Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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Pancakes R Us
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I love this love hate relationship with SK. Weren't their last few projects a string of bad games? Funny how there's so much hype about a potential ED2. I loved the first game, but trying to do a second play-through, the controls were too clunky to bother.
JoshuaJSlone
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Funny thing is, being DD might make such a thing more likely. Looking at that Beyond3D list of rendering resolutions, 1920x1080 seems more common on PSN downloadables than PS3 disc games. I guess the simpler sort of projects that become downloadables aren't pushing fifty shaders and don't find themselves retreating as much from max resolution to make ends meet.I still want native 1080p Hi-Ten Bomberman! Higher resolution than the original Caravan version from '93-'94. That would be amazing on Wii U.
93-94 version of Hi-Ten
Even if it's DD only, I just want it.
SquiddyCracker
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So the Wii U will be on-par with current gen according to the other thread.
I knew I shouldn't have believed the rumour spreaders in this one ;_;
I knew I shouldn't have believed the rumour spreaders in this one ;_;
herzogzwei1989
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I'm satisifed by the shakey-cam video of the bird demo and the Zelda demo. Relax, W ii U is going to be better than XB360 and PS3.
Maybe they didn't have the most up to date kit.....IdeaMan you want to weigh in on this?
Maybe they didn't have the most up to date kit.....IdeaMan you want to weigh in on this?
well with stuff like smash bros 4 going to 3ds and wiiu, it shouldn't have been that big a surprise.
i think next gen is going to be more about optimization all-around. no way will sony let the vita be tied down to the ps3 when they can try and push the mobility aspect of the platform when the ps4 comes around. that means not making that system too much more powerful than the current gen... unless their plan for the vita was for it to have a quick and early death all along.
i think next gen is going to be more about optimization all-around. no way will sony let the vita be tied down to the ps3 when they can try and push the mobility aspect of the platform when the ps4 comes around. that means not making that system too much more powerful than the current gen... unless their plan for the vita was for it to have a quick and early death all along.
Perhaps their plan for the Vita was for it to be Japan's PS4, so to speak.
jump_button
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NO how many more times lol where this BS coming from Big N really need to show somthing
Even if it is which I doubt it will be. Just look at Wii and what nintendo got out of that. If nintendo could make SMG from year 2000 hardware
imagine what it could do with 06 hardwareNO how many more times lol where this BS coming from Big N really need to show somthing
Because the guys from Virgil says it is :O (From that other thread)
That was already discussed yesterday in this thread, it should not be taken literally for obvious reasons. Well obvious to anyone who's been keeping at all up to date with this thread anyway.
WiiU will be more powerful than 360 or PS3, that's simply a fact. Everyone should just accept it and move on to discussing how much more powerful it is.
Thrillhouse
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I remember the same kind of omptimism around the Wii/revolution. The consensus back then seemed to be that it wouldn't be on par with xbox 360/Ps3, but that it would a big improvement over xbox/ps2/gc. That seems to be what most people think about the Wii U and remembering how it all turned out, I fear that history is bound to repeat itself.
These days it's always better to expect the worst from a Nintendo system. Fans should think about it this way: is it better to potentially set yourself up for disappointment, or be pleasantly surprised if the system exceeds your low expectations?
I'm always surprised at the over the top optimism I see in threads like these. You'd think after DS, Wii and 3DS, people would learn.
herzogzwei1989
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Wasn't the lighting in the Zelda demo already beyond what the XB360/PS3 can put out?
Yes, just as the lighting in Super Mario Galaxy is better than what GCN/PS2/XBOX were putting out. It doesn't mean you should expect that from a typical Wii U game.
Tech demo.
Yeah I'm pretty much keeping my hype down. It's why I really dont take to Ideaman's stuff. Just seems to hopeful :/
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Deleted member 10571
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For one room to be rendered, with no KI, background and physics? Hardly.
Phonomezer
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I'm so confused. Hurry up E3!
jump_button
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Maybe Big N should ban all ports to help set them apart from the current generation
Yeah I mean I'm going to buy the system regardless of all this spec babble. It's all meaningless if the games are awesome.
But I think Nintendo is finding themselves in a weird position right now.
Their stocks plummeted after the Wii U was revealed last E3.
Their investors getting pissed, telling Nintendo to make games for iOS and smartphones.
Analysts like Pachter, Forbes, and other business/financial publications saying Wii U is dead on arrival, and old outdated technology.
Gamers doubting Nintendo's ability to make a good online service.
Industry wondering if Wii U will handle next gen 3rd party games. Gamers wondering if console is future proof for the next 5 years.
People worrying controller will be overpriced.
3DS launch bombs without good launch titles and expensive price which puts more pressure on Wii U.
I think Nintendo has a lot of critics to address at E3 which will make their conference even more interesting. They need to prove the critics wrong so the Wii U doesn't get bad negative press before it launches. That's why I think Nintendo will surprise people.
Because they have no choice. If they don't surprise us with amazing stuff, the thing will flop hard. So I'm excited.
Exactly. Remember this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBtAvX4Pkyk
Turned out that Gamecube was capable of more than that. Much more than that.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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So the number of third-party games released for the system would be about two per year.
Is it really people though If devs are saying it's on par with this gen? I know you guys said you discussed it in here. But not many people dare come in here they can only go by what devs say :/
Phonomezer
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That'd be a bold move ... >_>
This has been discussed to death, but that demo looks awful because of the bad art. Also Wind waker was so different in style that it's hard to compare them. And now we have actual developer input on this matter which is why I am somewhat concerned.
If people used critical thinking skills, they'd probably look at the contradictory statements from the same developer - one of them from a technical director and the other from someone who admits to not really knowing about hardware - and say "okay, well we might as well just wait a bit more to see what other developers say about it, preferably after all the NDA's drop".
But no, it has to be "No, no! You fanboys are just clinging to things now, clearly the most likely outcome is that the hardware has been downgraded. This is news guys! It's established now!"
Not surprising, but the carnival of stupid has to be pointed out as being so.
jump_button
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:/ not really they ports and 3rd partys==========================> 1st party
and they do need to do something to set themself apart they not going to do that with ports
Dude, don't be so defensive about Nintendo.
I think when E3 comes, Nintendo will find a way to leave people more confused and curious about the Wii U's power and specs.
Looking at screenshots/videos of games at E3 won't give a full picture of the console's power. I mean compare 360 year 1 games to 2012 360 games.
We may not even know the console's specs until after the console launches. They'll try to hide that information to keep away any negativity about the console.
Looking at screenshots/videos of games at E3 won't give a full picture of the console's power. I mean compare 360 year 1 games to 2012 360 games.
We may not even know the console's specs until after the console launches. They'll try to hide that information to keep away any negativity about the console.
Phonomezer
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Woosh!
Oh yeah, I definitely don't take to vague teasing from supposed insiders in the lead-up to Nintendo consoles.
Nintendo fanboys are a crazy bunch. Anyone remember Aries?
No offense to IdeaMan if he's the real deal, but I've seen too much shit to just buy stuff like that without a second thought.
I have no doubt Nintendo's games will exceed it. Right now they're not a company that care about tech spec dick waving, and their tech demos have never been more impressive than their actual software output.
Excellently put.
What I'm most looking to from Nintendo this E3 are signs of a clear vision that could differentiate the system and drive it for years to come. They can't just roll on with the obvious 'Wii 2' strategy they revealed last year and which the entire industry expects. The greatest strength of Iwata's Nintendo is its ability to strike the targets the other majors couldn't even see. Let's see if they have the vision and clarity of marketplace analysis to do it again.
I wonder if it's because this thread is big? People just feel this thread is only for Nintendo fans .
Yep, my point was just to not judge the console in any direction by the demo. I personally didn't think it was all that impressive and Nintendo will top the art style by tenfold.
That's a strange way of creating barrier.
There are posters here that know their shit.
And we have the worst leaker ever!
MadOdorMachine
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Kind of like how Wii is more powerful than Xbox? It can happen again. I honestly think a 3DS to PSP comparison is better. I'm not happy with it, but that's what I'm expecting.
SquiddyCracker
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But what if more powerful is only enough for 360/PS3 visuals, but with the tablet screen also putting out some graphics?
I used to be a believer, but it makes more and more sense that the Wii U won't theoretically be able to essentially output all current gen games at 1080P/60.
We might not even get 720/30 :/
The fact is that the box is pretty tiny.
The controller is pretty expensive.
Nintendo won't be a splurger, and will go for a cheaper console so as to not make too big losses.
No offense, but that's on them. I'm pretty much a game fan and not a fan of any console company, but I still drop in, read, and post in this thread because there are some interesting points even if I don't agree with them all.
I just find it frustrating that it seems like so many people simply want them to fail (like people jumped out of the woodwork in the other thread just to say "I told you so". This is why I don't get into the Vita threads because so many people talking about the system is gonna die or it's doomed. There is simply no way the Wii U is going to be just "on par" with the current generation. People who don't want to believe that maybe don't want to jump into this thread. But the real question is how much is the difference? There's no way we'll know that for sure until we get more information.
Thrillhouse
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On the other hand, and this has been discussed before aswell, the huge leap between PS360 and last gen was mainly due to HD, the "revolution" of modern shaders and effects like normal mapping. The Wii U will feature these and the only thing PS4/720 can improve on is polycount and and better tessellation, wich ofc will make a difference, but not on the same level as this generation. Unless someone invents tech that isn't even in Pixar movies yet.
Cerebral Assassin
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Twilight Princess has a similar style to that demo & looked better.
If you read my posts carefully, the expectations are kept in check rather than pushed over-the-top. It was one of my goal actually, narrow the range of the anticipated Wii U power. It isn't "on par" with current gen HD. It isn't in a v4 dev kit context (and apparently in the v5 one also) a full generational leap, 6x the xbox360 in all areas. Not my fault if after every paraphrasing/rewording/10 repetition of my info, some people are distorting these.
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I can't intervene every time a post or a thread state that the Wii U is underpowered (because being equal to current gen HD is underpowered), it's exhausting
Just type ideaman in the search tool and you'll see what is my stance about that. TLDR: the Wii U wasn't on par with Xbox360 in a V4 dev kit context, tech-wise.
Now, if you read carefully my message about resolution, one week ago, in fact, i explained in advance the situation that could arise for third-parties ports, for a lot of reasons (ports, impressions before the latest dev kits were available to them, use of the padlet, lot of room for improvements here and there, etc. etc.).
I think i even said that if someone (not a techie/artist, so a game director like the Vigil one can holds this role) compare directly, TV to TV, a Xbox360 game, and the Wii U port, he could say in this specific context that i so much stressed on, that both versions are roughly "on par", with in reality an edge for the Wii U one, but not like a "PC on full Ultra options, 1080p". It doesn't exclude the possibility that Darksiders 2 Wii U have smoother framerate, better textures, etc. A lot of people can't really discern at first sight the difference between medium and high textures in some PC games for example (or viewing distance, etc.), but with time, they'll see it. The last part is just speculation, an explanation of how someone from Vigil can say "on par". And this is heavily related to the studio choices also (maybe they want to use their limited resources primarily on the Wii U new control schemes, and will see for the graphics later, or even decide to not touch this to an extent that you'll say "it's clearly a more advanced version visually"). It could be the engine/way to control the image quality in their project, a lot of multi-ports (PC/PS360) are far from frostbite 2 stretching, even with the options set on High on your beast computer, what is displayed doesn't distinguish itself so much that its console counterpart, you have to change yourself some files, apply via graphic card drivers or other method tons of AA/textures filtering, etc, to really spot a great difference, and i think Darksiders 1 is like that. It could be related to marketing/PR stuff, the game isn't released yet and they are presenting/promoting it in a lot of medias right now, if they say "the Wii U version will be more beautiful", they could shoot themselves in the foot for their current gen sales, a non-negligible part of people waiting for this title could decide to wait for the Wii U one.
Clearly, i don't understand why some people are panicking because of this since yesterday.
If you read my posts carefully, the expectations are kept in check rather than pushed over-the-top. It was one of my goal actually, narrow the range of the anticipated Wii U power. It isn't "on par" with current gen HD. It isn't in a v4 dev kit context (and apparently in the v5 one also) a full generational leap, 6x the xbox360 in all areas. Not my fault if after every paraphrasing/rewording/10 repetition of my info, some people are distorting these.
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I can't intervene every time a post or a thread state that the Wii U is underpowered (because being equal to current gen HD is underpowered), it's exhausting
Just type ideaman in the search tool and you'll see what is my stance about that. TLDR: the Wii U wasn't on par with Xbox360 in a V4 dev kit context, tech-wise.
Now, if you read carefully my message about resolution, one week ago, in fact, i explained in advance the situation that could arise for third-parties ports, for a lot of reasons (ports, impressions before the latest dev kits were available to them, use of the padlet, lot of room for improvements here and there, etc. etc.).
I think i even said that if someone (not a techie/artist, so a game director like the Vigil one can holds this role) compare directly, TV to TV, a Xbox360 game, and the Wii U port, he could say in this specific context that i so much stressed on, that both versions are roughly "on par", with in reality an edge for the Wii U one, but not like a "PC on full Ultra options, 1080p". It doesn't exclude the possibility that Darksiders 2 Wii U have smoother framerate, better textures, etc. A lot of people can't really discern at first sight the difference between medium and high textures in some PC games for example (or viewing distance, etc.), but with time, they'll see it. The last part is just speculation, an explanation of how someone from Vigil can say "on par". And this is heavily related to the studio choices also (maybe they want to use their limited resources primarily on the Wii U new control schemes, and will see for the graphics later, or even decide to not touch this to an extent that you'll say "it's clearly a more advanced version visually"). It could be the engine/way to control the image quality in their project, a lot of multi-ports (PC/PS360) are far from frostbite 2 stretching, even with the options set on High on your beast computer, what is displayed doesn't distinguish itself so much that its console counterpart, you have to change yourself some files, apply via graphic card drivers or other method tons of AA/textures filtering, etc, to really spot a great difference, and i think Darksiders 1 is like that. It could be related to marketing/PR stuff, the game isn't released yet and they are presenting/promoting it in a lot of medias right now, if they say "the Wii U version will be more beautiful", they could shoot themselves in the foot for their current gen sales, a non-negligible part of people waiting for this title could decide to wait for the Wii U one.
Clearly, i don't understand why some people are panicking because of this since yesterday.
Can you please clarify in one sentence or even one word....Is Wii U...in your opinion...a small...medium...or large jump in specs from the Xbox 360 without considering the controller's screen. Just the visuals on the tv screen.
I feel like when you post a wall of text, it confuses a lot of people because they misunderstand certain things you are saying lol. So it would be better just to post one sentence or two sentences to get it in people's skulls better.
For the wall of text, it was possible explanations of the Vigil comment from yesterday.
For the power, i wrote 50 clear 1-liners with bold and underlined texts stating that the Wii U will not be on par neither a large jump in specs from xbox360, you aren't fair or you don't remember them or you didn't read them
I think next time i'll spare myself the trouble, this thread is crazy in a way, it's a illogical rollercoaster, one time per week, 30 or 40% of the posters are back to the "Wii U = Xbox 360" thing like they didn't read the 156 elements that prove the contrary. I understand why community managers of some mmo just stop posting, there is no end
For the wall of text, it was possible explanation of the Vigil comment from yesterday.
For the power, i wrote 50 clear 1-liners with bold and underlined texts stating that the Wii U will not be on par neither a large jump in specs from xbox360, you aren't fair or you don't remember them or you didn't read them
I think next time i'll spare myself the trouble, this thread is crazy in a way, it's a illogical rollercoaster, one time per week, 30 or 40% of the posters are back to the "Wii U = Xbox 360" thing like they didn't read the 156 elements that prove the contrary. I understand why community managers of some mmo just stop posting, there is no end
Oh no I thank you for posting what you post. And yeah, I probably didn't see them. This thread moves too fast even for me lol. Thanks for clarifying for the 100th time.
As he mentioned, it depends what they decide to do with the tablet. I suppose you're asking him for the TV visual difference when the tablet is just a 2D map or something? But even then, asking him to describe it using terms like "small, medium or large" isn't really going to help.