hardcastlemccormick
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You're right, I wasn't looking hard enough. My bad.
You said
Which is wrong. You're moving goal posts.
And you seem to think size matters a lot more than it does.
GI.biz: "Wii U less powerful than PS3, Xbox 360, developers say"
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You're right, I wasn't looking hard enough. My bad.
You said
Which is wrong. You're moving goal posts.
And you seem to think size matters a lot more than it does.
Vanquish is sexier than SMG ^_^
Ehh the Zelda demo isn't impressive at all. Maybe if it was for the ps3 or 360, but not for a system releasing 6 years later. E3 should be good this year though. It's looking like a good thing for Nintendo that MS isn't showing their next console this year. If this rumor is true that is.
test_account
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I dont think that we will see a big step up in graphic quality for Zelda in this generation compared to what we saw in the tech demo. But i do think that the final game will at least look similar to what we saw in the tech demo. So it will look good 
I also dont think that everything felt flat.
I think that it is quite a big exageration to say that the overall textures in GoW3 is atrocious. Maybe some textures wasnt the highest quality, but 99% of it looked great in my opinion. We also got to keep in mind that the game runs over 30fps and also in native 720p (if i'm not mistaken) on 2005/2006 hardware
I also dont think that everything felt flat.Real talk, this game was one of my favorites at E3 2011. I had such a fucking blast, juking three Toad motherfuckers like Emmitt Smith with only eight seconds remaining on the clock. We were going nuts.or a real legit Wii U game.....like Chase Mii
but seriously Chase Mii reminds me of fun times with StarFox 64 4player.
James Sawyer Ford
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Absolutely
The Zelda demo looks good...hell, just seeing Nintendo games CLOSE to 360/PS3 level is exciting in and of itself....but it still doesn't compare to some of the best looking games this gen, graphically....such as god of war 3.
MrNyarlathotep
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The 'ooh and ahh' was the real time lighting model and multiple concurrent rendered viewpoints, not looking at screenshots.
As for Nintendo reusing assets; it's not like it's a big secret, it's a part of their standard practice, both for tech demos and for prototyping games (and the reason why Mario et al appear in so many titles completely unrelated to platform games).
It's also the reason a lot of their game prototype tech demos are using Miis.
Team Filler
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So, just level with us here...are you an insider source for Steve Peterson?
Nobody's even saying 5 times more powerful (whatever the hell that means), except for that deeply flawed IGN article from a while back.
AceBandage
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Haha.
Can't.
Can't.
chickdigger802
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Gah, I used to care so much about this stuff... but after I ascended to pc heaven... stuff like this is so... trivial.
So what's tomorrow, vita is more powerful than wii u?
Xbox was very big party because it had best GPU money could buy, it was straight out PC gpu. Still, it doesn't change the fact that Wii U shown is almost the size of Wii and has very small fans for something that should be 2-5x faster than current gen... so did the Xbox?
And you know this.. how?
Thunder Monkey
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That generation is one of the harder to nail down. There really isn't that huge of performance differences between any of the three consoles. Comparable in everything from pixel fillrate, to poly counts, to particle effects, and overall bandwidth. Different ways to go about the same things, at close to the same fidelity.
The single largest difference between them was their GPU's. One based off a close to modern pixel-shader design (very well documented at that), another based on a fixed function form of pixel-shading, and the other with no in hardware pixel shader (not even a TEV fixed function level either) the GS had an insane amount of stuff to render and the speed to do so, but none of the inlet features we take for granted in even DX2 era pixel shader design. Such a strange design.
"Oh if you want to do that you have to find a way to make the CPU do it." To a degree relying on the software side to achieve anything.
Part of the reason you've got titles on every platform vying for the top spot of the generation.
MisterHero
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They COULD make it. I just wouldn't be very pleased to pay for a $350-600 console, even a Nintendo console ;p
maquiladora
Member
wat
You seriously believe that this:
Wasn't impressive for its time?
Damn, I really miss old Nintendo.
Well as you guys said, GC was miracle, so let Wii U be a miracle and let it be as strong as PS360...
hardcastlemccormick
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Xbox was very big party because it had best GPU money could buy, it was straight out PC gpu. Still, it doesn't change the fact that Wii U shown is the size of Wii and has very small fans for something that should be 2-5x faster than current gen.
You have yet to state why any of this is impossible. It's all fairly reasonable, especially with the system lacking a hard drive.
Poimandres
Member
Well they could please everyone... if the specs are decent.
I don't believe this rumour. It will be mind boggling if true. I don't know how anyone could claim that sub PS3/360 level of performance is acceptable for a new console.
Team Filler
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That graphic is like saying that the original Xbox controller gave more control in games because it was the size of a small moon.
AceBandage
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You should start a boycott.
StoppedInTracks
Member
No point in linking to other GoW3 fragments!
I wanted a clear comparison. Spider Boss vs Scorpion Boss. Both take place inside (chapel, cavern).
Everything about the Scorpion battle just looks better than the Zelda one. Every single thing.
And that's not even taking into account one is a real game with huge level (Caverns) the other is just a tech demo in one room.
Somebody should link the final moments of the Scorpion battle here - where Kratos is flying down the chain dodging ice chunks etc.
People are still expecting Zelda WiiU to look worse than that tech demo?
Nintendo 64 Zelda tech demo
OoT and MM looked way better than this.
GCN Zelda tech demo
WW and TP looked way better than this.
Odds are the WiiU Zelda tech demo is underselling the possibilities.
Nintendo 64 Zelda tech demo
OoT and MM looked way better than this.
GCN Zelda tech demo
WW and TP looked way better than this.
Odds are the WiiU Zelda tech demo is underselling the possibilities.
Xbox was very big party because it had best GPU money could buy, it was straight out PC gpu. Still, it doesn't change the fact that Wii U shown is almost the size of Wii and has very small fans for something that should be 2-5x faster than current gen.
You do realize that there's more computing power in my phone than the space shuttle right? Or my tablet versus my laptop a half-decade ago?
THINGS CHANGE OVER TIME.
Your train of logic is trying to do the Macarena.
Shogmaster
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One of the dumbest things l've read in this thread, which is a hell of an accomplishment.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Buttaface.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
I don't know about you, but personally I don't find fat midget plumbers to be particularly sexy. The game was great though.
Glorified G
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huh?
EatChildren's friend still takes the cake.
Shogmaster
Member
No. your tablet is not more powerful than laptops from half a decade ago. That's purely your imagination. UI presentation is way better, but that's not because of the power.
Xbox was very big party because it had best GPU money could buy, it was straight out PC gpu. Still, it doesn't change the fact that Wii U shown is the size of Wii and has very small fans for something that should be 2-5x faster than current gen.
Oh, that Eurogamer thing again? The article that doesn't take smaller die sizes into consideration? Or the larger rear fan in the Wii U, the extra side fan, the lack of space taken up with Gamecube controller ports and memory card slots, etc etc? Technology gets better and smaller, runs cooler, and does so at an exponential pace. That's just how it works.
Also, wouldn't what you're saying also apply to NextBox and PS4? Or are they exempt for some reason?
AceBandage
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They'll obviously be the size of a large suit case.
No, Nextbox and PS4 will most likely be 28mm and will probably be almost double the size of current gen consoles if they shoot for stars.
Xbox was very big party because it had best GPU money could buy, it was straight out PC gpu. Still, it doesn't change the fact that Wii U shown is the size of Wii and has very small fans for something that should be 2-5x faster than current gen.
The Xbox was huge because it had:
- The PSU inside of it
- tray load DVD
- the gigantic HDD caddy
There's tons of wasted space on the mobo and was filled with off the shelf hardware. You can look it up yourself, or open up an original Xbox like I did. That console is not a hallmark of prudent space usage.
Trying to compare the Wii U's power to the 360 or PS3's in case size, especially when the Wii U doesn't have an HDD bay (like the 360 and PS3) and doesn't have a tray load DVD drive (like the 360) is like trying to compare apples to oranges.
For an in-console comparison, compare the PS2 to the PStwo:
Guess what the second version dropped. Oh, it was the HDD bay and the internal PSU!
I wouldn't say troll, I consider myself more like someone who's been following all the Wii U information and interview mentions for months on end and is completely and utterly assured that it will be "more powerful" than the current HD twins. Therefore I find all these topics completely laughable.
Anyone claiming for a nanosecond that Wii U will be less powerful (read: capable of lower visual fidelity) than the PS3 and 360, must really be the troll.
Thunder Monkey
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wat
You seriously believe that this:
Wasn't impressive for its time?
Damn, I really miss old Nintendo.
It was a polygon smorgasbord with absolutely no artistic sense. This is why it's not looked back on as fondly. Links model there was probably pushing twice as many polygons as his TP model, it had little aliasing, self-shadowing, and very smooth animation.
And in the end ugly compared to his TP model. I don't get either side of the argument honestly.
It's obvious looking at it that is has more polies than the TP model. I'd wager (as I said) twice as many polygons, along with a more complex shading system, but on the other end I don't see how anyone can think Nintendo won't make something better when they have some familiarity with the hardware given Ganon and Link in TP and Link in SS
MisterHero
Super Member
SSBMelee was a real game from the same time, and was quite impressivewat
You seriously believe that this:
Wasn't impressive for its time?
Damn, I really miss old Nintendo.
As was Luigi's Mansion, which was even more impressive since Nintendo had it [and Gamecube] working in 3D
And let's not forget Rogue Squadron II
Next to those games which were showcased with the GCN for the first time, and released within GC's launch period, the demoes look antiquated.
Metroid Prime was a big leap over what was originally shown.
Team Filler
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I meant to say "Using that graphic as proof is like..." The controller size thing was a joke.
So here's my question: is hardware prowess absolutely tied to the size of the console casing? That's what Dark Child seems to be implying, and I know for a fact that's nonsense.
I think SONY & MS should kick back & let the tech develop a while.
They are at a critical mass of active users who happily gobble up software & can fund them for a few more years. Why not ride this gravy train & wait for new exciting tech to really develop. The fuel of these systems still being considered "hot" should suffice a while.
I want some mind melting shit for PS4 I am happily willing to wait.
I would hate to own 3 unevenly powerful systems in the same generation, W.hatT.heF.lyingF.uck!?!
In fact I am content to wait until the most powerful system drops.
If it is true that Wii U is less powerful than PS3 & 360 that would make the new systems from Sony & Microsoft just piss poor knee jerk reactions respectively.
Why not coast put out great titles for a few then drop the big bomb, The mind blowing mother-load rendering Wii U even more obsolete than the original Wii was at the time?
They are at a critical mass of active users who happily gobble up software & can fund them for a few more years. Why not ride this gravy train & wait for new exciting tech to really develop. The fuel of these systems still being considered "hot" should suffice a while.
I want some mind melting shit for PS4 I am happily willing to wait.
I would hate to own 3 unevenly powerful systems in the same generation, W.hatT.heF.lyingF.uck!?!
In fact I am content to wait until the most powerful system drops.
If it is true that Wii U is less powerful than PS3 & 360 that would make the new systems from Sony & Microsoft just piss poor knee jerk reactions respectively.
Why not coast put out great titles for a few then drop the big bomb, The mind blowing mother-load rendering Wii U even more obsolete than the original Wii was at the time?
Recent duct tape prices have risen to epic proportions, hence the Wii U will not only be two gamecubes and .5 Wii tapped together.. 
In all seriousness.. it's probably on par and maybe .5 times more powerful than xbox 360 and ps3.. in a couple years it will look very dated and once again western developers will abandon it.. I honestly wonder if they will even get any of the support they were trying to pimp at E3 last year..
In all seriousness.. it's probably on par and maybe .5 times more powerful than xbox 360 and ps3.. in a couple years it will look very dated and once again western developers will abandon it.. I honestly wonder if they will even get any of the support they were trying to pimp at E3 last year..AceBandage
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MrNyarlathotep
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I'd imagine it's also likely to have an external PSU which will also help with heat dissipation.
hardcastlemccormick
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That article is pure speculation, doesn't take many more complex variables into consideration, offers a reasonable suggestion for how it might happen at the end of the section you quoted.
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