Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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ace3skoot said:
Wrex attacked shep! it was self defence, Also it kind of bugged me that mordin did a 180 in ME3 he did a terrible thing for the right reasons, the genophage had to stay it was in the best interest of the galaxy...of cause had i of known in the end everyone would be screwed over/killed/stuck on a jungle planet I probably need not of bothered :p
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I thought I'd feel the same way, but I liked his change. Seemed less like guilt, and more like responsibility and acceptance of change. That the Krogan had paid the cost, and now under new, strong leadership the had the right to try again. And since he started it, he wanted the authority to finish it.
 
Shepard said:
The only explicit plothole I see is that the game gives no reason for the Reapers/catalyst to want to preserve organic life, but you can kinda deduce it. You guys shure like to overreact.
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you played with the DLC, which is the only way you could have predicted space casper at all.

That said, his entire existence was uncalled for, unnecessary and should have been removed or changed a long time ago during development.

His motives make no sense. The motives he adds (or actually takes away from) for the reapers make no sense. Even if his explanations were thematically correct (which they are not), his motive and the purged motive of the reapers does not compute.

Literally.

Which is why he should not have been there, or not in that particular way. My suggestion earlier of doing a simple selection between Anderson, Casper and TIM would make more sense, despite keeping the exact same setup in terms of endings and such.

Casper does not give a shit about organics, yet he 'tries to save them'. He is millions upon millions of years old, and you're telling me this super AI NEVER came to conclude that his scheme was beyond retarded?
Come on, man.

Nothing fits here. It's just a random mishmash of stuff ducttaped together to say: "the end, tada!"
 
Rapstah said:
Illusive Man can suddenly control Anderson.
Harbinger leaves without making sure Shepard is dead despite having shown great interest in Shepard as a person as late as Arrival, set six months before ME3.
There's an old man and a kid after all endings including the Synthesis ending, but synthetic life forms don't age or have children that age.
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1. The Illusive man had the same reaper technology, he wasn't able to control the reapers only because he was already in the indocrination process.
2. And if the old and young man were already old and young when they're were transformed into syntethics?
3. Haarbinger acted just like any other videogame enemy


Fimbulvetr said:
What's overreacting about calling this ending a crappy part of an otherwise fairly entertaining product?
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It isn't the best ending of all time, but definitely not the worst. And i've seen some people calling plot-holes what is clearly explained in the game.
 
EatChildren said:
I thought I'd feel the same way, but I liked his change. Seemed less like guilt, and more like responsibility and acceptance of change. That the Krogan had paid the cost, and now under new, strong leadership the had the right to try again. And since he started it, he wanted the authority to finish it.
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Yeah when you ask him why he changed his mind he basically says it's due to new circumstances.
 
Achtius said:
If I didn't care about the ending (or what I thought was the ending),

I would sacrifice all krogan for Mordin
I would sacrifice all quarian for Legion
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No man, a good soldier knows that it's the other way around. Sacrifice the one for the many. Mordin was actually happy to die for his beliefs.
 
Replicant said:
Wait, if you friendzone Steve, he dies? What kind of BS is that you have to romance someone to save them?
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You just need to advance his subplot, it can end in friendship rather than romance and he'll live. I didn't even know he could die actually until looking online post-ending.
 
I have a femshep renegade playthrough and I some how messed up my chances with Liara in ME1 so I went with Kaidan. Then in 3 I tried to be an asshole to Kaidan and romance "Not Kelly" but she also wouldn't go for me. Why am I a bad Lesbian?
 
Shepard said:
The only explicit plothole I see is that the game gives no reason for the Reapers/catalyst to want to preserve organic life, but you can kinda deduce it. You guys shure like to overreact.
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When Mass Relays explode, they wipe out entire systems. This means every fleet at Earth is dead. The Citadel magically appears over Earth. In one scenario, EDI walked out of my ship even though I selected the destroy ending. And how are you going to explain how a space beam makes synthesis possible? Even if the Reaper's goal is to preserve organic life, it's hardly a good explanation as to why it destroys all organic life. There's more, but I'm feeling lazy right now.
 
Replicant said:
Wait, if you friendzone Steve, he dies? What kind of BE is that you have to romance someone to save them?
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no youdon't ave too you just have to talk him into beleiving life is worth living, basically talk to him as often as possible and be encouraging, otherwise he dies when the shuttle crashes

of course he just dies in the end anyway, with almost everyone else
 
Shepard said:
The only explicit plothole I see is that the game gives no reason for the Reapers/catalyst to want to preserve organic life, but you can kinda deduce it. You guys shure like to overreact.
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You think it's inevitable for synthetics to always exterminate their creators, especially when that is disproven in the very story of the game? And even if you buy that nonsense, you also think killing all advanced organics every 50,000 years, but archiving their memory is a solid solution to that problem that is worthy of the intellect of a god-like being?

Really?
 
Karl2177 said:
When Mass Relays explode, they wipe out entire systems. This means every fleet at Earth is dead. The Citadel magically appears over Earth. In one scenario, EDI walked out of my ship even though I selected the destroy ending. And how are you going to explain how a space beam makes synthesis possible? Even if the Reaper's goal is to preserve organic life, it's hardly a good explanation as to why it destroys all organic life. There's more, but I'm feeling lazy right now.
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I've argued before that it's PROBABLY a matter of how the energy's spent. I know it's been brought up that the Relay sent out a shockwave, but I think that's just the wave of "Space Magic" enacting the change you choose, plus if you compare the explosion in the ending to the one in Arrival they're not the same, you can see the Arrival relay is doing the super nova thing that the Ending relay isn't.
 
Man I loved the conversation with the reaper on Rannoch. Too bad that was the only conversation of its kind in the game. Lol at Harbinger showing up for 5 seconds at the end as you run to the beam.
 
alerus said:
You think it's inevitable for synthetics to always exterminate their creators, especially when that is disproven in the very story of the game? And even if you buy that nonsense, you also think killing all advanced organics every 50,000 years, but archiving their memory is a solid solution to that problem that is worthy of the intellect of a god-like being?

Really?
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what part of the game story disproves it? And yes, I thought it made sense.
 
Karl2177 said:
When Mass Relays explode, they wipe out entire systems. This means every fleet at Earth is dead. The Citadel magically appears over Earth. In one scenario, EDI walked out of my ship even though I selected the destroy ending. And how are you going to explain how a space beam makes synthesis possible? Even if the Reaper's goal is to preserve organic life, it's hardly a good explanation as to why it destroys all organic life. There's more, but I'm feeling lazy right now.
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Don't worry, that will get retconned.

And by retconned, I mean entirely ignored and thus retconned by implication (i.e. laziness).
 
I know there's a way to let Mordin live, but from what i've heard it's impossible to do if you have Wrex and do not want to sabotage the cure. What exactly needs to be done?
 
Zeitgeister said:
Come on, man.
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Zeitgeister said:
huh. So I guess the black gay guy still gets it, huh?

(hispanic? future something? I don't, I'm totally guessing here... "loco" SHUT UP VEGA, GOD. FUCK. *goes all "are you a professional?!" on Vega *)
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That is why I made sure Vega would not be calling my Shepard "Lola" for the next 30 hours.

Fucking Freddie Prinze Jr...
 
For me it was

ME1 = Had the Story
ME2 = Had the Characters
ME3 = Had the Combat/Right Mix of RPG and TPS

So to rank them it'd probably be
ME1 = ME3 > ME2

ME3 is only tied with ME1 because it did so much RIGHT. And did a lot of things the series needed for a long time. I didn't like the overall story and thought The Crucible was stupid, but I liked everything else (except ending of course).
Same can be said with ME2. Hated the story, loved everything else in between.
ME1 just had the perfect pacing, tone, and style. And got me to fall in love with the universe.
 
The Antitype said:
I never had any interest in Tali as a love interest, but there's no doubt that she and Garrus are the two best, most developed characters across the three games.

Liara would be up there too if her transformation from giggly Prothean scientist to no-nonsense ass-kicking Shadowbroker didn't all take place while Shepherd was asleep.

I don't know if anybody else feels the same way, but I HATED Jack in Mass Effect 2. Hated her.

In one 20 minute mission in ME3, I had completely changed my stance. They updated her character just enough to be sympathetic, without losing her edge. Plus, she has hair and actual clothes, which helps.

I actually would love a Jack DLC so I could get her in my party.
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Yup. feel the same way about Jack. Even thought she looked kinda cute with her hair.
 
Zeitgeister said:
huh. So I guess the black gay guy still gets it, huh?

(hispanic? future something? I don't, I'm totally guessing here... "loco" SHUT UP VEGA, GOD. FUCK. *goes all "are you a professional?!" on Vega *)
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I ... don't know what the fuck you are talking about. If you are talking about Steve it is Cortez, so I assume Hispanic, although I don't believe it is ever brought up.
 
ace3skoot said:
Mordin is one of my all time favourite characters, I actually cried when shep pulled the trigger :'(

is there a renagade way too save him? I'm hoping this play through I just made all the wrong options
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YOU SHOOT HIM IN THE BACK!

Scummiest thing to do throughout the trilogy, and that's with committing genocide included.
 
Zeitgeister said:
hey, that's actually a pretty good overview.
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It tries to push the indoctrination theory a bit too much (I think it's bull and just desperate fans trying to make sense of a nonsensical ending meant to generate speculation). But it definitely documents all the inconsistencies in the final segment. Fans expected a cheesy ending. Just not of the Swiss variety.
 
bigace33 said:
Tali and Legion, Quarion and Geth. EDI was actually the reverse, she started out as a murderous VI and now she is one of the most loyal squad mates.
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Quarrians and Geth only worked together because of the Reaper invasion. And what we are looking at is a small time frame, the Reapers saw that pattern over thousands of years.
 
If there is any solace in the blasphemy of Renegade Shep shooting Mordin in the back, its that Wrex has him/her running like a little bitch. Too bad Wrex couldn't finish the job.
 
DLC dealing more with Jack and her "kids" is something I might dig as well. Keeping her in-party after and/or with extra hooks for a Jack ME2 LI import would add more incentive as well.
 
Shepard said:
what part of the game story disproves it? And yes, I thought it made sense.
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Geth and EDI show that synthetics can get along just fine and can resolve their differences (in the case of the Geth who actually never wanted war to begin with) or are you suggesting that they're eventually guaranteed do it anyway. If so, by what reasoning is this?

And how exactly does any of that make sense? I think children of today could come up with better solutions than star child who is supposed to significantly above our intellect. I mean "I don't want you to die so I'll kill you now on the chance that you'll be killed by someone else later," is really pretty remarkably stupid.
 
Shepard said:
It isn't the best ending of all time, but definitely not the worst.
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Well, duh. It's still pretty crappy though.

Also plotholes aren't the only thing that make for bad writing.

It's been pretty much confirmed by Walters' notes, but the endings are fundamentally flawed in the same way the Vent Kid is; they are empty attempts at deep writing. Like an automaton, playing at emotion.
 
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