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They'll just use joker at bait...
Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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No, by that I mean that everyone was ready to die anyway, including Shepard and I expected as much.
Same. What bugs me the most is how obvious some of the mistakes seem to be. How easy it is to come up with less disappointing endings, even if you fix it with a hacksaw, as Bioware did with so many things.
EmCeeGramr
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It really wasn't the kind of death they were expecting!!
Captain Tuttle
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I think everything carries over, money, guns, skills, armor etc.
Jake Tower
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Your shame.
Javik has a nice mission and integrates really well into ME3, the other DLCs are skippable.
That's great, I'll probably just do a hard playthrought as I already finished it on insanity the first time;
I won't kill the Geth this time :\
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Shame? Only if he kills Marauder Shields
AdmiralSnackbar
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Everyone was ready to die for the cause. Tali for her people, Garrus for Palavan and his family. Everything was about saving the galaxy no matter the cost, but there is no way to preserve the galaxy as we know it.
If you port over a finished ME3 character, you'll get a scene where Shepard wakes up from a dream and yells out "BLUE SPACE MAGIC!" (or red, or green, depending). Your chosen love interest will console you, and tell you that it's only a dream.
Photolysis
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That's actually pretty good.
It's a passable attempt, but still greatly inferior to Michael Beattie's portrayal. Fuck Bioware for not bringing him back.
Honestly, I didn't even notice that it wasn't the same guy. Point out something specific, so we can compare directly.
Javik, yes. Overlord, yes. Kasumi, depends on how you feel.
Inventory, cash, your level, and I believe your reputation points.
"Nothing"
Ha....
The galaxy is saved, it just means nothing to everyone that was involved in it. Man thats dumb...
*goes cry in a corner*
Weapon levels go to 10 in NG+? Or is the achievement for MP?
Fudgepuppy
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So Steve only died because I avoided him?
Guess that teaches me a lesson.
Guess that teaches me a lesson.
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Steve? Who's Steve?So Steve only died because I avoided him?
Guess that teaches me a lesson.
Yup. If you find the weapon again on a mission, it bumps the level by 3. Then you just buy the rest of the levels (six upgrades).
I think MP works too.
So Steve only died because I avoided him?
Guess that teaches me a lesson.
Haters.
Steve and Shepard are meant to be together
Really curious to see how well the pay off is, only just started 'romancing' him.Captain Tuttle
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I haven't been able to try it yet but I think it's the only way to get the Gunsmith Achievement (upgrade a gun to level 10)
Edit: Beaten
BuckRobotron
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Kasumi was a good character in ME2 but is very ,very minor in ME3. She even has a realistic assessment of her worth in such epic circumstances, saying something like "I'm just a thief, had enough with that last suicide mission" when invited on board. So get it to enjoy in ME2, but if placing greater importance on the effect on an ME2 import, not worth it.
I thought the new voice actor did a really good job. He managed to replicate the method of speech pretty well if not quite as fast, but he just didn't sound the same.
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SerArthurDayne
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Haters.
Steve and Shepard are meant to be together
Steve is a fine character. I was worried they were going to pull an Anders and make him throw a bitch fit if you didn't want to have sex with him, but fortunately it was a lot more subtle than that.
Although the "I'm Gay" scene is a little bit ridiculous to me.
edit: Retake has now broken 60,000. About 3,000 donors, no idea how many unique, average, or highest donations are, but I would be interested.
In terms of a game that has sold (or shipped?) 3mn plus copies that isn't large, but I think it is a good way to keep the pressure on in a visible way and at least vent to a good cause.
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Same here. I rarely pay attention to VA unless there's a huge difference
SerArthurDayne
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If anybody has ever seen Farscape, that was the worst voice acting change ever from the last season to the movie.
It was the same actor, too. Sometimes you just can't recapture the magic. Mordin's new actor was like 85% on as far as I was concerned.
It was the same actor, too. Sometimes you just can't recapture the magic. Mordin's new actor was like 85% on as far as I was concerned.
My ranking would be ME 1 >> ME 3 >> ME 2
All three games had design problems though.
ME 1 is my favorite probably because it has the best atmosphere and story while having a lot of exploration. There are few main missions but missions are longer and much more fleshed out. Take Noveria as an example. You have a "city" part at the beginning to find a way to get a permit to leave town. Then you have a mako sequence to reach the research HQ which is far away at the top of a mountain. When you reach the HQ you have to explore to bring back the power online to the place. You then reach the area you need to go but need to find a way to break out of the quarantine area. Finally you reach your target. Missions were much more than a bunch of corridors with waves of monsters.
The plot was also executed fairly properly in my opinion. You slowly and progressively find out what Saren is up to then you get a proper reveal on Ilos. It's probably the game with the best version of the Citadel too. You really feel like exploring a city and not simply exploring corridors via an elevator. It was also a good introduction to the world and the lore of the series. Everything seems to fit so well in there.
The major flaws of ME1 arei ts combat system and the reused assets for sidequests. Controls and shooting are really clunky.
ME2 was a hot mess for me. All the potential for a nice expansion of the story of the game was flushed down the drain. The main story arc is overall pointless in the trilogy as the whole human baby reaper thing is quite downplayed in 3. The whole resurrection and working for Cerberus was stupid and it affected the plot of 3 too.The best thing out of ME2 was the cast. You have much more characters so you can at least find 2 party members you like and you will bring everywhere.
Controls and shooting are now really good but levels are now a bunch of short corridors. Missions are also super short and you spend more time doing tasks for your crew than actually fighting the collectors. Subplots are at least quite decent though.
ME 3 tried to salvage the plot but it was too late to completely save what was damaged with 2. As a result half of the dialogue of Ashley/Kaidan is about how you are so mean for working for Cerberus and the game struggles to make sense as to why some character like Joker, Chakwas and the engineers were or were not court martialed for treason. They also had to find half assed reasons as to why the ME2 cast can't join you on your missions and some of them are really stupid like Kasumi's.
The plot also requires some ridiculous deux ex machinas to move the plot forward as they didn't set up any hints or plot points hinting at how to defeat the reapers. You get the mystical crucible which was improved by many races through previous cycles even if they had no idea sa to what it actually does. You find a cure for the genophage even if it was supposed to take years to develop because there were some surviving females you never saw while storming Maelon's lab even though Wrex never mentionned those females nor did Maelon after you intimidate him. The whole reason behind the geth rebellion is stupid and paints the Quarians as jerk. There are some annoying plot holes too. The reapers leave the Citadel alone for the whole game even if their main tactic is all about controlling the relays through the Citdael. And the ending is a total trainwreck.
ME 3 does have the best conversations or banters of all 3 games though. While you don't always get choices during conversation with your crew, they have much more to tell than 3 conversations before going back to their calibrations. Your squadmates also talk with other characters and do on the Citadel which is much more interesting and natural than having them locked up in their room for the whole game. Lots of fan service too. The conversation about how both the Mako and Hammerhead sucked was hilarious so was Tali getting drunk.
Gameplay wise it has the best combat system and shooting. You can also opt to carry less weapons so your powers regenerate more quickly. Enemies have the skills and use them often. Unfortunately most of the levels are still corridors. They at least improved a bit by having larger area with lot of covers positions and the oppurtunity for flanking. I found it also annoying how many of the missions involve fighting waves of enemies. In some areas they literally come out of the ceiling with jetpacks (like Grissom Academy). Also hated the mission where you simply activate something while waves of enemies tries to reach your position. There were many of those, even the last mission is like that.
Bonus points for 3 because there's a lot of alternate situation in the game offered depending on the characters that died in 1/2.
All three games had design problems though.
ME 1 is my favorite probably because it has the best atmosphere and story while having a lot of exploration. There are few main missions but missions are longer and much more fleshed out. Take Noveria as an example. You have a "city" part at the beginning to find a way to get a permit to leave town. Then you have a mako sequence to reach the research HQ which is far away at the top of a mountain. When you reach the HQ you have to explore to bring back the power online to the place. You then reach the area you need to go but need to find a way to break out of the quarantine area. Finally you reach your target. Missions were much more than a bunch of corridors with waves of monsters.
The plot was also executed fairly properly in my opinion. You slowly and progressively find out what Saren is up to then you get a proper reveal on Ilos. It's probably the game with the best version of the Citadel too. You really feel like exploring a city and not simply exploring corridors via an elevator. It was also a good introduction to the world and the lore of the series. Everything seems to fit so well in there.
The major flaws of ME1 arei ts combat system and the reused assets for sidequests. Controls and shooting are really clunky.
ME2 was a hot mess for me. All the potential for a nice expansion of the story of the game was flushed down the drain. The main story arc is overall pointless in the trilogy as the whole human baby reaper thing is quite downplayed in 3. The whole resurrection and working for Cerberus was stupid and it affected the plot of 3 too.The best thing out of ME2 was the cast. You have much more characters so you can at least find 2 party members you like and you will bring everywhere.
Controls and shooting are now really good but levels are now a bunch of short corridors. Missions are also super short and you spend more time doing tasks for your crew than actually fighting the collectors. Subplots are at least quite decent though.
ME 3 tried to salvage the plot but it was too late to completely save what was damaged with 2. As a result half of the dialogue of Ashley/Kaidan is about how you are so mean for working for Cerberus and the game struggles to make sense as to why some character like Joker, Chakwas and the engineers were or were not court martialed for treason. They also had to find half assed reasons as to why the ME2 cast can't join you on your missions and some of them are really stupid like Kasumi's.
The plot also requires some ridiculous deux ex machinas to move the plot forward as they didn't set up any hints or plot points hinting at how to defeat the reapers. You get the mystical crucible which was improved by many races through previous cycles even if they had no idea sa to what it actually does. You find a cure for the genophage even if it was supposed to take years to develop because there were some surviving females you never saw while storming Maelon's lab even though Wrex never mentionned those females nor did Maelon after you intimidate him. The whole reason behind the geth rebellion is stupid and paints the Quarians as jerk. There are some annoying plot holes too. The reapers leave the Citadel alone for the whole game even if their main tactic is all about controlling the relays through the Citdael. And the ending is a total trainwreck.
ME 3 does have the best conversations or banters of all 3 games though. While you don't always get choices during conversation with your crew, they have much more to tell than 3 conversations before going back to their calibrations. Your squadmates also talk with other characters and do on the Citadel which is much more interesting and natural than having them locked up in their room for the whole game. Lots of fan service too. The conversation about how both the Mako and Hammerhead sucked was hilarious so was Tali getting drunk.
Gameplay wise it has the best combat system and shooting. You can also opt to carry less weapons so your powers regenerate more quickly. Enemies have the skills and use them often. Unfortunately most of the levels are still corridors. They at least improved a bit by having larger area with lot of covers positions and the oppurtunity for flanking. I found it also annoying how many of the missions involve fighting waves of enemies. In some areas they literally come out of the ceiling with jetpacks (like Grissom Academy). Also hated the mission where you simply activate something while waves of enemies tries to reach your position. There were many of those, even the last mission is like that.
Bonus points for 3 because there's a lot of alternate situation in the game offered depending on the characters that died in 1/2.
Jake Tower
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Mordin's new voice actor was more accurate to the original than Max Von Sydow was to himself in Skyrim.
You can keep it platonic just by sayingHaters.
Steve and Shepard are meant to be together
"I prefer women"
The geth server mission in ME3 mentions the Overlord systems. Is there any impact based on what I do in the DLC? I'm assuming there's also an impact on the "recover Jacob" mission, because one of the guys says that he was doing work for Cerberus in the Overlord project. Kasumi seemed very minor in ME2, but I guess my main thing is she worth it in ME2 and is her mission fun?
As for Javik, I don't want to get him, because it would be indirectly supporting Bioware/EA's decision to do day 1 DLC. I want to get him, because he seems important to the story unlike Vega. I'll probably decide when I grab a points card or when Microsoft decides to put ME2 DLC on discount.
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Imagine if javik was ME2DLC and take him on the collector ship?
Wonder if this is a direct result of EA taking over from Microsoft? Bioware would likely keep a better eye on VA consistency for English (maybe French too?) than they would for other languages I'd think, EA'd probably just go with whoever they usually did and the same for Microsoft.
I always liked Samara.
Psychoward
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Javik is fantastic, I brought him almost to all missions.
"During my cycle...."
I guess it was because Mass Effect got big - they brought "famous" voices to the game, ignoring the fact that the German voice acting in ME1 was perfectly fine. German Tali and English Tali sounded the same, it was great. In ME2 they even did not manage to get the Quarian voice effect right... so bad.
There's also mentions to Overlord in Grimson Academy. kasumi's mission isn't much fun, is just running through the Citadel finding some panels. Well, these 2 DLCs will give you some new war assets, but nothing major.
Psychoward
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Meh, Samara had twisted views, boring voice acting, and just a dull character to bring with you.
Just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around.
SerArthurDayne
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Javik is the best of the bunch.
Kasumi is practically invisible in ME2, has a brief cameo in ME3. Her mission in ME2 is a little bit unique, and pretty good overall. She is actually a very good squadmate.
Overlord affects Grissom Academy as well, in a very minor way, depending on what you do in Overlord. Not sure about the Geth server mission. Probably some slight dialogue difference if you didn't do it, although I doubt any of your actions would change what is said if you did it.
Kasumi is practically invisible in ME2, has a brief cameo in ME3. Her mission in ME2 is a little bit unique, and pretty good overall. She is actually a very good squadmate.
Overlord affects Grissom Academy as well, in a very minor way, depending on what you do in Overlord. Not sure about the Geth server mission. Probably some slight dialogue difference if you didn't do it, although I doubt any of your actions would change what is said if you did it.
Harbinger's voice could have been easily replaced unlike Mordin's, and yet we have a very good Mordin replacement. That's assuming the rumors of Harbinger's VA are true.
Oh god, that would be too brilliant.
I am getting to the point that I simply don't think an "ending" exist. You know how some Star Wars think there are only 3 movies. BioWare is making me into one of those people.
In my ending I left a blue daughter to my Liara. And the Mass Relays were never destroyed. In the 10 year anniversary of the "Battle of London" people gather to earth and pay respect the heroes that sacrificed their life to save the Galaxy. The little girl brings flowers from Prothean planet to the tomb of commendar Shepard. You can see behind Liara stands the older Gurrus and a few old friends who survived the war. And the fallen Citadel stands silently in the background serve as a permanent memorial of the event.
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(Went to YouTube) Yes, I don't remember him being shot down.. and I don't care
Photolysis
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To be fair to the guy, it is a pretty good imitation as far as mimicry goes. Plus he has the additional challenge of trying to emulate a voice someone else has created, rather than developing it himself.
Best example would be Mordin's singing.
Guess it just didn't register for me then. edit: I looked at some videos and there are some variations in tone, but I guess I attributed all of that to the changed situations. Very good imitation.
Kasumi's mission is neat, I suppose, but nothing mind-blowing. You get to attend a cocktail party, fancy dress and everything, but there isn't anything that stands out to me at least. Not that I remember. I never started a new game to bring her along, so she might have some good lines during the story mission. She is a very useful character in combat, aside from all that.
You see one of the characters from Overlord during the Grissom Academy mission, and the other is with the Cerberus defectors, yeah. Nothing major, just catching up.
Kasumi's mission is neat, I suppose, but nothing mind-blowing. You get to attend a cocktail party, fancy dress and everything, but there isn't anything that stands out to me at least. Not that I remember. I never started a new game to bring her along, so she might have some good lines during the story mission. She is a very useful character in combat, aside from all that.
Tsts, wieso nicht gleich im O-Ton? Ich will gar nicht wissen wie die deutschen Stimmen klingen.
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