Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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Count the years in between the demo and TP... Wind Waker is the game that followed the demo.
AceBandage
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That has nothing to do with what the hardware showed as a tech demo, and what it was later able to achieve, seriously your statement is non-sensible.
Windwaker and TP share the same engine despite their different looks. The lighting in WW alone should shut most up considering what was in the tech demo didn't compare to the better graphical aspects of either.
By that assertion alone people can expect better out of nintendo considering the zelda and star wars demos didn't even compare to what the devs did with the titles later on. If you want to nail nintendo for tech demos hold them to fire for waverace gc. rebirth, and other high end ones that have never been matched on gc or wii.
Glorified G
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lol.
thread on a messageboard>>>>>>Industry Developers.
I think you maybe the only one that believes that.
The game's been discussed since 2009. Lego sets from 2010 then had an ad for the title which referenced a fall 2010 releasedate (see above).
Rebirth was a FMV tech demo.
What I'm more excited about is the bird demo, the lighting on the bottom of the bird's belly and how it changes when it goes over the water is quite stunning.
AceBandage
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Ok then.
Let's look at what Industry Developers have to say:
Epic's Mark Capp said:
Vigil GM said:
Martel of Gearbox said:
Rebirth was always presented as a demonstration of GCN's ability to display pre-rendered video. It might seem like a silly thing to create a demo around, but it seemed like a big deal back then, with Nintendo's clinging to cartridges playing a big part in Nintendo losing games like Final Fantasy.
There's one real time shot in the video which is meant to blend seamlessly with the FMV. If you know it's there, it's easy to spot.
EDIT: beaten by z0m3le
B-b-but they're so old. I can't trust what people say less than a year ago.
I know about it and it's real time was never matched, but i could easily say that's because nintendo downgraded GCN from it's high spec in to what we got. Capcom when they were making RE games talked about how this system simply put sick in some of abilities, which they showed with RE4. The fact GCN or XBox easily could do this yet were never fully pushed is just sad.
Cerebral Assassin
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I disagree with the bolded, Miyamoto has been talking about the issues with 3D(polygonal) platforming in terms of judging depth, 3D(stereoscopic) is an obvious solution. Also they needed a new handheld so I don't see the difference between the 3DS & something like the GBA.
They run on the same HW, all I was saying is there is a Zelda game on the GC that looks better than the tech demo.
I believe part of the Rebirth demo wasn't pre-rendered. Those parts are easily identifiable as they look pretty poor by now.
Smiles and Cries
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this is great if we can get a nice negative vibe going about the WiiU in the industry Nintendo has to come out an do some damage control and this hush hush madness will end :3
The real time segment in the Rebirth demo was easily matched. To compare it to games with similar forest environments, Resident Evil 4, Twilight Princess and Rebel Assault looked comparable or better.
I've said it before in this thread, that I fully believe Nintendo will artistically top the tech demo and maybe technically too. But it's too early to tell and old tech demos aren't a perfect guideline to how the future games will look compared to the final product. And if you compare the space world demo to TP, then prepare for a wait of 5-6 years for the next Zelda to top it with similar style :b
Only reason why they went for custom GPU is to fit it in that tiny box. You can't take something like HD1950xtx and put it in that box. But you can go to AMD for GPU with same performance but with much better performance/watt ratio and thats what they've done. They didn't go for 1+ TFLOP card, they went for 2006 performance in much much smaller package.
3D platforming's lack of popularity compared to 2D-style has nothing to do with this issue. They're just different and people view and approve of them differently. So this will benefit, for the most part, people who were already on board with 3D platforming in the first place.
AceBandage
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Source?
We don't even need Nintendo to do that. All it takes is a number of developers to come out and say something. Or hell, even one huge developer (Epic?) to say it's powerful in no uncertain terms and that would be enough. Instead, no one wants to commit and it's just creating this crap.
Common sense?
I'll take the rouge leader games but I already said the star wars games exceeded anything consumers or nintendo expected of them. As for Re4 or Tp no way the texturing and lighting aspects were near it's level not on par or matched that's parity or equality to me. To be fair RE4 and TP were full games not a few seconds of a demo.
I don't know, man. My roommate's Mac Mini 2011 does pretty well and it's in a smaller package than the Wii and the Wii U....
gamergirly
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I'm hoping for that too. For Nintendo to shock the hell out of people or just show enough to silence the haters. That will make this holiday season superb
Cerebral Assassin
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Why do you think that they couldn't have developed TP before WW?
I think it does, it is a recurring theme in the Iwata Asks & they clearly want to make the 3D games more appealing to the 2D only players .
Glorified G
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Are we selectively choosing which quotes we want to fit our narrative? My point is don't dismiss(not you specifically) something because it goes against what you want to believe.
Are we still talking about that quote from the Vigil guy who's trying to get out of making a lazy port of the console versions of the game without even updating the textures? Heh, man, it's not even a matter of cherry picking quotes. If someone is going to believe that one, then they have to be open to all the others as being just as valid. This goes for all sides.
lol don't u realize that will never work. Nintendo could give people EVERY single thing they want from a console, and it still wouldn't be enough. people love to hate Nintendo, fact.
Sure, the recent quote from Vigil's general director is a point of concern. But we have three other statements from 3 developers, including one of Vigil's technical directors saying the opposite. We also have information in this thread (quotes from lherre, ideaman) that contradicts this. I think I know which point of view I will more likely adhere to but, yes the quote is still a point of concern. We really have no way to verify which quote is true or not, so we'll know at E3.
Glorified G
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I don't disagree, but it seems like for some this Vigil guy is full of shit, and the other quotes who are almost a year old are correct. It seems like cherry picking to me.
Smiles and Cries
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no devs should keep doing the noncommittal thing and we should stop doing damage control for Nintendo, they don't deserve our energy... they kept us in the dark they deserve this jumping to conclusion shit that industry fans do every new generation.
perception of this hardware has now been tainted if for most it will stay that way because they already had a bias towards Nintendo
even though I find what Virgil had to say was already explained in this thread last week when we talked about the cost of streaming to the uPad = visuals are not pushed to equal the power of the hardware but the power is split for two screens... this was always going to be an issue that Nintendo would have to damage control not everyone will take the time to explain that it take a powerful system to push two screens that excuse does not get you far if your games cannot look beyond current gen you got your self a marketing issue.
Good Luck fixing this mess Nintendo :3
It's not an excuse to tell consumers the facts about hardware works despite the perception. Good luck even with high end pc technology pushing something two screens plus an hdtv pushing with equal fidelity. You're talking a sick amount of resolition be it 720p or 1080p 3x at 30fps and it's worse if you want games at 60fps. If people are going to whine about this they need to look at pc benchmarks and see when it comes to high end games and using 3 displays the performance just isn't the same as using a single display. People with these expectations should be the ones receiving the attention and disdain for how unrealistic and stupid it is to suggest or expect that. Unless consumers in the console realm want to start paying extreme pc prices the gaming press and enthusiasts should be shutting this crap down regardless if it's nintendo, sony, or ms it's really unhealthy.
There is nothing they could say or do that would make the situation better. Even if they came out today and said it's the best thing since sliced bread, there are going to be people who will argue that it's just Nintendo talking shit and they shouldn't be believed. They need street cred order to fix this situation, so if they came out with how awesome the system is and others came out and said the same thing (which some have), then that should lower the "noise" a bit.
However, people are not willing to believe that Nintendo could make an awesome system for some reason. Even though they have a history of making pretty nice hardware. They made the Wii and all of a sudden they will always make under spec'd hardware...forever.
Not to mention, why bother switching from PSN or XBL to "We Barely Know What We're Doing" NiN. The account you've spent a generation accumulating downloads, points, and trophy/achievements is reason enough not to jump to either of the competitors' ships.
Where in my last few post in which I actually said a few things matched or exceeded this demo does it become that nothing didn't match it? I said for specifics like RE4 and TP no it doesn't despite them being full games. RE4 and TP have horrible texturing and shouldn't even bothered to compare it. Pikmin is more than enough to stomp out the texture quality in that demo, which I'm surprised you didn't mention.
If you think I'm knocking cube ability to push graphics go do a search PS2vsGCvsXbox here or at beyond3d you will see my posts defending cube quite heavily.
Even NiN is as good as any other service, I still don't see how Nintendo is going to get gamers to switch if PS4/720 allow the continuation of the account.
Oh mighty Soothsayer, you have once again shown me what to expect from the future...
all it takes is one news article and all the sudden people know everything about a console we know next to NOTHING about.
I do my best.
I was referring back to this:
Funnily enough, I did mention Pikmin when I was typing that post mentioning games with forest environments, but I accidentally erased it when I was rephrasing it. I also referred to Rebel Strike as 'Rebel Assault'...
It's 2AM over here. I need to get some sleep.
You're right about the awful textures in RE4 and TP, but those blow away the real-time Rebirth footage when it comes to lighting.
Only in the darksiders thread. I can still tolerate and find this thread interesting when I come in to it. If you people want a real Wii thread go look at the beyond3d topic on this which is far more practical and realistic based on what we know.
I can give you RE4 because it's full game and because it's lighting is only matched by 3 games last generation of any console. At the very least it's shadowing and rebel strike shadowing own anything rebirth. As for tp not really despite what the game did it was just unimpressive considering how late it came out and what had already been done by nintendo itself or other devs.
bgassassin
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All it took was for me to see a new title on the board with 500+ posts already to know I wasn't going to bother with it.
Bgassassin do you remember a quote by an AMD rep that basically stated that the Wii U's GPU is a 1TFLOP+ GPU?
Shadow of the BEAST
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it looks like it has a current gen profile.
My guess is that wiiu will be to ps4/720 like xbox is to xbox 360.
My guess is that wiiu will be to ps4/720 like xbox is to xbox 360.