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[ViewtifulJC]

From "more powerful" to "on par" to "less powerful"

I can't wait until next week's article, "around Dreamcast level"

Patcher knew all along

 

[commish]

Road Trip was better (as shit reality shows go).

Road rules?

 

[AceBandage]

Road rules?

Yeah, that one.
With all the hot chicks in the bus.

 

[bananas]

Road rules?

No. Road Trip.

PS: Don't watch this movie

 

[StuBurns]

God of War 3 destroys this (Scorpion boss battle in The Caverns) and you tell me how old GoW3 is.

GoW was years into the hardware's life though. This is a year before the system is even nearly out. You need to give devs time to get fully to grips with the hardware.

 

[Busty]

This is my first time inside a Nintendo defense force thread. I don't even know what's going on or what people are arguing.

Remember son, don't use your fists. Use your words.

 

[FyreWulff]

Tech demos and actual sourced developers say otherwise. Just comes across as fishing for a Nintendo response, and they aren't going to say anything with E3 so close.

 

[Grymm]

I think you're purposefully taking the line out of context because you want to rustle and tustle. Which would be fine, if you had posted anything of substance in this thread.

You changed someone elses quote to move the goalposts again in typical Nintendo defense force fashion and you're talking about whether someone added any substance to the thread? You literally made shit up and posted it.

I think you purposefully took his line and changed it because you're butthurt about the news. Which would be fine if you'd just say so.

Please, add some substance to that.

 

[AceBandage]

No. Road Trip.

Oddly enough, I only remember Euro Trip (and only because of the brother/sister make out scene).

You changed someone elses quote to move the goalposts again in typical Nintendo defense force fashion and you're talking about whether someone added any substance to the thread? You literally made shit up and posted it.

I think you purposefully took his line and changed it because you're butthurt about the news. Which would be fine if you'd just say so.

Please, add some substance to that.

You're gonna go far, kid.

 

[Adam Scott Aukerman]

I don't think this is likely. They would have to go out of their way to build such an underpowered system. I thought the same thing about Wii, but at that time they had the excuse of needing to support hardware BC.

That was amusing.

Really, if there's anything the Wii didn't need, it was hardware BC.

As for the rumoured power level, this is pretty much what I was expecting.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

The story is almost certainly bogus, but refuting it with animated gifs of a staged tech demo thrown together on pre-release hardware a year before today is a very poor idea.

On the other hand, target demos on equivalent hardware give us more to work with than this story does. The WiiU SDK's could have been very much like the PS3's. Featuring a GPU in no way comparable to what will be in the final hardware, and would lead to developers doing what Konami had to do, and scale back their engines significantly.

I see the demo being representative of the system in non-interactive ways at the worst.

Kind of expected it.

Shocking News!

 

[Game-Biz]

God of War 3 destroys this (Scorpion boss battle in The Caverns) and you tell me how old GoW3 is.

I haven't played the game, but I just watched a HD video of that boss battle on Youtube, and...I wouldn't say it "destroys" the Zelda tech demo at all. It's on par I'd say. But yeah, one was actually gameplay; the other just a demo with a control of the camera and lighting. Still, disappointing that Nintendo wont even try to compete with PS4 and Nextbox in terms of power, but then again, that was always a fanboy wet dream of mine.

 

[Busty]

Oddly enough, I only remember Euro Trip (and only because of the brother/sister make out scene).

Spoiler

Doombringer is.... is that you?

 

[Durante]

Really, if there's anything the Wii didn't need, it was hardware BC.

True, replace "needing" with "wanting".

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Who says "powerful" when talking graphics???

 

[Mithos]

God of War 3 destroys this (Scorpion boss battle in The Caverns) and you tell me how old GoW3 is.

I Guess GoW3 came in ohh say pre-relase of PS3 then? Or are you really comparing a pre-release tech demo on Wii U with a 4th-5th gen PS3 game?

I'd like to see what Wii U game look like in 4th-5th gaming gen cycle for it.

 

[UncleSporky]

Well, what if we assume that it's rendering in 1080p and up to two 480p screens?

Doesn't that mean that visuals "only" as good as PS3 are within the realm of reality? That's a lot for a system to deal with at once, even if it's twice as physically powerful.

 

[Medalion]

Who says "powerful" when talking graphics???

People who know what they're talking about... REAL Developers that make hardcore games like CoD and Crysis

 

[BigTnaples]

LMAO to all the "graphics are good enough already" posts.


No, they are absolutely fucking not, and the masses will flock as soon as they see the upgrade in graphics for popular games like CoD/Halo/Uncharted/Gears/Killzone/Mass Effect/ Fallout/ Elder scrolls/ etc. Their favorite franchises with melting visuals.


Casual gamers care about graphics, and the Wii selling well does nothing to refute that.

 

[Coolwhip]

God of War 3 destroys this (Scorpion boss battle in The Caverns) and you tell me how old GoW3 is.

So...? The zelda demo looks fantastic to 99% of the people outsode of gaf. Why are people here so obsessed with graphics? Graphics are fun? We should be glad there is a nintendo that doesnt just put out better looking games but keeps the rest the same old. And until we finally get of seperate consoles you will just have to buy a nintendo console plus a ps/xbox if you want super duper grafficks, not like they're expensive.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

You changed someone elses quote to move the goalposts again in typical Nintendo defense force fashion and you're talking about whether someone added any substance to the thread? You literally made shit up and posted it.

I think you purposefully took his line and changed it because you're butthurt about the news. Which would be fine if you'd just say so.

Please, add some substance to that.

Or perhaps I interpreted the quote to the way in which made sense to anyone with a brain.

It's too bad that I'm butthurt though. I'm actually crying right now. Do you like the taste of tears? I can email you a vial, right after you're done defending these ridiculous quotes in the OP made by someone who probably doesn't even know what OpenGL is.

You continue to post without any actual point. I want a meal, not a snack.

 

[commish]

I haven't played the game, but I just watched a HD video of that boss battle on Youtube, and...I wouldn't say it "destroys" the Zelda tech demo at all. It's on par I'd say. Still, disappointing that Nintendo wont even try to compete with PS4 and Nextbox in terms of power, but then again, that was always a fanboy wet dream of mine.

You and everyone else's wet dream. Alas, for at least another 5 or so years, it's still just a dream.

 

[Wandering Leopard]

This is my first time inside a Nintendo defense force thread. I don't even know what's going on or what people are arguing.

Me neither, but the time around new console launches sure are wondrous!

 

[Durante]

Well, what if we assume that it's rendering in 1080p and up to two 480p screens?

Why would we do that though? Everything we've seen running on (pre-release) hardware so far was 720p.

 

[Diffense]

I first read the thread title as "Wii U more powerful than Ps3 and 360" and was wondering why this was news. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I wouldn't be surprised if Wii U turns out to be just about on par with PS360. After how grossly underpowered the Wii was, I can't say that Nintendo would never be so conservative.

 

[Amir0x]

Even I can't believe this shit. So weak it's not even competing with last gens systems? That'd make the system even further behind comparable to its competitors than the Wii was.

Fuck that shit

 

[OverHeat]

People will always believe what they want for their console of choice... So even if this rumor is true your still gonna hear fanboy rule it out.

 

[bananas]

People will always believe what they want for their console of choice... So even if this rumor is true your still gonna hear fanboy rule it out.

Wii U is three GameCubes duct taped together.

 

[DarkChild]

People talk about Zelda demo like its second coming. Tri Ace tech demo in real time on PS360 at 720p looks better, much better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cuXgRVMvZ0

 

[Hoo-doo]

Nevermind, I read it wrong. Thanks Ace.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

Wii U is three GameCubes duct taped together.

This hurts my butt so much I can't even stand it.

Your words, they hurt. Don't shoot the messenger.

I was talking about your quotes, not you.

 

[AceBandage]

Your words, they hurt. Don't shoot the messenger.

He was referring to the "developers". Not your quotes of quotes.

 

[Gleethor]

The Zelda Tech Demo discussion is always interesting. Either its too good looking to be real time, or it looks like shit cuz lol god of war (ignoring that the zelda demo was made in two weeks, of course).

In the end, no matter what Nintendo shows at E3, people will claim that game X from this generation "destroys" it. People see what they want, the reactions to the E3 Wii U 3rd party reel last year were evidence enough.

 

[sTeLioSco]

I haven't played the game, but I just watched a HD video of that boss battle on Youtube, and...I wouldn't say it "destroys" the Zelda tech demo at all. It's on par I'd say. But yeah, one was actually gameplay; the other just a demo with a control of the camera and lighting. Still, disappointing that Nintendo wont even try to compete with PS4 and Nextbox in terms of power, but then again, that was always a fanboy wet dream of mine.

agree but you can buy gow3 for 20$ and play it,its not a tech demo.....
if you made a tech demo from that game it would look even closer.

the only way this rumor is true,is if nintendo wants to sell the wiiu at around 250$ and wants to make a profit while including the tablet-controller with the system.

 

[Cromat]

GAF > INTERNET > WORLD > GAF

Power and Graphics are all that matters, if it sparkles that's what I pay good money for!

Good "content" is hard to quantify, but graphics, are up front

/gaf

Content isn't that hard to quantify. The HD consoles had better game libraries than Wii.

Also, I don't believe this for a second. I think Wii U will end up being somewhat more powerful than current consoles.

 

[UncleSporky]

Why would we do that though? Everything we've seen running on (pre-release) hardware so far was 720p.

Also we don't know the resolution of the tablet and we don't know if it supports two of them, etc. You go with what you've been told.

The point is to make an assumption for the purpose of analysis. Do you think it could be twice as powerful, but not look as powerful due to what it has to be able to support?

 

[Medalion]

People are already talking theoretically PS4/Xbox 720 has already whooped Nintendo's next-gen ass, but also their last gen is kicking their next-gen ass...

It hurts to be Nintendo fan and a techie person

 

[Averon]

Oh man. The laughs and tears E3 would bring if this is true. I almost want it to be true just for the comedic aspect and bans it'll bring,

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Wii U = 2 Wiis duct taped together confirmed ?

A wii and a gamecube

Nintendo doesn't want to break the bank on this one

 

[Easy_D]

Except when they released the NES , SNES, N64 and Gamecube .

To an extent, the 3DS too, pretty nice shader capability and 3D on top of that. Vita just happens to be crazy as fuck.

 

[AceBandage]

A wii and a gamecube

Nintendo doesn't want to break the bank on this one

A Wii, a Gamecube and a GBA (for the controller).

 

[Grymm]

Or perhaps I interpreted the quote to the way in which made sense to anyone with a brain.

It's too bad that I'm butthurt though. I'm actually crying right now. Do you like the taste of tears? I can email you a vial, right after you're done defending these ridiculous quotes in the OP made by someone who probably doesn't even know what OpenGL is.

You continue to post without any actual point. I want a meal, not a snack.

So now the devs in the quote don't know what OpenGL is and WiiU only needs current gen ports and not next gen ones.

Denial. It's not just a river of tears that flows through Nintendo Defense Force land. Or maybe it is.

 

[Banana Kid]

Don't forget about the gamecube.

Yeah, and that worked out great for them!

 

[Mithos]

People talk about Zelda demo like its second coming. Tri Ace tech demo in real time on PS360 at 720p looks better, much better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cuXgRVMvZ0

Yes impressive, and made what 5 years into the PS3 and 360 livespan, not 1 year before the release of said consoles?

 

[StuBurns]

Even I can't believe this shit. So weak it's not even competing with last gens systems? That'd make the system even further behind comparable to its competitors than the Wii was.

Fuck that shit

The best of Xbox 1 is more impressive to me than anything on Wii. Even if this rumour is true (I certainly doubt it), that'd just put it inline with the Wii in respect to it's peers.

 

[orioto]

Hm hm, i see big things for this thread!

The best with all that is the "usual suspect" twist. I love how, if this is true in the end, people will realize it was clear since the beginning and this famous Zelda demo. You just had to look at it to see the geometry is simple, at least for the room, even for the spider, and even the texture are not superior to the most demanding PS360 games. Also don't forget the only native screen we have is 720p without AA. I love how everyone tried to forget that

Also a demo will always be more technically advanced than gameplay, real time or not. And, yes, the first GC Zelda demo WAS more advanced than Twilight Princess. It was just ugly in its design.

Now, i always thought WiiU would be in the best situation slightly more powerfull than PS360 with mode modern shaders making us believe that it was way more. But there is a possibility they go for the cheap route. Just look at the 3ds. Don't forget it's way less in the end than what everyone was expecting. Nor the fact that 3DS show a whole new level at hding the specs limitations by having insane geometry level contrast (always a beautiful normal mapped character and everything is low poly around)

I'll say what i said before. Nintendo games will look great, no prob. But if the WiiU has no "revolutionary control" effect, nor "first step in the next gen!!!" one, it will be tough, at least to convince gamers who are not Nintendo fans.

 

[Twenty7KVN]

People are already talking theoretically PS4/Xbox 720 has already whooped Nintendo's next-gen ass, but also their last gen is kicking their next-gen ass...

It hurts to be Nintendo fan and a techie person

I'm a techie and a Nintendo fan.I got a pc for my tech fix.

 

[onipex]

I would love it if this was true. I need to stock up on popcorn.

 

[Shion]

Well, if we believe Nintendo's public statements, they are not just targeting casual gamers this generation. The Wii in the end did not meet Nintendo's expectations, I am sure of it- especially in its home market.

Nintendo says a lot of things.

When you turn on the Wii and see the graphics you will say wow

Truth is, without next-gen specs, they won't be able to target the core demographic. And, as far as we know, Nintendo has absolutely no plans for a console that's going to be on par with what Microsoft and Sony are willing to offer.

 

[Durante]

People talk about Zelda demo like its second coming. Tri Ace tech demo in real time on PS360 at 720p looks better, much better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cuXgRVMvZ0

And note how it actually has AA!

Still, I refuse to believe that the Wii U hardware isn't capable of more than that Zelda demo given more development time.