His wording on the Earth one seems wrong too, you can't do any side stuff to delay it after the Cerberus mission.
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His wording on the Earth one seems wrong too, you can't do any side stuff to delay it after the Cerberus mission.
So... I drank a beer and thought about all of it again. I still don't hate the ending, I am just sad that it's over with my Shep and that there is this big hole of questions and empty space. Also my ending choice feels right to me (synergy) somehow, even if it's not the good one I should have choosen for my paragon Shep.
mass effect 2 made itself totally irrelevant. almost everyone in your party can die (when getting them was the entire focus of the game) and the ending is, 'oh shit! i forgot about the reapers! mom is gonna kill me.' credits.
Rebel Leader
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It was a minor mistake..
I saw the Geth peace video and that admiral is still alive just as I had in my game
EatChildren
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You'll grow to hate it. Everybody does.
ME1: great introduction to the universe, great atmosphere, awesome OST
ME2: Leaps better than ME1. Awesome characters, great story (that's only fulfilled in ME3), gameplay is in a whole another level from ME1.
ME3: Great ending to the trilogy. Merged everything together beautifully. Some choices I didn't remembered at all show themselves here. Flashes out the best characters in the trilogy, in detriment of the lesser ones. Jawdropping OST, incredible graphics. It also has the most believable "universe", it felt like everyone was under the reaper threat, not just earth.
Overall: ME3>>ME2>>ME1
ME2: Leaps better than ME1. Awesome characters, great story (that's only fulfilled in ME3), gameplay is in a whole another level from ME1.
ME3: Great ending to the trilogy. Merged everything together beautifully. Some choices I didn't remembered at all show themselves here. Flashes out the best characters in the trilogy, in detriment of the lesser ones. Jawdropping OST, incredible graphics. It also has the most believable "universe", it felt like everyone was under the reaper threat, not just earth.
Overall: ME3>>ME2>>ME1
I love the story progression of ME1. As others have stated, the build up to Ilos and subsequent pay off is awesome. The entire latter half from Virmire onward really felt like a race to stop Saren. That said, I think I would probably rank ME3 SLIGHTLY above ME1. The Ending is a huge detractor to the entire series, but enjoying 99% of a game is serious accomplishment.
My ranking about be ME3>ME1>ME2
I largely agree with this but put ME2 and 3 above 1 for the massively improved gameplay.
ME1 will always have the fact that it was the first going for it, as it felt the freshest. But mechanically it was a mess, and the RPG elements were largely worthless. It had the most promise of the 3, being the first, but that promise went unfulfilled and Mass Effect became more of an obvious shooter. A fun one, though.
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EatChildren is correct.. he used to be like you
They still couldn't figure out how to make truly good menus though. I don't understand how they expect me to know what weapon to buy.
I agree, except for one thing: over use of the space bar (A and X, respectively?). The should have put entering cover on another button. I got stuck in cover when I didn't want to way too often.
:-( I can see that, we will see.
The ending makes it 2>3>>>>1
When I finished 2 I immediately started new game plus/my femshep from ME1
When I finished 3 I wanted to sell it to amazon because I know if I do a new game +/continue my femshep I'll eventually get to the ending again. Ugh
The shooting/inventory/"exploration"/"rpg elements" are so poor in 1 that the game was only redeemable by the universe/characters.
I thought you were one of the few ones who still like it :\
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He did at first because we kept on saying how shitty and he prepared himself.
this thread is indocrinating people.
Terra Firma
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Also, if you sabotage the genophage and you were dealing with Wreav (Wrex died on Virmire) plus you had destroyed Maelon's research, you can both not cure the genophage and still have Krogans help you in the end. You also still have Mordin alive.
The janky rpgs are usually the ambitious ones.
EmCeeGramr
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Too many variables, but it had to be him, someone else might have gotten it wrong
I don't like the ending but it doesn't matter to me that much in the long run. I'm still chugging along on my second ME3 playthrough just like I did with 2, but I definitely don't blame you for feeling like that.
SerArthurDayne
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I went from wait, what?
To hate
To rage
To saying, I don't believe Indoctrination, but I hope they use that or find another way to write out of this hole they dug themselves into.
To enjoying the memes
To feeling, okay that is it I guess?
To feeling, well I'll just pretend my ending is it
To feeling, no I don't think I can trick myself into doing that
To trying to feel like my destroy ending is okay except for fucking the Geth (Bioware didn't mind fucking me, so why should I mind fucking something fictional (double entendre, lol)).
I guess I'm still on the last stage, and since they left with no conclusion I can fill in the blanks as I wish.
I just am deeply disappointed they trashed the universe. A sad ending would not have been bad, although not exactly what I wanted. I am sad because we got a bad ending.
I like 1 the best, always have, probably always will. I recognize it is a very different animal from 2 and 3. When I did a playthrough over the last month it took me a couple of days to get into ME2's play style. ME1 really lacked sophistication in combat, but I still liked the combat, and it had so much more to offer. I therefore rank them separately, but 3 was close to a tie for most of the game, despite some minor disappointments along the way.
To hate
To rage
To saying, I don't believe Indoctrination, but I hope they use that or find another way to write out of this hole they dug themselves into.
To enjoying the memes
To feeling, okay that is it I guess?
To feeling, well I'll just pretend my ending is it
To feeling, no I don't think I can trick myself into doing that
To trying to feel like my destroy ending is okay except for fucking the Geth (Bioware didn't mind fucking me, so why should I mind fucking something fictional (double entendre, lol)).
I guess I'm still on the last stage, and since they left with no conclusion I can fill in the blanks as I wish.
I just am deeply disappointed they trashed the universe. A sad ending would not have been bad, although not exactly what I wanted. I am sad because we got a bad ending.
I like 1 the best, always have, probably always will. I recognize it is a very different animal from 2 and 3. When I did a playthrough over the last month it took me a couple of days to get into ME2's play style. ME1 really lacked sophistication in combat, but I still liked the combat, and it had so much more to offer. I therefore rank them separately, but 3 was close to a tie for most of the game, despite some minor disappointments along the way.
I thought he thought it was bad but not so bad as to justify the reactions? Actually, I kinda feel like that now, I've mostly moved on and just find it amusing to follow the backlash.I remember EC mocking the hatred for the ending in the OT
And how he's flipped around. What a twist!
ALTERNATIVELY: Man, seeing the three endings are essentially the same can sour anyone's opinion of the endings even further.
EDIT: How'd I forget those two essential words?
EatChildren
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I was less phased by the ending due to the low standed the bitching set, and 'ruins the entire series' are feelings I still don't share. But the more I've thought about it the more sour I've become, largely due to how much potential was missed, and how little it lives ip to the series promises. That and the dumb writing.
EmCeeGramr
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a tholushion mutht be found. the cruthible provideth new pothibilitieth. the latht metroid ith in captivity. the galakthy ith at peath.
3>1>2
Mass Effect had a great story, music, and was the introduction to the universe, but the gameplay was abysmal.
Mass Effect 2 improved the gameplay a lot but sacrificed RPG features. Also the main plot takes a back seat for more universe building.
Mass Effect 3 is pretty much the most well rounded. Gameplay is a lot better, more RPG features, main plot was some of the best in the series(up til last 10 minutes of course).
Mass Effect had a great story, music, and was the introduction to the universe, but the gameplay was abysmal.
Mass Effect 2 improved the gameplay a lot but sacrificed RPG features. Also the main plot takes a back seat for more universe building.
Mass Effect 3 is pretty much the most well rounded. Gameplay is a lot better, more RPG features, main plot was some of the best in the series(up til last 10 minutes of course).
Freeza Under The Shower
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I remember EC mocking the hatred for the ending in the OT
And how he's flipped around. What a twist!
It was inevitable.
It's silly how didn't script Harbinger because they couldn't get his VA. I mean, is dark, brooding, thundering voice really that hard to reproduce? I can't imagine that to be so.
This is true. When you see how similar the endings are, which you can only do after the fact, it adds another layer of "wtf" to whatever your original reaction was.
Especially since they managed to get someone else to portray Mordin's idiosyncratic delivery.
rollingstart
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yeah, that's how I see it. It's partly why I go back and forth with ME1 and 2, but consider ME3 inferior to both.
this is kinda separate but I compare Tuchanka in ME2 to Surkesh or any area in ME3. There was time to go around, talk to krogans, learn about the race, and just do some light exploring. ME3 puts you on or near the asari, turian, and salarian worlds but barely gives you breathing room before it funnels you into the next shooting section. I was hoping ME3 would go back to areas like Noveria, but it went further in the wrong direction.
Captain Tuttle
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Wrong. This thread is setting people free.
The thing is you'll start to think about it more and more and say, but wait, why did this happen, and this and this, and heck, what was that all about... and then you get to the point in which you realize what it all means for the fiction and how it was conceived and especially what it really could have been and say fuck it! and you will come back here and we will receive you with open arms
Should have saved the last mission for tomorrow. 3am and I am sure I can't sleep now... perfect.
It's already happening, slowly but steady and I don't like it.
The thing is you'll start to think about it more and more and say, but wait, why did this happen, and this and this, and heck, what was that all about... and then you get to the point in which you realize what it all means for the fiction and how it was conceived and especially what it really could have been and say fuck it! and you will come back here and we will receive you with open arms
It's already happening, slowly but steady and I don't like it.
EmCeeGramr
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That's what they want you to think.
There is an ending where Shepard doesn't sacrifice herself? Huh...
Terra Firma
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You do realize that the flowchart is not based on the actual game? It is just what people would have wanted in the game, not what we got.
Empty Space
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I'm pretty sure the chart is all hypotheticals and what the creator thought would be a good way to end the game. The charts has all the system checks and outcomes.
Freeza Under The Shower
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You hadn't actually finished it yet until just now?
Not doing to do the whole harbinger-quote-goes-here to your 'conversion' though.
Man. Even the renegade version has a really strong moment, however despicable renegade Shep acts, Mordin just shines.
Oh, I thought the fella was referring a fan made the chart not that it is just 'fan made"
Ok, got it, no wonder I was confused on that, lol
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Not true. Speculation leads to denial (you thought the other endings would be different), then to anger( when you saw they are no different at all), then to indoctrination theory/bargaining ( you just need something to believe in), to depression (realizinh the hours and choices you did mentioned shit), to speculation/anger (wondering how the fuck the game went shitty)
To be free, we have to be free of mind
Unfortunately due to the nature of the story I was fully anticipating this. The end of galactic civilization as you know it isn't the best time to leisurely explore, especially on homeworlds that will be a primary target for Reapers. I was kind of astonished we had the Citadel through (most) of the game.
EDIT: Although I guess if they could've merely predicted the time the Reapers would roughly arrive and they only pop up for the climax that would've been a way to keep multiple hubs for exploration. Ah well.
I don't have a problem with that actually, as it was all declared in London before the last push.
Captain Tuttle
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Quick edit!
I'd rather be free and angry then to live a lie and think the ending was good.
EmCeeGramr
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What, the part where they slowly starve to death on a jungle planet?
I never believed the indoctrination crap. I'm better than all of you. ಠ_ಠ
My Shep doesn't fall for such nonsense. (But he fell into the lasers! Damn it!)
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