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[Wheeljack539]

I absolutely agree with this, however....

...upon second viewing, I don't think the 'wild' hulk comes just from rage. The way the scene is filmed leading up to him hulking out on the helicarrier, it is obvious that Loki (or, the staff, rather) is manipulating Banner's transformation/control. Actually, the staff is affecting them all negatively, the long camera flip into the upside-down argument being framed by the staff is a clear indication of this...and then for Banner to grab the thing, it just breaks down the walls of control that he has worked to build up.

Did anyone else notice that when Loki was first brought aboard the Helicarrier that when he passed by the labs he made eye contact with Bruce? And that immediately after Bruce began to rub his eyes? Think that could have been a contributor as well?

 

[richiek]

I'm really digging all this Hulk discussion here. I've seen (and enjoyed) Ang Lee's Hulk, and I've seen Avengers, but I haven't seen TIH. It's on my shortlist now.

A question, do the films jive with each other? I know that TIH is the same world as Avengers, but is Ang Lee's Hulk part of that? Or should it be taken completely separately?

In The Avengers, when Banner says that he "broke Harlem", it refers to his fight with the Abomination in TIH. Also, there's alot of Captain America references in TIH (Cap mentions this in the Avengers).

 

[Wheeljack539]

In The Avengers, when Banner says that he "broke Harlem", it refers to his fight with the Abomination in TIH. Also, there's alot of Captain America references in TIH (Cap mentions this in the Avengers).

And if I remember correctly, in Captain America as Steve is in the machine and the vitarays are about to be turned on as the camera focuses on his face as everything is 'happening' he gives off the Bixby/Norton 'face' just before they Hulk-out, just without the green glowing eyes.

 

[DoubleTap]

Been lurking here on and off but thought I'd let you guys know that ordering for the Hot Toys Iron Man Mark VI Avengers just opened, if any of you were interested.

Link please?

 

[lethial]

Someone just made a Helicarrier case for the Marvel Cinematic Universe films:

http://davesgeekyideas.com/2012/05/13/avengers-collection-blu-ray-case/

All I can do is laugh at how ridiculous that would look on some neck beards mantel or in his display case next to his Avengers dolls.

 

[Feran]

Link please?

Here you go.

 

[DoubleTap]

Here you go.

Thanks! The price is surprisingly reasonable compared to the other releases.

 

[Cartman86]

Someone just made a Helicarrier case for the Marvel Cinematic Universe films:

http://davesgeekyideas.com/2012/05/13/avengers-collection-blu-ray-case/

Total fail. Discs should be in the rotor engines.

 

[Hawkian]

Whatever haters, I think that's cool as hell.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Liev Schreiber nailed Sabretooth IMHO.

*nods*

You know what is what.

Every time I watch the movie (I have seen it more than I should) I think Liev had fun being Sabretooth.

Yes, the movie is crap. But he was Sabretooth. Better than Tyler Mane did by a long shot.

 

[Hawkian]

The fact that those movies are supposed to be in the same universe and that Sabretooth is supposedly the same character is a fucking atrocity.

edit: Huh, interesting: http://maskofreason.wordpress.com/2012/05/23/very-good-writing-why-loki-won-in-the-avengers/

Tl;dr version: Theory that Loki actually "won" because getting back to Asgard and tricking Thor/the Avengers into a false sense of security was his plan all along, since he had no way to get back to Asgard otherwise. Now even though the Tessaract is out of Thanos' reach he's poised to use Loki to steal the Infinity Gauntlet. An interesting idea although the author seems to think Loki was privy to all aspects of the plan whereas it's clear he didn't even know Thanos' identity.

 

[KevinCow]

I can't wait to watch this frame by frame in HD when the blu-ray comes out.

 

[LakeEarth]

An interesting idea although the author seems to think Loki was privy to all aspects of the plan whereas it's clear he didn't even know Thanos' identity.

You're right about this. In the scene where he has the 'vision' of the other world, he totally looks up the steps to where Thanos was, as if he was trying to get a peak of him.

 

[neojubei]

Days of Future past is one of the best storylines ever, why would you put a piece of crap like Bishop anywhere near it?

what????????? Bishop isn't some piece of crap.

 

[Hawkian]

what????????? Bishop isn't some piece of crap.

That made me sad too, I've always liked Bishop. Though Future Kitty is awesome.

 

[richiek]

I can't wait to watch this frame by frame in HD when the blu-ray comes out.

Should have used the Marvel vs Capcom 3 KO font:

 

[Subprime]

maybe ultimate banner is, but historically he's a peaceful timid guy.

Fair enough. Ultimates is the only avengers related thing that I've ever cared about.

Whatever haters, I think that's cool as hell.

If I saw that in someones house while walking in I would turn the fuck around immediately

 

[neorej]

I can't wait to watch this frame by frame in HD when the blu-ray comes out.

I keep watching this gif over and over!

I especially like the little details like the saliva spewing out of Hulk's mouth.

 

[Good Job Bob]

The fact that those movies are supposed to be in the same universe and that Sabretooth is supposedly the same character is a fucking atrocity.

edit: Huh, interesting: http://maskofreason.wordpress.com/2012/05/23/very-good-writing-why-loki-won-in-the-avengers/

Tl;dr version: Theory that Loki actually "won" because getting back to Asgard and tricking Thor/the Avengers into a false sense of security was his plan all along, since he had no way to get back to Asgard otherwise. Now even though the Tessaract is out of Thanos' reach he's poised to use Loki to steal the Infinity Gauntlet. An interesting idea although the author seems to think Loki was privy to all aspects of the plan whereas it's clear he didn't even know Thanos' identity.

I guarantee that's bullshit.

 

[Jasoneyu]

Total fail. Discs should be in the rotor engines.

they do..


http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/...sgeekyideas-SHIELD-logo-Disney-Collectors.jpg

 

[Tom_Cody]

I can't wait to watch this frame by frame in HD when the blu-ray comes out.

This animation needs to be in the next MVC somehow.

 

[Zabka]

The fact that those movies are supposed to be in the same universe and that Sabretooth is supposedly the same character is a fucking atrocity.

edit: Huh, interesting: http://maskofreason.wordpress.com/2012/05/23/very-good-writing-why-loki-won-in-the-avengers/

Tl;dr version: Theory that Loki actually "won" because getting back to Asgard and tricking Thor/the Avengers into a false sense of security was his plan all along, since he had no way to get back to Asgard otherwise. Now even though the Tessaract is out of Thanos' reach he's poised to use Loki to steal the Infinity Gauntlet. An interesting idea although the author seems to think Loki was privy to all aspects of the plan whereas it's clear he didn't even know Thanos' identity.

If his goal was to get back, and the tesseract was the only way back, why not just use it himself?

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

The usage of Tvtropes vocabulary makes that not worth reading.

That said, Loki did know who Thanos was. That's why he was scared shitless.

 

[Good Job Bob]

I loved this part:

And all of this points to one thing – Joss Whedon is a fucking genius

LOL

I guarantee none of that is true and Loki dies defending Ashard/whatever in some bullshit redemption cliche.

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

I loved this part:



LOL

I guarantee none of that is true and Loki dies defending Ashard/whatever in some bullshit redemption cliche.

If he's from Tvtropes that kind of thing isn't to be surprised, it started as a Buffy fansite. But avatarquote.

I doubt Loki just goes out like that. Marvel seems to be following more or less the way the characters act from the comics and Loki will probably just get crazier.

 

[Hawkian]

The usage of Tvtropes vocabulary makes that not worth reading.

That said, Loki did know who Thanos was. That's why he was scared shitless.

Wait, what evidence do you have for this? Why was he constantly maneuvering to try and look up the stairs in that one scene if he already knew Thanos' identity?

I guarantee none of that is true and Loki dies defending Ashard/whatever in some bullshit redemption cliche.

Well... none of what's theorized here is incompatible with him eventually desiring redemption and dying defending Asgard. So, I neither agree nor disagree with either half of your sentence.

 

[Good Job Bob]

Well... none of what's theorized here is incompatible with him eventually desiring redemption and dying defending Asgard. So, I neither agree nor disagree with either half of your sentence.

Handing the Infinity Gauntlet to Thanos wouldn't be a good way to gain redemption.

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

Wait, what evidence do you have for this? Why was he constantly maneuvering to try and look up the stairs in that one scene if he already knew Thanos' identity?

The Chitauri leader is constantly saying "he" gave him the staff and is giving him the army. You would assume Loki specifically went to Thanos for help. Loki is scared shitless of him, considering this is the guy who gets all uppity with Heimdall, Thor and the Hulk, you should assume he has a reason to.

 

[Mondriaan]

I guarantee none of that is true and Loki dies defending Ashard/whatever in some bullshit redemption cliche.

I can't see Disney killing off any major Marvel characters at this point, not even a villain.

Realistically there's probably a higher chance of a Loki movie than killing Loki off. I'm probably biased since there's also a higher chance that I would go see a Loki movie than a sequel to the Thor movie.

 

[Host Samurai]

The movie was great but I had one complaint. Why only Loki? that was mega lame. The movie could have just been Thor 2. Marvel has such a deep cast of villains and they just use Loki, Thors arch rival. I never felt he was much of a threat when hes up fighting Thor, Hulk, Capt and Iron Man.

 

[Hawkian]

Handing the Infinity Gauntlet to Thanos wouldn't be a good way to gain redemption.

...it could... happen after that?

The Chitauri leader is constantly saying "he" gave him the staff and is giving him the army. You would assume Loki specifically went to Thanos for help. Loki is scared shitless of him, considering this is the guy who gets all uppity with Heimdall, Thor and the Hulk, you should assume he has a reason to.

I assumed Loki ran into the Chitauri and formed an alliance with them without realizing who was pulling the strings. The fact that the Other is referencing "him" to Loki paints the picture of a nearly omniscient force that Loki had reason to respect and fear without having any insight into its identity. I don't understand what the point of that aspect of the scene I mentioned would be if you are right about this.

 

[StarCreator]

The movie was great but I had one complaint. Why only Loki? that was mega lame. The movie could have just been Thor 2. Marvel has such a deep cast of villains and they just use Loki, Thors arch rival. I never felt he was much of a threat when hes up fighting Thor, Hulk, Capt and Iron Man.

See Spider-Man 3 for reasons why you don't have more than one major villain in a superhero movie.

 

[Escape Goat]

The movie was great but I had one complaint. Why only Loki? that was mega lame. The movie could have just been Thor 2. Marvel has such a deep cast of villains and they just use Loki, Thors arch rival. I never felt he was much of a threat when hes up fighting Thor, Hulk, Capt and Iron Man.

Loki was just the force that brought the Skrull army to Earth. He wasn't supposed to be taking them all out by himself. The movie was supposed to establish the heroes and ease them into a team environment. With only 2 hours with which to tell this story you have to balance time between character moments, action and exposition.

I think anything more and it would have been a clusterfuck with everything suffering from lack of development.

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

The movie was great but I had one complaint. Why only Loki? that was mega lame. The movie could have just been Thor 2. Marvel has such a deep cast of villains and they just use Loki, Thors arch rival. I never felt he was much of a threat when hes up fighting Thor, Hulk, Capt and Iron Man.

In the comics, the Avengers first formed to stop Loki.

...it could... happen after that?

I assumed Loki ran into the Chitauri and formed an alliance with them without realizing who was pulling the strings. The fact that the Other is referencing "him" to Loki paints the picture of a nearly omniscient force that Loki had reason to respect and fear without having any insight into its identity. I don't understand what the point of that aspect of the scene I mentioned would be if you are right about this.

Loki wouldn't believe it if he has no reason to. And even if he doesn't know exactly who he is, he knows the basics.

See Spider-Man 3 for reasons why you don't have more than one major villain in a superhero movie.

Batman Begins and Dark Knight have two each.

 

[The Lamonster]

There is a huge cast of protagonists so having a lot of antagonists would just become convoluted.

 

[SilentProtagonist]

The movie was great but I had one complaint. Why only Loki? that was mega lame. The movie could have just been Thor 2. Marvel has such a deep cast of villains and they just use Loki, Thors arch rival. I never felt he was much of a threat when hes up fighting Thor, Hulk, Capt and Iron Man.

Loki was the original enemy that lead the avengers forming in the comic.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Movie felt weird to me. I don't read comics.

It felt like it was set in the Iron Man movie universe for obvious reasons and would be placed between Iron Man 2 and 3. All the other crossover heroes and supernatural stuff happening is weird feeling.

 

[Good Job Bob]

Movie felt weird to me. I don't read comics.

It felt like it was set in the Iron Man movie universe for obvious reasons and would be placed between Iron Man 2 and 3. All the other crossover heroes and supernatural stuff happening is weird feeling.

All of these movies take place in the same universe (Marvel Cinematic Universe):

And yes it does take place between IM2 and IM3.

 

[agrajag]

That article is such rubbish. Why such a convoluted plan to get taken back captive to Asgard? Hell, Thor was going to take him to Asgard halfway through the film, when he busted him out. Why not just go with him, if that's what he wanted?

 

[richiek]

The movie was great but I had one complaint. Why only Loki? that was mega lame. The movie could have just been Thor 2. Marvel has such a deep cast of villains and they just use Loki, Thors arch rival. I never felt he was much of a threat when hes up fighting Thor, Hulk, Capt and Iron Man.

 

[Hex]

The movie was great but I had one complaint. Why only Loki? that was mega lame. The movie could have just been Thor 2. Marvel has such a deep cast of villains and they just use Loki, Thors arch rival. I never felt he was much of a threat when hes up fighting Thor, Hulk, Capt and Iron Man.

Blame the movie makers for that.
Loki is a very powerful character.
If movie-verse wants to puss away from magic or other things then everyone not in big suits of armor with big canons will look weak and that will apply to a shit ton of characters.

 

[Host Samurai]

Also is Spiderman apart of the Avengers universe in the films? I know he wasn't in the movie but its fun to speculate. I can imagine the shit storm if the Fantastic 4 were in the same universe. Capt A vs Human Torch lol.

 

[Escape Goat]

Also is Spiderman apart of the Avengers universe in the films? I know he wasn't in the movie but its fun to speculate. I can imagine the shit storm if the Fantastic 4 were in the same universe. Capt A vs Human Torch lol.

Sadly, no. Spidey rights are owned by Sony. Marvel licensed the rights back when they were in financial trouble (Before Disney bought them) so X-Men, Spidey and Daredevil are produced by non-Marvel studios.

 

[Good Job Bob]

Also is Spiderman apart of the Avengers universe in the films? I know he wasn't in the movie but its fun to speculate. I can imagine the shit storm if the Fantastic 4 were in the same universe. Capt A vs Human Torch lol.

Neither the F4 or Spidey is, not yet atleast.

 

[.GqueB.]

That would still make it Norton's fault :lol

Lol, Touche. Forgot about that.

 

[TrumanBurbank]

Neither the F4 or Spidey is, not yet atleast.

So do you like Whedon or not? Or do you think Whedon is bad but not as bad as Cameron?
Your avatar confuses me.

 

[neojubei]

It's probably good marvel lost the movie rights to the xmen and spider-man, made marvel think about using other less popular characters in movies and it paid off.

 

[agrajag]

I don't read comic books, but I was reading through a comic wiki the other day, reading up on the Marvel universe (it was fascinating) and they did have some crossovers with the Fantastic Four and Spiderman. With X-Men too, I believe.

 

[Escape Goat]

So do you like Whedon or not? Or do you think Whedon is bad but not as bad as Cameron?
Your avatar confuses me.

Bobs stance on Whedon is evolving.

 

[Woorloog]

Hmph. Went to watch this as my friend suggested Battleship, and based on ratings, i suggested this and he accepted. I'm pretty sure i made the right call but i think this movie is overrated, at least for someone who visits movies rarely and who is not a fan of superheros in general (but neither do i hate them, just indifferent toward them).
I haven't seen but Iron Man before this, and i don't read comics, so the continuity and stuff didn't make much sense to me. Everybody being after a macguffin without knowing where did it come from and so on... well, let's just say that i stopped bothering with the plot after 5 minutes. Not that there was much of a plot in the first place.
Whedon's style is distinct. Liked the way the characters were introduced. Liked the periodic comedic moment a lot.
Pretty to look at, nice action, occasionally funny dialogue and okay characters... not sure how to express it but it feels like this were an empty shell, no substance, just a lot of stuff going on but no real thought behind it.