The main difference is that it would've been a competently executed film.
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The main difference is that it would've been a competently executed film.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Or it would have been a visually stunning, racially offensive mess, like James Cameron's last work. Oops, did I say that out loud?
Wish I could read all the posts in this thread, but it's already so massive.
Anyway, even if I didn't have my expectations high, I think I would have been let down by the film. Character motivations all over the place, logical disconnects and pacing was...weird. It seems as though they thought, "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if we had the android from Alien succeed but then also redeem himself like Aliens?"
My main problems were character motivations for sure, and some of the plot was pretty telegraphed. "But I can't have babies. Let's have passionate sex. Oh, I'm pregnant."/"Let's have sex so are two people left behind have all the reason in the world to die with no one to monitor them."
As for the ending reveal of that fully formed alien, I gather they have two movies set up: A mission to find out what happened on the planet (despite...uh, what's her face sending a message to never ever go there) and second, where they visit the engineers' home world.
One of the things that bugged me, though trivial, was the scene where Charlize and the other girl were running away from the crashed alien ship. At first when they showed distant shots of them running, it appeared as though they were running perpendicular to it's direction, but as the scene progressed, they were actual running in the direct path to where it would roll. At one point, it even looked as though they were in the clear because they were running diagonally...until the next scene showed them right back in the pathway again.
As much as I loved the visuals, I can't believe how disappointed I was in it as a whole. I even went for free and still felt my time was wasted.
Sad to think that the feeling I got after watching that pseudo-TED promotion a while back was ultimately the same feeling I'd have from the movie.
Anyway, even if I didn't have my expectations high, I think I would have been let down by the film. Character motivations all over the place, logical disconnects and pacing was...weird. It seems as though they thought, "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if we had the android from Alien succeed but then also redeem himself like Aliens?"
My main problems were character motivations for sure, and some of the plot was pretty telegraphed. "But I can't have babies. Let's have passionate sex. Oh, I'm pregnant."/"Let's have sex so are two people left behind have all the reason in the world to die with no one to monitor them."
As for the ending reveal of that fully formed alien, I gather they have two movies set up: A mission to find out what happened on the planet (despite...uh, what's her face sending a message to never ever go there) and second, where they visit the engineers' home world.
One of the things that bugged me, though trivial, was the scene where Charlize and the other girl were running away from the crashed alien ship. At first when they showed distant shots of them running, it appeared as though they were running perpendicular to it's direction, but as the scene progressed, they were actual running in the direct path to where it would roll. At one point, it even looked as though they were in the clear because they were running diagonally...until the next scene showed them right back in the pathway again.
As much as I loved the visuals, I can't believe how disappointed I was in it as a whole. I even went for free and still felt my time was wasted.
Sad to think that the feeling I got after watching that pseudo-TED promotion a while back was ultimately the same feeling I'd have from the movie.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Because super-white gods planning to destroy Earth and other beings with the black stuff that attacks them from the inside isn't racist? C'MON SON!
lulz
Yes, but it would've been a competently-executed visually stunning, racially offensive mess!
Trust me, I DESPISE Avatar, but it's an objectively better-executed film than Prometheus. It's a "dumber" film than Prometheus, but it doesn't fall flat on its face despite its high-minded concepts like Prometheus does.
Please don't take anything I'm saying as a defense of Prometheus' execution.
But I still only blame Ridley tangentially for the problems it has. Lindelof seems very much the bigger culprit, with Ridley Scott's main crime being trusting his vision to someone so utterly incapable of translating it into a script.
Cameron has only himself to blame for his descent into environmentalist/primitivist obsession.
Please don't take anything I'm saying as a defense of Prometheus' execution.
But I still only blame Ridley tangentially for the problems it has. Lindelof seems very much the bigger culprit, with Ridley Scott's main crime being trusting his vision to someone so utterly incapable of translating it into a script.
Ridley Scott was both director and producer -- he HAS to share a fair proportion of the blame for this debacle.
Definitely. I didn't say I don't lay any blame at his feet. He chose Lindelof and that was a shitty choice, among others that were clearly his (random reworking of plot elements in the editing booth). But a competent screenplay would have done more for this movie than any other individual element.
Count Dookkake
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Add holes in his hands.
BattleMonkey
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They might have asked if David didn't just open the door
near
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Got to see this the other day and I actually think its the best Sci-Fi I've ever seen. Great script, impressive acting, excellent visuals what more could you possibly want. Normally, I'd dissect this film to shreds and find portions I do no appreciate but I'm not going to ruin this lasting impression it's left on me. Even if I try, I know I'm still going to adore how all the departments that make a good film join together to make this one epic spectacle.
In terms of how this stands against Avatar - not that I'd even compare the two but since everyones doing it - Prometheus makes Avatar look like child's play.
In terms of how this stands against Avatar - not that I'd even compare the two but since everyones doing it - Prometheus makes Avatar look like child's play.
i fucking loved it too but...run from this thread now! it has turned into:
space jesus
pot smoking scientist
vaginas
face raping
sex
penises
abortions
avatar
james cameron
cultist
demon littleoff
ridley didley
and tons of other things
that being said i have been having a great time reading this thread lol
*sigh* this is ZULFATE
SCULLIBUNDO
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Yeah, because Avatar didn't have any rape scenes. When Ridley goes hard enough to explore forced alien inter-species bestiality, you let me know!
Is there a sequel planned for this? Just watched the movie and i must say this was the best 3D movie i saw so far the picture quality was great. I just learned this was a "sequel" to alien so i'm not sure if i missed anything because i never watched alien before. About the movie, it was relatively good although i expected a lot better story and more developed characters, it was just kind of shallow experience. If there is a sequel i hope they will improve this parts because the story has some potential...
SCULLIBUNDO
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It isn't a sequel to Alien, it is a quasi-prequel.
I don't see any c*ck to mouth scene in Avatar. Prometheus wins the "How can we show porn without making one" award.
Ridley: 1, Cameron: 0.
GhostWriter24
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As an avid movie-goer, Hollywood film/tv industry peon and casual admirer of the first two films (seen them both once each) I thoroughly enjoyed Promethius.
Gorgeous imagery and a seriously awesome performance from the man in my avatar. I also grew to love Shaw. Kept me enthralled throughout, would definitely buy a true trilogy if they released this alongside Alien and Aliens.
**** 1/2 of 5
Gorgeous imagery and a seriously awesome performance from the man in my avatar. I also grew to love Shaw. Kept me enthralled throughout, would definitely buy a true trilogy if they released this alongside Alien and Aliens.
**** 1/2 of 5
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Bro, in Avatar you have ALIEN PIMPS. These blue assholes antagonize animals, get hard for the one that is the most desperate in screeching for them to leave them alone and then force themselves on them to the cheering of their friends - after which point the animals develop stockholm syndrome and become perversely exclusive to their attacker.
The damage isn't just sexual, it's psychological.
All that is missing from the scene is a pinball machine.
BrLvgThrChmstry
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I agree wholeheartedly. Very enjoyable film. Love almost every moment of it.
Please, that ain't rape, those bird thingies were asking for it, flying around all naked with their vaginapenis for the world to see.
Sluts.
Is that an indirect way of saying "I'm an expert"?
I think it's a mysterious way of saying "I bring coffee to the set of Eagleheart".
I kid! I kid!
Robot Pants
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Agreed.
I bet Fincher could make a really great Aliens movie now though. First time around wasn't his fault.
I enjoyed this movie but like a poster above said, when the 2 girls were running from the crashing ship that was beyond stupid. The one girl trips and then just rolls to the fuckin side and had me thinking "why the hell didnt you just run to the side the whole time?" I hope they create a sequel or two.
I would have believed that the ship was too big that even running to side would have been pointless...
But then she falls, rolls a few times which maybe got her 10ft at MOST. And apparently that was enough to get out of harms way. seriously wth.
SCULLIBUNDO
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They should have at least made it that that the ship was crashing vertically into a chasm whose rocky walls were blocking their horizontal exits. Then Noomi spots a rift in the wall and dives for cover.
Or you know, not put a scene where someone have to outrun a crashing spaceship, because it's fucking stupid?
GhostWriter24
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Yes, and you've just shot yourself in the foot.
I won't lie, that's pretty much the kind of shit I do here.
Its like when a car is coming at you you dont immediately think to run to the side.
SCULLIBUNDO
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You either freeze up or run to the side. I guarantee you nobody that is moving is running the same direction the car is going. :lol
Unless you're in a shitty slasher movie.
It was my conclusion that the Engineers didn't return to Earth after their initial seeding. It was just that the "star chart" is innate imagery passed down from person to person. And, if you're an artist, there's possibility of drawing that star chart. Sort of like a baby bird just knows how to fly, we all "know" where we come from.
My bad. I'd get Ridley to apologize for this messy trainwreck and cancel Prometheus 2.
I don't think that's the case. It was plainly stated that those ancient civilizations never came in contact with one another.
That's nothing to be ashamed of, in fact, I would imagine it can be a pretty cool job.I won't lie, that's pretty much the kind of shit I do here.
It's just doesn't give any more weight to your opinions about Prometheus.
i liked the movie. it was a bit busy (too many characters), but the music was good, it looked nice, and i liked the actors.
questions:
1. why did the engineer go after shaw at the end
2. why did the geologist try to go to the snake thing
3. why did the engineer go after shaw at the end
i think most of everyone's questions or complaints can be answered or aren't a big deal, but i think the stuff you could cut and not lose anything (and actually improve) in the film are:
1. the opening scene
2. the ending scene with the protoxeno
3. everything involving fifeld and snake man
questions:
1. why did the engineer go after shaw at the end
2. why did the geologist try to go to the snake thing
3. why did the engineer go after shaw at the end
i think most of everyone's questions or complaints can be answered or aren't a big deal, but i think the stuff you could cut and not lose anything (and actually improve) in the film are:
1. the opening scene
2. the ending scene with the protoxeno
3. everything involving fifeld and snake man
What? The opening scene is the best part of the movie.
The problem is that you have civilizations with the exact same star chart that didn't even know they existed.
Like the Mayans and Egyptians. There's no way they could have the exact same picture without them contacting each other, which didn't happen.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
So I gave this a second chance with a friend who wanted to see it for the first time. When it was over, she turned to me and said, "What the fuck was that?" So that's one new impression.
I didn't get a whole lot more out of the second viewing. The overall structure felt a touch more consistent, but it's still a muddled mess. There were a lot of wacky theories in this thread about the Engineer's motives, that they weren't really heading for Earth, etc. But I think you have to take what a movie gives you in terms of exposition, otherwise you can just ignore anything anyone says in any movie, ever. They definitely made us, and they were definitely headed towards Earth 2,000 years ago with a ship full of death goo to wipe us out, and something went terribly wrong. Christian symbology is all over the movie, so the "space Jesus" explanation is pretty valid, but no, the movie does not explicitly explain why, or what happened.
Most everything else that was wrong with it still felt wrong a second time. But damn, the auto-surgery scene is SO GOOD. Fuck. It might deserve to be a Famous Movie Scene. It's actually a microcosm of why the rest of the movie doesn't work--I can forgive everything that's dumb about the scene (they couldn't fit lady-surgery instructions into this thing? how the fuck does black goo sperm result in a squid baby?) because the scene itself is amazing! It's excused. There's just nothing to hang onto in the rest of the movie, so you end up nitpicking it to death.
I didn't get a whole lot more out of the second viewing. The overall structure felt a touch more consistent, but it's still a muddled mess. There were a lot of wacky theories in this thread about the Engineer's motives, that they weren't really heading for Earth, etc. But I think you have to take what a movie gives you in terms of exposition, otherwise you can just ignore anything anyone says in any movie, ever. They definitely made us, and they were definitely headed towards Earth 2,000 years ago with a ship full of death goo to wipe us out, and something went terribly wrong. Christian symbology is all over the movie, so the "space Jesus" explanation is pretty valid, but no, the movie does not explicitly explain why, or what happened.
Most everything else that was wrong with it still felt wrong a second time. But damn, the auto-surgery scene is SO GOOD. Fuck. It might deserve to be a Famous Movie Scene. It's actually a microcosm of why the rest of the movie doesn't work--I can forgive everything that's dumb about the scene (they couldn't fit lady-surgery instructions into this thing? how the fuck does black goo sperm result in a squid baby?) because the scene itself is amazing! It's excused. There's just nothing to hang onto in the rest of the movie, so you end up nitpicking it to death.
just had a friend show me that just like 20 minutes ago. again, i think most of it can be explained, is asked in the film, or is kinda wrong (it's the geologist who clearly wants nothing to do with biology who wants to leave).
Baller. PhD
Banned
So I just sat down and watched the blu-ray of the original Alien that had been sitting on my shelf forever, and I hate to break it to you dudes but that movie was pretty fucking stupid too. The guy who got facehugged at the beginning was messing with the clearly "live" eggs just like the Prometheus guy messed with the snake thing. The guy in Alien even knew that he was on a long-dead ship that had clearly crash landed. At least in Prometheus they initially weren't sure if they dome they were entering was natural or constructed. The dudes in Alien knew they were heading into an abandoned ship, and yet they didn't bring any weapons either. This wasn't even a science expedition! 
Furthermore, the characters constantly go off on their own and no one bats an eyelash, even after it's obvious that there's a giant ass alien on the ship that is killing them. "Giant alien just killed captain of the ship in the air ducts? Fuck you I'm mad, I'll be in my bunk!" (paraphrased dialogue). Oh, speaking of the alien, the Xeno in the original movie grew a hell of a lot faster than the squidhugger in Prometheus. OG Xeno went from infant to giant monster in like 15 minutes, lol. Also what the fuck is up with everyone risking their lives for the stupid cat? I love my pets too but god damn that was some dumb ass shit. I just... ugh. Why didn't the crew start rolling in a pack from the very beginning? Why did a HUGE ship only have a crew of 7, and why was there only one escape pod that could only hold 4? Give me a break.
You guys are looking at this series with rose-tinted glasses. It was always pretty silly, convenient and "filmy." At least Prometheus was absolutely breathtaking to look at. Besides, it's fairly safe to assume that things like the variable behavior of the black goo will be fully explained in a sequel.
tl;dr - Prometheus may have flaws, but it borrowed them all from the original Alien.
Furthermore, the characters constantly go off on their own and no one bats an eyelash, even after it's obvious that there's a giant ass alien on the ship that is killing them. "Giant alien just killed captain of the ship in the air ducts? Fuck you I'm mad, I'll be in my bunk!" (paraphrased dialogue). Oh, speaking of the alien, the Xeno in the original movie grew a hell of a lot faster than the squidhugger in Prometheus. OG Xeno went from infant to giant monster in like 15 minutes, lol. Also what the fuck is up with everyone risking their lives for the stupid cat? I love my pets too but god damn that was some dumb ass shit. I just... ugh. Why didn't the crew start rolling in a pack from the very beginning? Why did a HUGE ship only have a crew of 7, and why was there only one escape pod that could only hold 4? Give me a break.
You guys are looking at this series with rose-tinted glasses. It was always pretty silly, convenient and "filmy." At least Prometheus was absolutely breathtaking to look at. Besides, it's fairly safe to assume that things like the variable behavior of the black goo will be fully explained in a sequel.
tl;dr - Prometheus may have flaws, but it borrowed them all from the original Alien.
it makes the reveal of what the engineers look like and what the black goo does less dramatic.
The Nostromo crew were basically space truckers. The Prometheus crew were supposed to be scientists or generally very intelligent people.
Space truckers acting like idiots when faced with the unknown? I'd believe. Scientists acting like idiots when faced with the unknown? Come on.
Space truckers acting like idiots when faced with the unknown? I'd believe. Scientists acting like idiots when faced with the unknown? Come on.
â Narayan
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That's not the point he's trying to make though. He's just stating that maybe these ancient civilizations drew these giant figures and constellations because it was simply built into them.
I saw the film for the second time today. This was a 2D viewing. Does anyone else find the CG in this film much more palatable in 2D than in 3D? In 3D, you can really see where the CG stands out.
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