Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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I chose the synthesis ending, I am "The Shepard" etc. etc. etc.

I was okay with it all until the relays began to explode; my EXACT thoughts were something like, "Okay, so if I destroy the relays then pretty much the entirety of the galaxy is stuck in Sol...definitely don't want that so I'll synthesize."

Of course, they got destroyed anyway and I panicked (I know...literal emotion for a game...) because that is NOT what I chose.

I was then pulled right back in when the leaves began to glow blue with circuitry because I think that is a totally awesome concept.

And then I had another "wait...what?" Moment when Liara stepped out of the Normandy because that woman definitely should have died in the Hammer strike (her and Javik were my team throughout the entire game.

All in all? I'm confused. Did the wormhole open up a new dimension? Why weren't Joker and the team glowing blue with circuitry? What is this alien world? How come only 4-5 of my team seem to have made it?

I'd take an "extension" to the endings.


I had the exact same reactions lol.
 
Did anyone else feel that your core squad was the worst in the series?

By far. No Krogan? No Salarian? We get Ronnie from the jersey shore instead and a bunch of whiners minus Garrus who was cool. The only other decent guy was Javik but he was another $10.
 
I never got this line of reasoning. The character is ME. I'm not going to objectify my own avatar in this world in any sexual way, just like how I don't have plenty of pictures of my own naked ass to look at.

Some people don't play games that way, when I play Mass Effect I don't think for a single moment that Commander Shepard is me. I just see it as an interactive movie that I am watching and choosing which colour I want the end section to be.
 
So, other than the citadel, you never visit a city, do you? No noveria, omega, or anything. That bothered me.

Also, why was I not able to convince the illusive man to kill himself? Other than saving Morinth, I played the entire series as a Paragon, but I didn't get to do that option. I did every side quest, and had a full reputation and everything. Is this not possible on a first play through or something? I don't understand what I did wrong.
 
I'm an idiot because I have my own personal views of fem shep being a lead protagonist? You're not in anyway overreacting. Either way that is your right, but do take note that I have not called you a single name.

No you only maligned ~3 billion people, you are taking the high road that's for sure...
 
If I'm gonna stare at an ass for 35 hours I'd rather it be a woman's ass.

That's it.

The last thing I'm looking at is going to be Shepard.

I will admit, I'm slightly irked when people refer to Shepard as "she" because it feels as though they're trying to be different for the sake of being different. It's no big deal though, as long as their point gets across. I just ignore all the truly crazed femShep stuff.
 
I'm not sexist at all. Do you think there are any female MMA fighters who could beat John Jones? Or Rampage Jackson? Any female football players that could take on Ray Lewis? Any female Kung fu fighters who could have beaten Bruce Lee? These are all physical things that men are more suited for. Women can run circles around us in many things, but we are more suited for combat than they are. This is a fact and not even worth arguing. Keeping in mind, that there are always exceptions to the rules. I love women, I'm married to one. lol

I don't remember my shepard doing all that much hand to hand combat, making your argument pretty much pointless. It doesn't take a muscle bound alpha male to shoot a gun and have good combat instincts.
 
By "forced" I mean corny. No way does she head butt a Krogan and things of that nature. I could believe an Asari lead way before a human female lead. There is just too much at stake to have a "Regina Shepard" leading the fight.

Who the fuck are you to say what she can and can't do?

Please tell me you're not serious about this.
 
No you only maligned ~3 billion people, you are taking the high road that's for sure...
I maligned them by saying I doubt a female could head butt a Krogan? I'm sure the feminist movement will be up in arms once they read that. lol more like the fem shep movement. Fem shep stinks, get over it.
 
So, other than the citadel, you never visit a city, do you? No noveria, omega, or anything. That bothered me.

Also, why was I not able to convince the illusive man to kill himself? Other than saving Morinth, I played the entire series as a Paragon, but I didn't get to do that option. I did every side quest, and had a full reputation and everything. Is this not possible on a first play through or something? I don't understand what I did wrong.

Yeah, I had that too (I saved Samara tho). I also don't understand how Miranda died because I remember warning her about Kai Leng and Cerberus. Maybe it's because I couldn't be assed with the Firewalker missions in ME2.
 
So, other than the citadel, you never visit a city, do you? No noveria, omega, or anything. That bothered me.

Also, why was I not able to convince the illusive man to kill himself? Other than saving Morinth, I played the entire series as a Paragon, but I didn't get to do that option. I did every side quest, and had a full reputation and everything. Is this not possible on a first play through or something? I don't understand what I did wrong.

It seems you need to be either 100% paragon or 100% renegade.

Seems pretty bullshit cause 100% one way or another is pretty lame. I was about 80% paragon and the other 20% renegade lead to some awesome actions in the story.
 
I maligned them by saying I doubt a female could head butt a Krogan? I'm sure the feminist movement will be up in arms once they read that. lol more like the fem shep movement. Fem shep stinks, get over it.

She's no different to me, gameplaywise, other than a difference of romance options. Shepard's voice-acting is usually background noise in my mind.
 
It seems you need to be either 100% paragon or 100% renegade.

Seems pretty bullshit cause 100% one way or another is pretty lame. I was about 80% paragon and the other 20% renegade lead to some awesome actions in the story.

But didn't helping Liara in ME2 give you some Renegade points?
 
I quite liked EDI and Vega was a lot better than expected, good voice actor. Kaidan was a wasted spot, and I never got Tali, could have used more variety.
 
So with EA shutting down some multiplayer servers. Whenever it comes time to shutdown ME's multiplayer, I wonder if it'll just be impossible to get the Shepard lives ending.
 
Question: What happened to all the people on the citadel? Did they get killed by the reapers? I can't recall anyone mentioning their fate. When you enter the citadel after you've been knocked unconscious by the reaper attack, you see a lot of dead bodies but I thought those were humans from earth.
 
So with EA shutting down some multiplayer servers. Whenever it comes time to shutdown ME's multiplayer, I wonder if it'll just be impossible to get the Shepard lives ending.

Yeah, how will you be able to get the galactic readiness up if you ever want to replay the game?

sigh. I really loved this game up until going into the citadel to see the illusive man. then everything went to pieces.
 
I was always taking EDI with me on mission because her power were very versatil but her quotes were so bland.

Javik so interesting but not that fun.

And there was Garrus to save the day as usual. I miss Mordin, Thane or Legion...
 
Question: What happened to all the people on the citadel? Did they get killed by the reapers? I can't recall anyone mentioning their fate. When you enter the citadel after you've been knocked unconscious by the reaper attack, you see a lot of dead bodies but I thought those were humans from earth.

I assumed those were everyone on the Citadel, most likely the Reapers just vented the place and killed everyone.
 
"It's the journey that matters"
1. "The space magic is nonsense, but all the game is sci fi nonsense as well, so it's ok"
2. "I'm not a crazy person that dissects everything that happens in the game, like you crazy people"
3. "You are probably supposed to hate the endings anyway"
4. "There IS choice, you choose red, green or blue, duh"
5. "I didn't need to think through what happens after I choose an ending, I just think that it matters because what I chose during the game matters"
6. "It's better than just ambiguously fading to black with no answer at all" (well, no shit)

I found it really hard to agree with almost anything he said.

Just to elaborate on this (even though some of it is taken out of context).

1. Ok sci-fi/fantasy requires you to put up with some bullshit in order to follow the story and this sometimes leads to plotholes in the long run, depending how much time you invest in the 'universe'. However, it is basic storytelling 101 that you NEVER shoe horn a character in a story at the last possible second and then give him exposition the main character can't refute without and expect the audience to be ok with that. It just never works well (see The Matrix: Reloaded).

2. Listen, I am lax on story as well in games. As long as I have fun who cares, right? That being said there are even moments I was playing at the end and I just raised my brow at what bullshit they were shoveling at me. The key example here being the 'Xzibit' paradox, aka, building sythetics to harvest advanced races so synthetics won't kill...advanced races...
I don't see how anyone could have run this PAST the editing department. It is like someone had a mini-stroke when writing that and they just let it pass. I can understand missing a point stated a few games/novels/movies ago but you don't often see something that contradicts itself in the same god damn sentence. The best example I can think of this is the Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen math when 5 Decepticons go under water 1 is killed to revive another and 6 come out of the water. A lot has already been said about Shepard never accepting this and the geth (synthetic) peace example so I won't dive any further into this.

3. Well mission fucking accomplished. If you want to be a Debbie Downer for no reason at least make the ending make sense AND COMMIT TO IT. None of this Normandy surviving on a stranded planet bullshit or the Earth being saved when in reality the people on earth and almost all the aliens there are doomed to die a horrible death. And if Shepard has to die in the good ending as well as the bad endings then so be it. I wish I had a good example of a sudden tonal shift ruining something but I am drawing a blank at the moment.

4. No there is ONE ending with very slight variations and the exact same ramifications at the end. That is not even getting into the details on why ANY of the endings would make sense. One has a dead Shepard controlling the Reapers the other has the Reapers just leaving because synthetics and organics are now one for whatever reason despite that not being physically possible in the first place and the laughable idea that this is the 'apex' of evolution. My choice destroy, seemed to be the lesser of 3 evils so I chose that but it still made no sense because it destroyed all synthetics including the geth which made no sense, what would be the ramifications if I theoretically blew up all machines? How would destroying synthetics and building new ones still doom us (this goes back the the Xzibit paradox)? I could go into more depth but this would require me to put way more thought into the endings than I would like.

5. The 'it is all about the journey' excuse doesn't fly here. Why? Because almost every choice you can make pretty much goes against everything you have done up to that point making everyone's sacrifices pointless. Again a lot has been said about this so I won't go into it any further.

6. Is it? I mean if they wanted speculation then why the fuck not. The taste the rainbow endings are the visual equivalent of fading to black anyway with no wrap up (aside from Buzz Aldrin's awful VA) and no closure on what happened to any of our heroes. At least with the Sopranoes most people can say with confidence Tony died when the series ended (since the series ends when he 'ends') but we don't even get that with Shepard. Instead we get a half-hearted teaser with a breath in one or two endings which ultimately means nothing with the ramifications of the endings dooming humanity anyway.

Sorry I wrote so much on the subject but I just wanted to give my two cents on the topic before I went back to joking around.
 
Javik on Surkesh.

Wrex: I prefer my salarian liver raw
Javik: It's true, it was a delicacy in my cycle.

Better:

Javik: Blah blah blah, you are arrogant Krogan asshole.
Wreav: And what are you?"
Javik: Prothean.
Wreav: Oh yeah? And how many of YOU are left?
Javik: Enough to kill you.
 
I maligned them by saying I doubt a female could head butt a Krogan? I'm sure the feminist movement will be up in arms once they read that. lol more like the fem shep movement. Fem shep stinks, get over it.

Whether or not you like femshep is pretty irrelavant at this point. More like you cannot handle the thought of a woman in a military leadership position. This is entirely your failing.
 
So with EA shutting down some multiplayer servers. Whenever it comes time to shutdown ME's multiplayer, I wonder if it'll just be impossible to get the Shepard lives ending.

The only reason they linked the EMS to MP was to try to force as many people as possible to by the game new and not used to get the online pass keys. If they ever do discontinue the server, they better damn well patch the game to ensure that I can still go in with 100% readiness without needed MP.
 
Just to elaborate on this (even though some of it is taken out of context).

1. Ok sci-fi/fantasy requires you to put up with some bullshit in order to follow the story and this sometimes leads to plotholes in the long run, depending how much time you invest in the 'universe'. However, it is basic storytelling 101 that you NEVER shoe horn a character in a story at the last possible second and then give him exposition the main character can't refute without and expect the audience to be ok with that. It just never works well (see The Matrix: Reloaded).

2. Listen, I am lax on story as well in games. As long as I have fun who cares, right? That being said there are even moments I was playing at the end and I just raised my brow at what bullshit they were shoveling at me. The key example here being the 'Xzibit' paradox, aka, building sythetics to harvest advanced races so synthetics won't kill...advanced races...
I don't see how anyone could have run this PAST the editing department. It is like someone had a mini-stroke when writing that and they just let it pass. I can understand missing a point stated a few games/novels/movies ago but you don't often see something that contradicts itself in the same god damn sentence. The best example I can think of this is the Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen math when 5 Decepticons go under water 1 is killed to revive another and 6 come out of the water. A lot has already been said about Shepard never accepting this and the geth (synthetic) peace example so I won't dive any further into this.

3. Well mission fucking accomplished. If you want to be a Debbie Downer for no reason at least make the ending make sense AND COMMIT TO IT. None of this Normandy surviving on a stranded planet bullshit or the Earth being saved when in reality the people on earth and almost all the aliens there are doomed to die a horrible death. And if Shepard has to die in the good ending as well as the bad endings then so be it. I wish I had a good example of a sudden tonal shift ruining something but I am drawing a blank at the moment.

4. No there is ONE ending with very slight variations and the exact same ramifications at the end. That is not even getting into the details on why ANY of the endings would make sense. One has a dead Shepard controlling the Reapers the other has the Reapers just leaving because synthetics and organics are now one for whatever reason despite that not being physically possible in the first place and the laughable idea that this is the 'apex' of evolution. My choice destroy, seemed to be the lesser of 3 evils so I chose that but it still made no sense because it destroyed all synthetics including the geth which made no sense, what would be the ramifications if I theoretically blew up all machines? How would destroying synthetics and building new ones still doom us (this goes back the the Xzibit paradox)? I could go into more depth but this would require me to put way more thought into the endings than I would like.

5. The 'it is all about the journey' excuse doesn't fly here. Why? Because almost every choice you can make pretty much goes against everything you have done up to that point making everyone's sacrifices pointless. Again a lot has been said about this so I won't go into it any further.

6. Is it? I mean if they wanted speculation then why the fuck not. The taste the rainbow endings are the visual equivalent of fading to black anyway with no wrap up (aside from Buzz Aldrin's awful VA) and no closure on what happened to any of our heroes. At least with the Sopranoes most people can say with confidence Tony died when the series ended (since the series ends when he 'ends') but we don't even get that with Shepard. Instead we get a half-hearted teaser with a breath in one or two endings which ultimately means nothing with the ramifications of the endings dooming humanity anyway.

Sorry I wrote so much on the subject but I just wanted to give my two cents on the topic before I went back to joking around.

Very good two cents. I couldn't agree more.
 
Yeah, I had that too (I saved Samara tho). I also don't understand how Miranda died because I remember warning her about Kai Leng and Cerberus. Maybe it's because I couldn't be assed with the Firewalker missions in ME2.
You need to do her loyalty mission in ME2, read Kai Leng's dossier and warn her about him at the Spectre Terminal, meet her in the apartments in the Citadel and give her access to alliance resources, and then lastly in the conversation with her father you need to chose either the Renegade or Paragon option while talking to him.

There's a lot of little things that have to be done just to save her(and those decisions span multiple games). That's one thing Bioware did amazing in ME3, a lot of your decisions mattered throughout the game; and then came the ending...
 
I quite liked EDI and Vega was a lot better than expected, good voice actor. Kaidan was a wasted spot, and I never got Tali, could have used more variety.
Ya I grew to tolerate Vega and then around the end started to actually somewhat like his character. He got better as the game went on for sure! EDI. I am still not sure what to think. I liked some bits of her story and comments and didn't like others.
Admittedly I just wanted Bailey on my team.
 
The only reason they linked the EMS to MP was to try to force as many people as possible to by the game new and not used to get the online pass keys. If they ever do discontinue the server, they better damn well patch the game to ensure that I can still go in with 100% readiness without needed MP.
What's the point though? Just to get the clip where Shep gasps for air? If they purposefully didn't want people to get 4000+ EMS without MP or the apps, they're not going to change anything.

Speculation over, time to discuss which gender is the superior commander.
I like manShep. That is all.
 
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