupted species until you get to their relevant homeworld).

But you're right, there's no real evidence to suggest that's what the Brutes are (in fact, the game says otherwise).

I understand that most Yaghs are shitty, but then you have to realize that the Shadow Broker WAS a Yagh. So they are certainly capable.

I don't understand.
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Krogan/Turian are brutes.

I definitely wasn't expecting the Shadow Broker to be a Yagh (I thought he would have been something closer to a Drell or other slender looking species), I don't even know the purpose of introducing them at all. The only other time Yaghs appeared was at the Salarian base in ME3, but you didn't interact with them at all.
 
Y2Kev said:
I thought about this. But then I thought the Brutes were corrupted Yaghs. Do they explain what they are? They're not Turians, but they are in use on the Turian moon...and that's the first place you go (and Bioware doesn't introduce the corrupted species until you get to their relevant homeworld).

But you're right, there's no real evidence to suggest that's what the Brutes are (in fact, the game says otherwise).

I understand that most Yaghs are shitty, but then you have to realize that the Shadow Broker WAS a Yagh. So they are certainly capable.

I don't understand.
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Edit: Beaten
 
Jake Tower said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbghjn7_Byc&list=LLvxtQENDZE_E6H5niIACfuA&index=3&feature=plpp_video
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I know the indoctrination theory is probably wrong, but it makes so much more sense than the actual ending that I'm going to pretend it's true.

I'm also going to give the team the benefit of the doubt that there's internal struggle within Bioware. That management and EA are forcing decisions that led to this ending. Either it's a bullshit ending or it's an unfinished ending. Both are bad for the customer and short term good for EA. That's historically how EA rolls. They burn and plunder ships.
 
I think they allow one free piece of DLC, but not too big. The more insane part is thinking that EA is going to retcon their ending and let you have it for free.
 
inky said:
I think they allow one free piece of DLC, but not too big. The more insane part is thinking that EA is going to retcon their ending and let you have it for free.
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I think we are all in a phase to get indoctrinated at the end we all will have peace with the end if we dont choose red pill that is.
 
Kabouter said:
Oh, I was wondering something that isn't really related to the ending, which might make a nice change of pace :P. At one point, they mention that the Yahg homeworld is being left alone because it's not advanced enough yet. That would make sense, but didn't they also say the Yahg are a fairly modern society (akin to 20th century earth) made up of smart, perceptive and strong individuals? Letting that society develop for another 50,000 years doesn't seem like the best of ideas. Did I miss something in the game or understand something wrong?
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It doesn't make much sense to me either. The best I can come up with is that they were marked for, 'The Pattern.' Their downfall or stunted growth would be part of some brushfire conflict.
 
Y2Kev said:
Are yall insane. Does MSFT even allow free dlc
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Yeah, this isn't Cd Projekt or even Valve or Zenimax (which is sort of half way between Cd Projekt and EA). There will not be free DLC. Remember how Dragon Age had a merchant basically pop up a VISA terminal to purchase DLC?
 
Even if they were to give us a "new ending", it would take months for them to actually get it in our hands. These guys thought this ending we currently have was brilliant, so it's not like they have a real ending sitting around somewhere ready to be released. If it's 6 months or more until we get a better ending, or at least a better understanding to the ending, then I don't even care. It'll realistically be next year sometime before you get any closure to this ending if at all. MP dlc and the already structured sp dlc will come out way before the dlc we really want. It's time to give up the dream and get on with our gaming lives. I've already moved on to God of War 3.
 
Wow, I forget that I even let Tali die in my current ME2 Renegade-rush carryover playthrough. No better way to emphasize this isn't my primary Shep than that...lol

Much less "lol" though, entering Dreadnought and Shep (with a sad tone) while observing Rannoch: "Tali would've loved seeing this." Joker: "Well,...let's win this one for her."

Anyway, seeing recent discussion, I though the Yahg Shadow Broker was neat, but the species still seems a bit unnecessary. Bigger Krogan with less natural body armor as I see it.
 
bigace33 said:
Even if they were to give us a "new ending", it would take months for them to actually get it in our hands. These guys thought this ending we currently have was brilliant, so it's not like they have a real ending sitting around somewhere ready to be released. If it's 6 months or more until we get a better ending, or at least a better understanding to the ending, then I don't even care. It'll realistically be next year sometime before you get any closure to this ending if at all. MP dlc and the already structured sp dlc will come out way before the dlc we really want. It's time to give up the dream and get on with our gaming lives. I've already moved on to God of War 3.
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There are enough idea's for endings on their forums that they just have to pick one. There are a lot that are detailed enough that it can pretty much be put into the game without much change (because god forbid that some of Bioware's writers start fucking with it).
 
Y2Kev said:
Are yall insane. Does MSFT even allow free dlc
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I think if a company puts enough pressure (and releases it free elsewhere) they can at least get one or two exceptions. It's also why I suspect that if they were actually going to give a free DLC it would be tied with whether or not you have an online pass, that way it's "free" as in "you needed to have bought new or bought an online pass, or you don't get it."
 
What level did you guys beat the game at? I finished at level 44, starting at 1. Can't even really use this char for a NG+ whenever I decide to play again (a long time from now, prolly). :P
 
teh_pwn said:
Yeah, this isn't Cd Projekt or even Valve or Zenimax (which is sort of half way between Cd Projekt and EA). There will not be free DLC. Remember how Dragon Age had a merchant basically pop up a VISA terminal to purchase DLC?
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Dragon Age had at least two map locations where you were given a sort of build up to a mission and then had to purchase DLC to continue. Notably there was a lumberyard where you arrived to someone getting murdered by soldiers. After you killed the soldiersi n battle, the dialogue of the guy is similar to
"The man may still live. Wake him?
[Wake him (purchase downloadable content)]
Leave him alone".

Imagine if ME3 did that with solar systems. "The Reapers are attacking a human colony. Assist the colony (purchase content)?"
 
Forsaken82 said:
So after finally completing the game, I can't help but feel that all this ending fiasco is blown way out of proportion. Am I the only one here that is indifferent to the ending?
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Im with you. Fantastic game, ok ending. Not worth crying about. Already started 2nd playthrough and i still love it.

its not really a "fiasco" people just love to complain. the game isnt perfect but it really is a lot of fun, polished and it looks/sounds/plays fantastic.
 
Maybe they thought that different colors was significant enough to claim that there were different endings.

Phat Michael said:
its not really a "fiasco" people just love to complain. the game isnt perfect but it really is a lot of fun, polished and it looks/sounds/plays fantastic.
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The fuck?

pol·ished (plsht)
adj.
1.
a. Made shiny and smooth by or as if by rubbing or chemical action.
b. Naturally shiny and smooth.
2. Having the husk or outer layers removed. Used of grains of rice.
3. Refined; cultured: polished manners.
4. Having no imperfections or errors; flawless: gave a polished presentation to the board.
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Yeah, no.
 
rififi said:
Krogan/Turian are brutes.

I definitely wasn't expecting the Shadow Broker to be a Yagh (I thought he would have been something closer to a Drell or other slender looking species), I don't even know the purpose of introducing them at all. The only other time Yaghs appeared was at the Salarian base in ME3, but you didn't interact with them at all.
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Time for another DLC opportunity!
 
Phat Michael said:
Im with you. Fantastic game, ok ending. Not worth crying about. Already started 2nd playthrough and i still love it.

its not really a "fiasco" people just love to complain. the game isnt perfect but it really is a lot of fun, polished and it looks/sounds/plays fantastic.
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It's fine to be upset by the ending but some people are taking it hilariously far. Some dude on the Bioware forums is actually filing a complaint with the FTC and BBB. lul
 
Lifejumper said:
Did that PTSD Asari talk about killing Jokers family?

Thats pretty fucked up.
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And then if you authorise her request for a weapon permit she commits suicide.

GOOD JOB SHEPARD.
 
Zeliard said:
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I consider myself a pretty rational guy. I'm a conservative Christian, I say my prayers and eat my vitamins, but I'll tell you what, if there was any chance that I could sue for irreparable damages (mental) I'd do it. My gaming psyche is scarred for life, and really it all boils down to Bioware doing a masterful job of making me care about the characters and this fictional universe. That ending just doesn't cut it.
 
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