See Ghal, firefight IS returning!
Halo |OT3| Remember Reach?
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See Ghal, firefight IS returning!
I think the key is matchmaking. You should always play with people around you skill level.
Tha Robbertster
Member
Yep, I'm still not really getting the weapon drops.
Also, will the power weapons at the start of the match always spawn at the same spot and will these weapons be the same too? I wouldn't like it when one time, rockets spawn at a certain spot and in the next game, there is a sniper at that location at the beginning of the match.
And what happens to the non-power weapons like the needler or the plasma pistol. Can you choose weapons like those in your loadout, will they spawn like in the previous Halo games or will they also get their own weapon drops.
I know I can't get answers to all of those questions right now but I'd like to get some clarification on these subjects some time.
I liked or expected pretty much all the other things I heard. Spartan Ops sounds really cool and I liked all the talk about the weapon sounds.
The only time I facepalmed was when somebody said you really have to grind to get certain stuff. Did not like to hear that.
Also, will the power weapons at the start of the match always spawn at the same spot and will these weapons be the same too? I wouldn't like it when one time, rockets spawn at a certain spot and in the next game, there is a sniper at that location at the beginning of the match.
And what happens to the non-power weapons like the needler or the plasma pistol. Can you choose weapons like those in your loadout, will they spawn like in the previous Halo games or will they also get their own weapon drops.
I know I can't get answers to all of those questions right now but I'd like to get some clarification on these subjects some time.
I liked or expected pretty much all the other things I heard. Spartan Ops sounds really cool and I liked all the talk about the weapon sounds.
The only time I facepalmed was when somebody said you really have to grind to get certain stuff. Did not like to hear that.
A lot of stuff in that podcast sounds neat and/or reassuring. Still reallllly wish that they were doing some sort of open, or at least semi-open beta for this though. Obviously if the production timeline doesn't allow it is what it is, but especially after Reach a lot of people are going to be unhappy going in almost blind launch day, and even more so if there are issues or perceived issues. Hopefully we get some good video leaks or something 
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Seriously. That totally changes the way sprint works -- for the better.
I'm so hyped for it.
Yup. The audio cue bit made me feel a lot better. Plus apparently it works like sonar, sweeping your surroundings for enemies, so you won't be detected immediately. It really does sound like a crutch for noobs, which is fine, cause they'll probably lose in most 1v1 fights anyways.
Agreed.
Overall I'm feeling a lot better about all the changes.
Reagan's BR
Banned
This is not a summary of the info, rather my take on things.
-BR sounds more like the H3 BR than the H2 BR. The BR has recoil and each shot hits higher than the previous. Disapointing but it could be worse...it could have bloom.
-DMR sounds like it's namesake, a weapon for longer range marksmen. That sounds good to me. Ehhh...DMR=New Carbine??
-Instant Respawns sound exactly like COD literally even the button you press to respawn is the same. They want people to get back in the action quicker. They say that this is designed for slayer...that kind of breaks the main gametype. Gives more randoms a chance to keep getting into the game and die. Deaths are no longer a punishment.
-The random drops seem like the won't screw anything up too bad. That said it seems rather pointless. Why "fix" a system that has worked really well for the past 11 years? Even Reach didn't feel the need to change this.
-The whole MP is built around sprint. That's a shame for the people and playlists (MLG?) that will not use sprint.
-All AAs except Armor Lock coming back. The majority of fans did not want these in the game at all. Why are they coming back???
-Forerunner Vision. One of the great things about Halo is that you could crouch right next to someone without them knowing....that is gone if they have forerunner vision.
Keep in mind these are the negatives I took from the podcast...there were somethings I was happy to hear....kind of.
I really want to like this game...but nothing I am hearing is really getting me excited.
Also one thing that really irked me was the fact that they said that they remember Armor Lock being exploited a lot in the internal Alpha....did Bungie not take any note of that? Hopefully 343 is at least listening to their testers.
-BR sounds more like the H3 BR than the H2 BR. The BR has recoil and each shot hits higher than the previous. Disapointing but it could be worse...it could have bloom.
-DMR sounds like it's namesake, a weapon for longer range marksmen. That sounds good to me. Ehhh...DMR=New Carbine??
-Instant Respawns sound exactly like COD literally even the button you press to respawn is the same. They want people to get back in the action quicker. They say that this is designed for slayer...that kind of breaks the main gametype. Gives more randoms a chance to keep getting into the game and die. Deaths are no longer a punishment.
-The random drops seem like the won't screw anything up too bad. That said it seems rather pointless. Why "fix" a system that has worked really well for the past 11 years? Even Reach didn't feel the need to change this.
-The whole MP is built around sprint. That's a shame for the people and playlists (MLG?) that will not use sprint.
-All AAs except Armor Lock coming back. The majority of fans did not want these in the game at all. Why are they coming back???
-Forerunner Vision. One of the great things about Halo is that you could crouch right next to someone without them knowing....that is gone if they have forerunner vision.
Keep in mind these are the negatives I took from the podcast...there were somethings I was happy to hear....kind of.
I really want to like this game...but nothing I am hearing is really getting me excited.
Also one thing that really irked me was the fact that they said that they remember Armor Lock being exploited a lot in the internal Alpha....did Bungie not take any note of that? Hopefully 343 is at least listening to their testers.
LOL for real?
Just finished the podcast. It was a good one. Definitely a lot of interesting tidbits in there. Especially about the DMR vs BR and their differences. Really curious about the bullet spread on the BR. I also want to know how slow the firing rate on the DMR is now. Can't wait to get my hands on the game and pick it apart. Going to listen again tonight.
Genesis Knight
Member
It was good to get extra information. One thing that really struck me as I was listening to the podcast was that - after playing so much of Anniversary's Classic playlists, with the overpowered 3-shot pistol - I'm a pretty big fan of having a single god weapon, provided everyone spawns with it. Hearing that the BR/DMR/AR are so balanced for different ranges is kind of the exact opposite of Halo 1's multi.
That's a good point. I just hope they bring back a true skill system like in halo 3 or halo 2 for ranked playlists. If Halo 4 is anything like Halo Reach's matchmaking....... we're all doomed.
Here's the problem with forerunner vision as an armor ability.
You have that, jet pack, cloak, and hologram confirmed for H4 right? Out of all those which one do you think people are going to gravitate to? Yeah F.Vision.
Now that everyone has sprint(yay, I have wanted this in Halo forever), I feel F.Vision is all we'll see, because it offers the best ability for all situations on each map, where something like a jet pack, in Reach anyway, is a bit more situational based on map.
You have that, jet pack, cloak, and hologram confirmed for H4 right? Out of all those which one do you think people are going to gravitate to? Yeah F.Vision.
Now that everyone has sprint(yay, I have wanted this in Halo forever), I feel F.Vision is all we'll see, because it offers the best ability for all situations on each map, where something like a jet pack, in Reach anyway, is a bit more situational based on map.
Reagan's BR
Banned
And Halo 2 and 3 BR starts.
Kinda sounds like you want Halo 2 back, which is fine.
Seems like you will be able easily make that happen in customs.
Also, words like 'majority' when you don't have data is pointless.
Mid-range weapon, it has to be balanced against the DMR somehow. I imagine that the DMR and BR will work well, especially if you manage to have both at the same time.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Is that even an option? I didn't think you could turn sprint off in any mode.
I like the sprint addition, for clarification.
Tha Robbertster
Member
The only thing they mentioned for ranking was that you'll get exp for doing certain things in matchmaking. When you level up, you get a certain amount of spartan points which you can spend on AA's, weapons etc.
No mentioning of a ranked system.
HigherLevel
Member
After hearing about Forerunner Vision, I don't even know why people would get upset. The more skilled player is still going to win the gunfight.
So listened to the podcast, had some good things and some answers left unanswered, which was gonna happen anyway. I'm happy to hear about increased movement speed and that sprint will be slowed when shot. I wasn't happy to hear that you unlock guns and have to buy them, maybe because I'm not used to it, hopefully it doesn't take too long to get the BR. Overall it was okay. The ending was sick, love that song.
They didn't speak about ranks or bleed through though, I wanted to know about those two things especially.
They didn't speak about ranks or bleed through though, I wanted to know about those two things especially.
A truly skilled player will use motion tracker to even better effect.
Hydranockz
Member
Does F.Vision limit more than simply having another ability? Does it get rid of the motion sensor or some such?
I can't listen yet (tonight, woo!), but a question:
Can unlock items for competitive in Spartan Ops
-Take your character from PvP games is meaningful going into Spartan Ops
-Building a character you feel attached to
-Planning, being strategic in Spartan Ops
Does this mean the full suite of unlockables can be completed in Spartan Ops? One of the things I love about Reach's investment system is how it's universal across game modes; I'll likely play much more Spartan Ops than MP, so it would be great if there were a similar universal pool of Spartan Points (please re-name these) that could be filled through any game mode.-Take your character from PvP games is meaningful going into Spartan Ops
-Building a character you feel attached to
-Planning, being strategic in Spartan Ops
Then what's the point of having it? At best it's a superfluous gimmick, at worst it's a crutch for stupid noobs.
I'll be it won't take long at all.
Heck, maybe you get experience for this stuff just by playing through the campaign. Once you finish that you get your BR unlocks.
Not too worried about that tbh.
Its the same progression in competitive and spartan ops. You can get all of your unlocks and 'levels' from spartan ops it sounds like.
Blink once if there is an EMP type grenade so when we hear the sonar sound of someone with F.Vision, we can throw it at our feet to fuck them over.
Blink twice if you enjoy burritos.
Eh. No inertia and a higher jump is fine, but the overall base speed was slow. At least sprint is in there since the base is still going to be slow.
Fits in with simultaneous melee and vehicle stun.
Still listening, but they did say the BR had hitscan, so it can't be that bad. Wait and see.
Assault Carbine sounds like the new-aged SMG.
After listening I'm not even going to bother writing my thoughts up at this point, mostly out of respect for 343, because they took the time to create this, and lastly because I'm not even sure how I feel about a lot of the things I heard until I reflect on them.
One thing I will say as just an instant impression, and I don't mean this with any disrespect, this is my opinion based on 60 minutes of audio, but I just don't get the sense that the team really do understand Halo. I mean, the comment, "We changed as much stuff as we could before it really felt whacky", or something to that effect just frightens me.
Perhaps this is just a psychological thing because when I used to listen to Bungie I knew they were the ones who engineered the mechanics I loved, so I had faith in what they were telling me, but I just don't get that here.
The last time one of my favourite franchises decided to change things up for the sake of it, adding fluid weapon spawns and stopping power on bullets I got Gears of War 2: perhaps the most monumental franchise fuck up in gaming history.
One thing I will say as just an instant impression, and I don't mean this with any disrespect, this is my opinion based on 60 minutes of audio, but I just don't get the sense that the team really do understand Halo. I mean, the comment, "We changed as much stuff as we could before it really felt whacky", or something to that effect just frightens me.
Perhaps this is just a psychological thing because when I used to listen to Bungie I knew they were the ones who engineered the mechanics I loved, so I had faith in what they were telling me, but I just don't get that here.
The last time one of my favourite franchises decided to change things up for the sake of it, adding fluid weapon spawns and stopping power on bullets I got Gears of War 2: perhaps the most monumental franchise fuck up in gaming history.
I didn't get that either. They transitioned from The Pit to talking about how weapons fly down from space. With The Pit as an example, none of the weapons on that map could fall from space, because it's an indoors environment.
Sprout out of the ground like curious rabbits.
Hydranockz
Member
Really happy to hear about the slowing down effect.
Holes in the ceiling. ;D
As for random weapon drops I totally expect this to happen:
Rocket spawn drops by you, you turn on cloak or F.vision, and camp near it so when someone comes in to grab it, you destroy them for wanting it. Free assassinations for life!
lybertyboy
Thinks the Evil Empire is just misunderstood.
Yes it's hitscan and yes skilled players will be able to compensate for the recoil.
This is one of the reasons I hesitated using that particular word when I was talking about it. It's recoil, not spread, but naturally the recoil is going to alter where the bullets hit.
And the spread?
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
So there's what, one new AA, or are they mentioning more? Forerunner vision sounds meh not exciting. Damn, I overestimated how much they would change. I guess I'm in the minority there though, was hoping for some serious differences. Still hopeful though.
Presumably that's always going to happen, but if everyone knows when a weapon is dropping and you can't get too close without getting asploded I doubt you have many options to camp.
The biggest factor in camping power weapons has always been the map layout (aka, the ledge and one-way teleporter by Rockets in Ascension.)
ElzarTheBam
Member
Fixed.
Barrel climb/recoil is probably the 'spread'
Each bullet is slightly higher than the last, you have to compensate.
They've been saying things that are the opposite of what I want in Halo for months now.They just described it as more rock paper scissors....
Yeah, I thought so. I think that's perfectly fine. Just want to see the clear differences, like the DMR being 2x scoped, or is it 3x? If so it might still derail larger maps if it is available in loadouts in playlists like BTB.
Differences between the Assault Carbine and the Assault Rifle, also.
They mentioned in the podcast that the DMR beats the BR in long range so I'm guess/hoping the DMR is 3x. It could be just the spread that's losing the battle for the BR though.
I hope so.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Every time we get new info it's like a damn AA meeting in here. Some people happy, some depressed, some have just lost faith. Roller coaster ride to launch, I presume.
Everything sounds great to me, and the few things I have worries about I will wait and actually see how they work before getting worked up.
Everything sounds great to me, and the few things I have worries about I will wait and actually see how they work before getting worked up.
One thing I'm slightly irked that they haven't clarified as of yet is the whole ethos behind Armour Abilities returning.
I remember when Halo 3 was revealed Bungie had a clear ethos with what they expected, and what they wanted to happen with Equipment, and how that would impact the sandbox. It was creative, and they broke it down from a design perspective.
Then with Reach, even though I didn't enjoy them, they again revealed the ethos, the design document if you will on what they interpreted Armour Abilities to be and why they were a good evolution to the idea of equipment.
With Halo 4 it just seems as if 343 are accepting and ignoring any explanation as to their interpretation of the mechanic, as if Bungie's design was nearly perfect and all that needed changing was balancing. Which to me sounds far too simplistic given the huge gameplay ramifications these have. They haven't given any reasoning or insight into their interpretation of Armour Abilities, and why, like they were originally an evolution of equipment, these are a smart evolution of their Reach brethren, which, I think we can almost unanimously conclude weren't great.
I remember when Halo 3 was revealed Bungie had a clear ethos with what they expected, and what they wanted to happen with Equipment, and how that would impact the sandbox. It was creative, and they broke it down from a design perspective.
Then with Reach, even though I didn't enjoy them, they again revealed the ethos, the design document if you will on what they interpreted Armour Abilities to be and why they were a good evolution to the idea of equipment.
With Halo 4 it just seems as if 343 are accepting and ignoring any explanation as to their interpretation of the mechanic, as if Bungie's design was nearly perfect and all that needed changing was balancing. Which to me sounds far too simplistic given the huge gameplay ramifications these have. They haven't given any reasoning or insight into their interpretation of Armour Abilities, and why, like they were originally an evolution of equipment, these are a smart evolution of their Reach brethren, which, I think we can almost unanimously conclude weren't great.