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[Proelite]

Chances are that Halo 4, Assassin's Creed 3, and Last of Us will look better than Wii-U gameplay this E3, despite Wii-U be more powerful.

I don't think this E3 is going to bring any revelations about the Wii-U's power. Even launch titles are probably going to be underwhelming compared to late gen 360/PS3 titles.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

You should probably respect my opinion.

Hey, junior. You constructed your statement as being FACT.

 

[Dusk Golem]

It's been addressed several times, it's no longer a funny realization.

It's not a realization and there's a reason the statement is paraphrased as it is. This always happens and I'm still laughing at how people fall for this stuff every time.

However, to contribute more to a productive post I will add that directly attacking the competition is a long-running practice that's existed for years in all mediums. But people need to realize the 360 and PS3 are now 6-7 years old, technology has improved, and there shouldn't be a doubt that a current-gen console would be more powerful than what is already in place.

What I'm more concerned with is game support from developers, but we'll see how that rolls out in due time.

 

[?oe?oe]

Hey, junior. You constructed your statement as being FACT.

If you listened to the tone of my voice, then you wouldn't be saying that. Are you deaf? ;p

 

[KKRT00]

It would be scary to have less powerful console than one year old AMD processor with intergrated GPU [A8 3850 Llano - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kGwrqSntFs].
Its impossible for me to even imagine that they could achieve that.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

If you listened to the tone of my voice, then you wouldn't be saying that. Are you deaf? ;p

How can I listen to a sentence being typed on the internet? Do you have magical powers?

 

[DarkChild]

I got to say though, no matter if I think Wii U will be on par with PS360, this is most probably April Fools joke being late

 

[Ryuuga]

People saying that videos of 360 games look worse than 360 games is still funny though, right?

Of course that's downright hilarious.

 

[SapientWolf]

It's not a realization and there's a reason the statement is paraphrased as it is. This always happens and I'm still laughing at how people fall for this stuff every time.

However, to contribute more to a productive post I will add that directly attacking the competition is a long-running practice that's existed for years in all mediums. But people need to realize the 360 and PS3 are now 6-7 years old, technology has improved, and there shouldn't be a doubt that a current-gen console would be more powerful than what is already in place.

What I'm more concerned with is game support from developers, but we'll see how that rolls out in due time.

There shouldn't be a doubt? None at all? Were the final Wii-U hardware specs released already?

 

[MikeE21286]

There's not much to say.

I can believe that the Wii U is less powerful than the PS3 and 360, because it's possible. It's also possible that the PS4 will block used games and that the next Xbox would need to be connected online for it to work.

Everything is in the table right now, nothing is really too out there to be impossible.

Lol, everything is turning to shit right here right now.

 

[jimi_dini]

If the WiiU was some graphic pwerhouse Nintendo would be, like they said in the article, shouting that shit from the top of every hill. They're not.

When did Nintendo shout out hardware specs? Nintendo is not Sony.
Like Reggie said: it's just a box. And most Nintendo buyers don't really care about what exact GPU and CPU they used.

Also about the console size. Remember last generation?
Gamecube is 15x16.1x11cm = 2656.5m³
PS2 is 7.9x30.3x18.3cm = 4380.471m³
Xbox is 32x10x26cm = 8320m³

So it should have been Xbox > PS2 > Gamecube. Oh wait...

 

[Cooter]

It would be scary to have less powerful console than one year old AMD processor with intergrated GPU [A8 3850 Llano - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kGwrqSntFs].
Its impossible for me to even imagine that they could achieve that.

Yeah, that's what I don't understand. How is this even possible?

 

[test_account]

The use of the touchscreen on the DS/iPod and motion controls and the pointer in the Wii remote did far more for gaming than the improved graphics of the PS360. Seriously the pointer should be the new standard. Bit no, we'll still be using a Duel Shock in ten years won't we?

I really hope that we still have a Dual Shock controller for the next 10 years. My biggest fear for the next generation consoles was that it would all be motion based. I dont mind motion gaming that much, but i dont want it to be a standard. But now Nintendo will move away from that, atleast partially. And i'm pretty sure that both Microsoft and Sony will use a more standard controller too. So i'm not really worried about it at this point =)

 

[charsace]

One thing that stuck out to me about the Zelda demo is that it lacks tessellation. If the Wii u is capable of tessellation why not use it? They have a huge spider model in the scene, which would have been the perfect model to use and show off tessellation.

 

[guek]

I got to say though, no matter if I think Wii U will be on par with PS360, this is most probably April Fools joke being late

Tell me at the very least you're willing to eat crow like a fucking champ if you turn out to be wrong. Don't pussy out like a douche, backtrack on your statements, and try to downplay any and all graphical marvels that we might see come E3. Don't be that guy. Cuz fuck that guy, we have enough of those kinds of assholes on this board already.

 

[Dusk Golem]

There shouldn't be a doubt? None at all? Were the final Wii-U hardware specs released already?

You are welcome to be paranoid, but with that train of logic you could buy into an anonymous rumor saying the Wii-U is more powerful than today's highest end computers. After all, anything's possible~

 

[bomma_man]

I really hope that we still have a Dual Shock controller for the next 10 years. My biggest fear for the next generation consoles was that it would all be motion based. I dont mind motion gaming that much, but i dont want it to be a standard. But now Nintendo will move away from that, atleast partially. And i'm pretty sure that both Microsoft and Sony will use a more standard controller too. So i'm not really worried about it at this point =)

Okay. But they could at least make the thing not completely uncomfortable and shit

 

[Persona7]

If it these rumors are true how is the WiiU going to do 1080p?

The PS3 and 360 can barely handle games at 720p.

 

[DarkChild]

Tell me at the very least you're willing to eat crow like a fucking champ if you turn out to be wrong. Don't pussy out like a douche, backtrack on your statements, and try to downplay any and all graphical marvels that we might see come E3. Don't be that guy. Cuz fuck that guy, we have enough of those kinds of assholes on this board already.

You guys really do take everything Nintendo related to the hearth? I said, Wii U will have 300-400GFLOP GPU range and will be about the par with PS360. I'm standing with that, but this is late April fools joke definitely. Being on par with 7 years old consoles = embarrassing.

But you guys will have to do the same...

 

[i-Lo]

If it these rumors are true how is the WiiU going to do 1080p?

The PS3 and 360 can barely handle games at 720p.

Seriously?

 

[test_account]

Okay. But they could at least make the thing not completely uncomfortable and shit

Personally i really like the Dual Shock controller. I dont think it is uncomfortable or shit, so i'm not asking for a big change of its design. But i was mostly talking in general about having a Dual Shock-like controller. Or in other words, having a more standard controller But this generation we got both standard and motion controls, and that is cool, to have the choice It might be like this in the next generation of consoles as well, i dont mind that at all.

 

[Indyana]

If it these rumors are true how is the WiiU going to do 1080p?

The PS3 and 360 can barely handle games at 720p.

4K is the bare minimum for Wii U graphics.

 

[Tookay]

One thing that stuck out to me about the Zelda demo is that it lacks tessellation. If the Wii u is capable of tessellation why not use it? They have a huge spider model in the scene, which would have been the perfect model to use and show off tessellation.

I don't really think this demo was meant to be analyzed so critically. Maybe Nintendo should have anticipated that (because internet forum gamer wars depend on it), but the fact they they never even released direct feed videos of the entire demos seems to suggest it wasn't meant for public scrutiny.

And even, then, the whole demo looks like it's designed for the particular purpose of showing off the lighting and some other features (switching back and forth between tablet and TV), and not to be completely indicative of the best Wii U can achieve, since it's cobbled together with glossed up Twilight Princess assets.

 

[SapientWolf]

You are welcome to be paranoid, but with that train of logic you could buy into an anonymous rumor saying the Wii-U is more powerful than today's highest end computers. After all, anything's possible~

That would be hard to believe, because Nintendo doesn't have a history of releasing home consoles with those kind of specs, or at the prices that would make such a powerful machine profitable.

 

[Proelite]

If it these rumors are true how is the WiiU going to do 1080p?

The PS3 and 360 can barely handle games at 720p.

Why would any AAA Wii-U games target 1080p?

 

[Triple U]

When did Nintendo shout out hardware specs? Nintendo is not Sony.
Like Reggie said: it's just a box. And most Nintendo buyers don't really care about what exact GPU and CPU they used.

Also about the console size. Remember last generation?
Gamecube is 15x16.1x11cm = 2656.5m³
PS2 is 7.9x30.3x18.3cm = 4380.471m³
Xbox is 32x10x26cm = 8320m³

So it should have been Xbox > PS2 > Gamecube. Oh wait...

Thats not really comparable. Both Xbox and GC had actual GPUs and came out a year later among a mountain of other differences.

 

[Card Boy]

Based on the 3DS and Wii, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if this was true.

 

[Oblivion]

The real question should be, is Wii U weaker than the Wii? :O

 

[antonz]

Based on the 3DS and Wii, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if this was true.

Whats wrong with the 3DS? It follows Nintendos Handheld roadmap the same way every single handheld has.

 

[salpa]

The Wii U probably won't use tessellation.

The R700 series of cards the Wii U is rumored to have, only contains 1 tessellation unit.

In comparison, the 3DS has a single tessellation unit.

Tessellation is just not that feasible with only one unit. Kind of a waste of resources IMO.

 

[$hawty]

BOYCOTT NINTENDO!

 

[guek]

You guys really do take everything Nintendo related to the hearth? I said, Wii U will have 300-400GFLOP GPU range and will be about the par with PS360. I'm standing with that, but this is late April fools joke definitely. Being on par with 7 years old consoles = embarrassing.

But you guys will have to do the same...

Hey, I get annoyed by ignorance and idiocy so I end up posting in these horrible threads (and some small part of me admittedly likes being argumentative with strangers), but I've never pretended like Wii U was going to be some beast. I'm expecting an overclocked 360 with 2-3x more ram.

In any case, your unwillingness to accept your fate if you're wrong about all your chest thumping is disconcerting. Tsk tsk.

 

[MisterHero]

Being on par with 7 years old consoles = embarrassing.

The amount of money Sony threw away on PS3 is embarrassing. Nintendo would not have survived the same approach to hardware design.

360 and PS3 were realized too soon, but they were released anyways because MS and Sony thought they afford the production costs.

Some 3rd-Parties admitted that skipping Wii was a critical mistake. In some ways, games benefitted from the extra power from the HD games, but as the generation has unfolded, it didn't save a lot of them from financial trouble.

Pushing the hardware limit didn't help everyone. This was revealed by industry failings, not just because Nintendo said so.

 

[AlStrong]

It would be scary to have less powerful console than one year old AMD processor with intergrated GPU [A8 3850 Llano - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kGwrqSntFs].
Its impossible for me to even imagine that they could achieve that.

32nm is low volume and far from cheap.

 

[DCharlie]

taking a step back here....

disclosure : i've moaned in other threads about how i'd like to see Nintendo try and spec match PS3/X720

However, if they're not going to match up and they're going for a certain HD base line - is it really in their interests to have a tech spend than anything over a certain baseline?

Whilst i'm not going to hide my disappointment at the Nintendo strategy of being "behind" on the core tech of the box, it really wouldn't kill us if the Wii U ends up being X360/PS3 or there abouts. Being a bit above isn't going to differentiate it THAT much from the current gen regardless. "oh 720p native rather than 688p upscaled!" - it's not going to make that much difference at this point in time.

I dunno - given that the strategy of the Wii worked so perfectly, i can see Nintendo going for the cheapest route possible to "current gen" - that's still likely to put it above the PS3/X360 but not by a significant/highly noticable amount. I expect the Wii U to come in around PS3/X360 - maybe somethings will be worse, maybe somethings will be better, but ultimately , who who is buying the machine actually cares?

We'll all be there for the new ideas, the new Nintendo iterations, and a few third party exclusive surprises. Life will continue on, Nintendo will make mad bank, we'll maybe have a week or two of "NINTENDO DOOMED!" but ultimately it being "current gen" levels will end up being entirely irrelevant to anyone interested in the platform.

With that in mind - it pays Nintendo to shoot with that philosophy rather than try and do what i want them to do and boost the specs up. There's no point in aiming for the middle ground - they either position themselves as the "baseline machine" for the next gen (something i thought may happen at one point, but now seems unlikely) or they shoot for the current gen baseline + support for the second display.

 

[test_account]

If it these rumors are true how is the WiiU going to do 1080p?

The PS3 and 360 can barely handle games at 720p.

You're right that many PS3 and Xbox 360 games are runing at a resolution lower than 720p, but most graphical marvels for PS3 and Xbox 360 are actually runing at 720p or higher. From what i know at least, games like Killzone 2 and 3, Uncharted 1-3 and God of War 3 all run in 720p native. GT5 runs at a higher resolution (cant remember exactly what it is). I think it is the same with Forza 4 and Gears of War 2 and 3, i think these games run at native 720p.

 

[bigdaddygamebot]

You should probably respect my opinion.

Don't make the mistake of assuming that an "opinion" automatically deserves resepct.

Super Mario Galaxy was the sexiest game this generation. 360 and PS3 got no sexy.

That's far closer to enthusiastic ignorance or a poor attempt to troll than an actual opinion.


So...try again.

 

[Card Boy]

Whats wrong with the 3DS? It follows Nintendos Handheld roadmap the same way every single handheld has.

It's not the massive step up I was expecting and its graphically inferior to the competition?

I would of said 'people' instead of 'I', but who knows if people agree with me.

 

[BrokenEchelon]

My favorite part of this unending string of rumors is that graphics matter when the console is powerful and don't matter when it supposedly isn't. Nintendo can do no wrong it seems.

I'm pretty sure that the Wii U will end up falling somewhere between the 360/PS3 and 720/PS4 in terms of power.

I'm more curious than anything to see if it ends up being their "Dreamcast".

 

[schuelma]

.There's no point in aiming for the middle ground - they either position themselves as the "baseline machine" for the next gen (something i thought may happen at one point, but now seems unlikely) or they shoot for the current gen baseline + support for the second display.

Well, this is all speculation- but if we take Nintendo at their word that they were disappointed in the lack of 3rd party porting, it makes little sense to risk the exact same scenario next gen.

 

[DarkChild]

Hey, I get annoyed by ignorance and idiocy so I end up posting in these horrible threads (and some small part of me admittedly likes being argumentative with strangers), but I've never pretended like Wii U was going to be some beast. I'm expecting an overclocked 360 with 2-3x more ram.

In any case, your unwillingness to accept your fate if you're wrong about all your chest thumping is disconcerting. Tsk tsk.

I thought it was given? I will eat crow with chopsticks if you want

 

[AzaK]

Xbox was very big party because it had best GPU money could buy, it was straight out PC gpu. Still, it doesn't change the fact that Wii U shown is almost the size of Wii and has very small fans for something that should be 2-5x faster than current gen.

I wonder which one of those HD systems doesn't have an internal HDD to support/cool?

 

[surly]

I wouldn't have thought that these rumours will be true.

I think it's fair to say that a lot of 360/PS3 or PC/360/PS3 games never made it to the Wii because of the Wii's lack of power. Nintendo won't want that happening again. If they get in a situation where there are Nextbox/PS4/PC titles coming out that don't end up on their machine, then it'll be the Wii all over again - but without the huge draw of "we're doing something really different with motion controls" which is what sold the Wii. The tablet controller is cool, but it's not the system seller that the Wii Remote was.

I certainly wouldn't be surprised if the Wii-U was the weakest of the next-gen consoles, but I can't see it being weaker than a 360/PS3.

 

[i-Lo]

Hey, I get annoyed by ignorance and idiocy so I end up posting in these horrible threads (and some small part of me admittedly likes being argumentative with strangers), but I've never pretended like Wii U was going to be some beast. I'm expecting an overclocked 360 with 2-3x more ram.

In any case, your unwillingness to accept your fate if you're wrong about all your chest thumping is disconcerting. Tsk tsk.

What surprises me is that the RAM and GPU specs are still more advanced than what PS3/360 has. That said, I don't know what the to what degree the performance of the system is detrimental to the removal of Shaders from GPU

 

[BoSox06DH]

E3 can't be here soon enough. The idea that the Wii U could be exactly on par as the PS3/360 is laughable let alone weaker.

 

[bigdaddygamebot]

I'm more curious than anything to see if it ends up being their "Dreamcast".

You and particularly Michael Pachter. xD


After this generation...I can be counted amongst the people that are NOT a Nintendo fan.


However...there is NO fucking way the Wii U will sink Nintendo.

 

[Tookay]

My favorite part of this unending string of rumors is that graphics matter when the console is powerful and don't matter when it supposedly isn't. Nintendo can do no wrong it seems.

In reaching this conclusion, do you purposefully ignore the posters who stroll by just to shit on Nintendo for being behind the times?

 

[?oe?oe]

Don't make the mistake of assuming that an "opinion" automatically deserves resepct.




That's far closer to enthusiastic ignorance or a poor attempt to troll than an actual opinion.


So...try again.

lol, I didn't mean to get your panties in a knot. Chill.

 

[gatti-man]

I can't believe this. Its just not possible.

 

[Dusk Golem]

That would be hard to believe, because Nintendo doesn't have a history of releasing home consoles with those kind of specs, or at the prices that would make such a powerful machine profitable.

Correct, and that is my point. A rumor is only slightly believable if you believe there is some merit to it. It doesn't matter if this rumor has absolutely no factual evidence, proof, or support behind the claim. It only is believed since people's natural pessimism and that there is nothing to fear but fear itself.

Currently what we have in place for factual data to try and compare the Wii-U to is that the Wii-U can both run end-of-the-console-life PS3 and 360 games, as some of those are being ported over to the Wii-U. We have some demos, some of which looked quite nice especially for just quick demos. We also can relay the 3DS as being in-line with Nintendo's future plans.

How about a comparison? How many times stronger was the Wii to the Nintendo DS? Now how strong is the 3DS? How will that compare to how strong the Wii-U is? People already mention that the 3DS is, in many ways, more powerful than the Wii and that's a handheld.

We have a bunch of other rumors saying the opposite of what this rumor says, and several from far more credible sources than this one is coming from. The only reason this one is getting any light of day is because it is the only rumor making a claim that can be eaten up by the negative, biased, and stir controversy for page hits and such discussions like we're having now. I opt to not listen to any of these rumors since really, a measure of 'power level' means very little without the technicalities.

But at the end of the day it's the games that will be important and will make the Wii-U successful or not. The platform just needs to provide the power to support these games.