Is anyone really arguing that good writing doesn't matter?
I've seen people argue that the motivations of the Others didn't matter because they were pretty much out of the picture by the end of the show, that inconsistencies and plot holes weren't an issue "because science fiction / fantasy"... We're pretty far from good writing, there.
Is it really that hard to understand that sometimes things are greater than the sum of their parts, not a difficult concept in my opinion.
I guess I like it better when people actually explain why something is good instead of merely stating "sometimes, things are still ultimately good in spite of whatever criticism you can come up with"...
Whah? What part isn't true?
Unplugging the cork killed the light.
Yeah, because that's... how corks work, apparently? And then, putting the cork back fixes everything. Obviously.
Seems pretty straightforward indeed!
I'm not sure who would have put the cork there if putting the cork in place enabled life on Earth, though.
And if you can't reach that place normally,
and if the cave causes ultra-dangerous nosebleeds when it doesn't decide to turn people into smoke monsters...
It's irrelevant what he would have done, it only matters what he could have done, and that's murder everyone, and with no way to stop him.
Wow, now, that's some Grandmaster-Level Bullshit. They were all convinced the guy would destroy all of mankind... simply because
he could? Never mind if he had
any reason at all to actually go and do such a thing?
And what about
Jacob, if you go there? The Man in Black slaps people (that's going to be a sloooow apocalypse). Jacob puts them on rails for decades simply by touching them. Shouldn't we be worried? The guy is out there, and he touches people left and right!
Maybe he would have got a nice little place on the beach somewhere, made Ice Tea for the local children, fished and sun bathed all day, for eternity. Or maybe he'd murder whole towns for fun when he got bored.
Yeah, I know how bad guys are. Always being bad and stuff.
That'd be a problem, indeed. Man, if only someone could go and unplug that cork so the guy would be mortal again. But it's dangerous.
Jack could do it because he was the protector, but before that, clearly, nobody could have taken care of that. Not even the guy who's responsible for the whole thing in the first place, as that would have made far too much sense for him to clean his own mess instead of provoking Ben into stabbing him to death.
If you can't see the issue with allowing all powerful beings to do as they please
Sure, I mean, who isn't concerned about Hurley the Devourer of Worlds? I would imagine birds aren't too happy about Walt's new job either.
If he left the island, there would be no world to go back to. Everything would have gone to hell. A quote from season 2, episode 4: "Butterflys will die, bee's will stop making honey, hell the whole damn thing will fall apart"
And since that wouldn't exactly do much good for the Man in Black himself, on the contrary, I guess that means the guy was a complete idiot the whole time. Yay for our main antagonist.
The moment the MiB leaves the island, as Widmore says: "everyone will cease to exist."
And yet, again, that same Widmore helped the guy in exchange for his daughter's life.
The Man in Black, too, sure acted as if he planned to
personally kill everybody out there upon leaving, in that scene. Why? Who the fuck knows. He's the bad guy. Should be enough, right?
Yep. Major hints are given as to why its all important. One of the characters when talking about the light says "if the light goes out here, it goes out for everyone," maybe paraphrasing that a bit. And then what do we see during the afterlife scene at the very end? The white light. Coincidence? No.
Because dead characters walking towards a blinding light is something that's never been done before. And that's why the connection is so striking.
Sorry, but...
Locke sees this light in the first season
Wasn't that supposed to be the Smoke Monster?
(... who could turn into light back then... yeah...)
Eloise and the mother character both spoke of the ramifications that would happen on an almost universal scale if Jack and the rest of them did not go back to the island to see through the reason that they were there.
Yeah? I remember Hawking saying something awfully vague (like, "they have to go back, or god help us", something among those lines).
Then it turned out that them going back with Locke's corpse actually was what triggered the events of the last seasons (because the Man in Black absolutely needed Locke's corpse, don't ask why, he just
did).
Well, whoopsie. Maybe she was talking about something else, then? Guess we'll never know.
(... Or maybe she's just a drama queen who says ominous-yet-terribly-vague stuff all the damn time, even in the flash-sideways...)
the story was essentially about the character journeys and development
Yeah, like Lindelof said in that recent interview, it was all about them forgiving themselves for their sins.
Off-screen, presumably.
I mean, they didn't even seem to feel much guilt in the first place.
Ah, well, if the showrunner says that's what happened...
That is obviously not the case. It couldn't be literally the end of the world, or why would he bother doing it? He wants to see the world he came from, but he couldn't because it would cease to exist when he left? Why would he even leave?
You and your damn logic! Begone!
I'll tell you EXACTLY why this is the case.
Because..... and listen very closely..... this will blow your mind.....
The MiB, was just a man and he didnt have a clue that would happen.
So the real tragedy is that nobody thought of telling him about that little detail in two thousand years?
I've seen him in the Prometheus thread as well. Over there he would spew hatred for a film which hasn't even been released.
I was criticizing the viral marketing. Reading helps.
Widmore was just power hungry for the island. That's all Widmore ever was.
Which is why it made perfect sense for Jacob to go to him and talk about his plan regarding the Heart of the Island and all that jazz, I guess...
The MiB literally didnt have a clue about the world being destroyed if he got off the island. Its not so much him getting off..... its more down to him unplugging the cork(which he was chained to) and taking the rest of the evil that lay waiting underneath the island with him.
If he was "chained to the cork" and needed to unplug it in order to leave (destroying the island and the world, according to your scenario), just what was he planning to do before Widmore told him about Jacob's "Desmond plan"? How was he going to leave?
be careful of him, he is our MiB in this thread. he will write long winded diatribes to convince you that you have wasted all of your life watching a show that was a lie. he will try to convince you that you have bad taste. do not let him speak. for once is enough.
How creative. I guess one could also say that I...
need to let go!
You know? Like on the show. Haw!
Okay, so why was Jacob killed?
(and "why didn't Jacob seem to mind all that much about that?", incidentally... the whole Obi-Wan thingy sure was a bit of a wash...)
