Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFnxMzK3CTQ
Hah, Steve and Shepard dancing made me lol for some reason, such bad dancing.
Hah, Steve and Shepard dancing made me lol for some reason, such bad dancing.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
It is, but some of my characters are pretty boring by the books kinds of people. Little in the way of charisma. It makes some of the game challenging.
In the words of the illustrious Mac Walters, it's not the destination that matters, but the journey that brings you there.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
CNN had a report about VG, and they called Mass Effect a shooter. I had to lol, because from what i read on GAF, that´s partially true.
I've had options for paragon which come after renegade, so sometimes not hitting them when they appear may lead to a different arch.
But I play 100% paragon so my opinion shouldn't matter.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The Mass Effect 3 ending makes you feel like that guy who died racing to the South Pole only to find out he was already beaten there by his rival. You get no time to enjoy the fruits of your labor because of your immediate and utter disappointment.
LightofRohan
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If the first DLC mission they release is some random Shepard mission (ex. taking back Omega) would you buy it? I'd love to experience more stories ect, but I don't think I could until the ending is addressed; either full confirm they wont add to it or confirm they will.
Disheveled_Zen
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If they say they will change/fix the ending then yes, if not, no.
OpinionatedCyborg
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yeah... in ME2, I spoke to my crewmen after every mission.... in ME3, I actively avoided EDI and Joker both in the ship and on the Citadel. I think i encouraged him at one point to go get some robot poontang but after that... fuck it. never brought EDI on missions except the required ones too. don't like see her with her tits hanging out. if I had the power to, I would've changed her outfit/ejected her off the ship for that wardrobe. come to think of it, I don't approve of romances going on on my ship either. yeah, my shepard is a fucking hard ass.
Lovely.
EDIT: How do they fix the ending? With stargeezer, joker on some planet and shepard 'alive' somehow...where the fuck do they go?
INDOCTRINATION
Empty Space
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Lovely.
EDIT: How do they fix the ending? With stargeezer, joker on some planet and shepard 'alive' somehow...where the fuck do they go?
Clearly the irony was not lost on a programmer.
I'm sure this is old news to most of you guys but here is an awesome video of Mark Meer behind the scenes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbpy4a5beZA&feature=related
Who knew he did all of the Vorcha and a good number of the Volus as well. I know people are split between the Shepard VAs, but it seems like both Meer and Hale have quite a bit of range when it comes to the voices they can perform.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbpy4a5beZA&feature=related
Who knew he did all of the Vorcha and a good number of the Volus as well. I know people are split between the Shepard VAs, but it seems like both Meer and Hale have quite a bit of range when it comes to the voices they can perform.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Give it time to simmer as all those who have come before you. It will get progressively worse as time goes on.
Except for the end, which has enraged a few.
This is the depression setting in.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Just finished reading Final Hours.
Dear lord, that is some depressing, depressing shit.
I can see why they left out the conversation with the Catalyst, but... everything else was just.... they actually thought they were making High Art. Something that would change the very industry.
Mac Walters' writing process.... oh my God... what.... I can't even....
It confirms what I've thought for a long time: that BioWare gives their writers way too much authority.
Dear lord, that is some depressing, depressing shit.
I can see why they left out the conversation with the Catalyst, but... everything else was just.... they actually thought they were making High Art. Something that would change the very industry.
Mac Walters' writing process.... oh my God... what.... I can't even....
It confirms what I've thought for a long time: that BioWare gives their writers way too much authority.
After the rage comics, Dietz brought joy to the world. Plus, not that many people read the books. I don't think we can say the same for Walters.
Would you mind making a few screenshots? I'd like some clean images for the collection.
Empty Space
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If my asshole room mate lets me use his iPad tomorrow I will post some, but there's nothing really hilarious in there except for the original design doc. They basically wanted make a mainstream Phantasy Star Online. Even if they didn't realize it at the time. I should emphasize the word mainstream since it shows up in the image like six times.
EmCeeGramr
Member
One of the best ideas I've read for a missed opportunity: a fake Shepard (a hallucination or Cerberus clone/android/VI, or indoctrination thing) that takes the opposite stance as you on the biggest choices and mocks you for them.
To be fair, the majority of the writing in ME3 was great. Yes there was some cheesy dialogue here and there and yes, there was some fanservice with EDI and Joker, but for the most part, I was entirely satisfied with the story arcs with the Genophage, Rannoch, and Thessia. Even most of the dialogue is memorable (Garrus on the Citadel, emergency induction port). I feel bad for the writers who penned the various arcs have much of their work overshadowed by the horrific creation of Walters and Hudson. It is apparent that some people on the team understood what the fan's wanted and what worked within the confines of the game's universe and some just had no idea what they were doing.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
That's basically Kai Leng.
I don't necessarily want things that are hilarious per se, just things that are as HP_Wuvcraft said, "depressing, depressing shit." The Catalyst/high level stuff, would be nice. Also, a better version of the sketch with The Matrix and Shep's essence.
That mainstream image would be okay, too.
He'll never outlive his infamy.
LightofRohan
Member
If Bioware does a HD/polished version of Mass Effect 1. Everything will be forgiven.
HD? Wasn't it released on the 360, which is technically HD. There's also the PC port, for which there are a few mods.
It would be nice if someone could hack/speed up the loading.
Oh man. ME1 with ME3's engine and gameplay would be amazing.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
To counter that though, very few games will have as much fan investment and strong focus on a story as Mass Effect does to warrant this kind of outcry over a botched ending, no matter how badly its received.
I can't see Halo fans or Uncharted fans raising the same volume of rabble, simply because that's not what the basis of the game is.
Mass Effect is first and foremost, a series (based at least, transitioning with each game) based on choice and player input. Halo is a shooter, and Uncharted is a scripted thrill ride.
That would simultaneously be the most epic of trolls and have the potential for the greatest backlash ever.
Someone should politely ask Jessica Merizan on Twitter how long the "debate process" will take and how it transitions from general 'fan input' to more active discussion as is hinted by Priestly on the 'developers will eventually comment on the endings when more people have played the game.' Although that initial developer insight into the endings probably got shut down by the PR guys as soon as they realized the situation.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
I'm not sure if you are serious.
It won't be a victory if happens, it will be one of the worst things to happen to the industry in a long time. No one will try to do anything but a "safe" ending from now on. I'm honestly disgusted at some of the things people are saying and doing just because of some dissatisfaction over the ending. The false advertising injunction is especially asinine. It's practically getting to the point where I can't say I liked the game since everyone seems to forget that the rest of the game was fantastic. I loved discussing Mass Effect until the entire internet decided that the ending of ME3 is the worst thing ever it's not even fun to talk about any more. You don't see me saying that MGS2 should be remade since I didn't like the ending/story in that. I can still appreciate the excellent gameplay of it even though the narrative left a lot to be desired for me. I wouldn't mind if there was some actual discourse and reasoning behind it but I've only seen a couple people actually articulate reasons for not liking the ending that are actually valid as opposed to "this isn't what I wanted."
It's a good thing that no one disputes that the rest of the game is fantastic, and that the gameplay is awesome. That doesn't mean that the obviously rushed and incomplete ending is there. Something that runs contrary to all expectations set by the series, and all the developer comments made running up to release.
We all heart Bioware and the work they've done on ME, it's because we all love it so much that we're vocal.
We all heart Bioware and the work they've done on ME, it's because we all love it so much that we're vocal.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Lol, in retrospect, they probably would. Difference is that Microsoft or Naughty Dog aren't like Bioware in that they interact to fan decisions like Bioware has been known to do regarding single player DLC.
Multiplayer sure, I'd bet Halo's multiplayer support team blows ME3's out of the water, but single player? What you see is much more likely to be what you get.
SpectreFire
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Net_Wrecker
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This game...These endings...The lack of closure....My God, what did they do?
Destroying the mass relays...the explanation for the Reapers...the Normandy crashing....My God, WHAT did they do?
SPACE MAGIC...DESTROYING THE MASS RELAYS...THE EXPLANATION FOR THE REAPERS...MY GOD, WHAT DID THEY DO?
Ughh....
Squeaky clean, super paragon, "Shepard saves the day and becomes galactic messiah" and here's a 5 minute montage of what happens to everyone + a set up for DLC/sequel ending >>>>>>>>>>>> the ridiculous endings we got. It actually gets worse the more you think about it.
I don't even want DLC or a retcon to change this. Just start working on Mass Effect 4, make a new hero, set it in a different galaxy, and keep the cyclical "organic kill sweep by synthetics who were created by organics to stop organics from creating synthetics that will eventually kill all organics even though it's what we just did by creating these synthetics" stuff out of it.
Destroying the mass relays...the explanation for the Reapers...the Normandy crashing....My God, WHAT did they do?
SPACE MAGIC...DESTROYING THE MASS RELAYS...THE EXPLANATION FOR THE REAPERS...MY GOD, WHAT DID THEY DO?
Ughh....
Squeaky clean, super paragon, "Shepard saves the day and becomes galactic messiah" and here's a 5 minute montage of what happens to everyone + a set up for DLC/sequel ending >>>>>>>>>>>> the ridiculous endings we got. It actually gets worse the more you think about it.
I don't even want DLC or a retcon to change this. Just start working on Mass Effect 4, make a new hero, set it in a different galaxy, and keep the cyclical "organic kill sweep by synthetics who were created by organics to stop organics from creating synthetics that will eventually kill all organics even though it's what we just did by creating these synthetics" stuff out of it.
I don't think there was anything unsafe about this ending. In fact it was loosely put together and intended to not answer anything except for one or two things. That's odd, perplexing, and confusing for some people.
Social media has given fans the ability to voice their opinions loudly. If MGS2 were currently released, I think there would have been more complaints about Snake's absence than the narrative.
Would that have resulted in a revised game with Snake instead of Raiden? I doubt it. But then again patches and DLC weren't an option in 2001.
Welcome to the support group.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Empty will need to do it, since I just got home and my friends were letting me use their iPad in the car.
Reluctant-Hero
Member
I just completed the game and enjoyed the ending where I chose to destroy the Reapers. I am "The Shepard" an I drew a breathe after the citadel exploded.
What the fuck are proper complaining about?
What the fuck are proper complaining about?
Robot Pants
Member
If you had not chosen to destroy the reapers, you would get the same outcome but a different colored explosion.
Also Joker was running away for some reason. And your squadmates, by your side on Earth right at the end, teleported into the normandy somehow.
Also, a single mass relay can wipe out entire colonies. You destroyed them all, so the galaxy is completetly fucked.
Also, you can potentially stop the geth/quarian fight, but can offer no input on the 'inevitable' cycle of synthetics causing war.
I could go on.
If i was to boil it down its mostly more or less that every ending is pretty much like that with only some color swaps different between them..
That Bioware was dumb for introducing huge new ideas/concepts(ie casper/star child/ AI boy/whatever you want to call him) in the last five minutes when they should of been tying up all loose ends not adding more.
That the ending pretty much throw out any meaningful player control/choice at that point.
That any of your previous actions/decisions prior to getting to Earth had no noticeable effect on how it turned out.
I am sure I am missing some and that is definitely simplifying it, but that seems to be the general complaints i have noticed.
Shitton of plotholes
No closure
Literal deus ex machina that doesn't fit the themes or universe at all.
An Xzibit meme of a motive for the reapers.
Etc. etc.
Arjen
Member
There is plenty of stuff written why, but my main concerns.
How did the Normandy manage to pick up my 2 dead squadmates from earth and fly them to magical paradise?
There's now a giant fleet from various races orbiting earth awaiting a slow and painfull death.
Not to mention the absurdity of space casper.
Every ending is the same, you have no idea what is happening with those who you left behind, the galaxy is in a very bad state now and the normandy thing is just unlogical.
I wanted some closure, not more speculations.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
While I do think the ending sucked, I don't see the problem with the Catalyst. They did introduce him very early on in the Cold Open (or at least his model, if that's how you want to see it).
And I mean, I don't think it matters very much, introducing this new force at the very end of the trilogy. He's the reason the Reapers exist.
And I mean, I don't think it matters very much, introducing this new force at the very end of the trilogy. He's the reason the Reapers exist.
Reluctant-Hero
Member
Yikes, I'm a huge Mass Effect fan, but I have no issue with these "plot holes".
- Relay explosions
- Omnipotent force in the form of "the child"
- Normandy racing way from explosion only get sucked into a wormhole.
And all the other stuff. Bottom line: I saved the Galaxy, broke the cycle, and Liara lived. Fuck yeah.
- Relay explosions
- Omnipotent force in the form of "the child"
- Normandy racing way from explosion only get sucked into a wormhole.
And all the other stuff. Bottom line: I saved the Galaxy, broke the cycle, and Liara lived. Fuck yeah.
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