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It's my interpretation partially confirmed on his original intention. He said they decided to scrap that from shooting because it was too "on the nose", that also means too obvious, guess he wanted to make the thing more ambigous (as it is indeed a pretty shit-storm inducing implication). Even if it's not in the movie he aint saying if it is or isn't true.
Film is already pretty bold (in that regard) in a way although the script knows how to find ways around that going with the whole "but what created them?" sorta thing. Assuming that the first scene shows an alien sacrificing himself in some sort of ritual to create life on a planet (possibly earth).
The movie does suggest it with the 2000 years line and a lot of christ-like imagery. It's definitely a valid analysis of the text. It's just silly to say it's not. The movie begs the question, to deny the one most obvious answer isn't it just because the movie doesn't come right out and bang you on the head with it is silly.
Clayton Bigsby
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Dont get me wrong, like I said before, I would love if that were true. I just cant see it in the movie in anyway. Hopefully that is the direction they go in if they make a sequel. I can just imagine the outrage that certain groups will have.
I totally get looking at that angle. But just as you said it is kinda dumb to deny the obvious answer, I think explaining the movie's plot holes with vague interviews where he states they scrapped that very idea funny. I am open to that explanation, I just wish it was in the film in some way.
There was really nothing in the film that would indicate Jesus was a space alien, really. One thing that could possibly have been the closest thing would be the murals of said alien pointing to the star system, but having existed pan-culturally and predating Jesus lends no one to the idea that Jesus was an alien.
Interesting idea, but not even hinted in any subtle fashion.
[edit] Maharg: Good point, totally forgot about the 2000 year remark. Now I'm forgetting where it occurred: was it when they carbon-dated the head or a reveal from David's findings?
I actually quite enjoyed the subtlety of that. Like maharg said it's a good way to beg the question without being as obvious as to stir some shit up.
Clayton Bigsby
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Or, a remnant of the script that did contain space jesus. With how shoddily they handled some things in the script, I can see that being an oversight, not a hint. Either way, I hope the sequel attempts to answer a few more questions.
Believe it was the head carbon dating, but it's also implicit in the dates of the cave paintings. None of them were less than 2000 years old. I think the newest was 2500 maybe? I don't recall.
no chance in hell this was an oversight
it might have been a remnant of a past script wich would have included a more on the nose version of the story, but the decision of leaving it there was unquestionably intended as a nod to beg that question
Clayton Bigsby
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I dont know if unquestionably is the right word. But I would like to believe you. It is funny, this film could of been a classic with the right script adjustments...so close...
batmandarkknight
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i dont really know much about the aliens franchise, nor do i care about it. and oh, i found prometheus 'meh'. but i do have one question, if the first 'xeno' was from the one in that big dude (space jockey are what you guys call it right?), then how can there be aliens during that flashback scene in AVP:R like some aztec times?
Believe™ mang
Prometheus is a huge budget FOX film with a ton of years into production. There's been plentiful versions of the script re-written and read by all the production team involved, test-screening, film tests, huge etc. There is 0 chance that something as significant as that would have "slipped" through as an oversight. Specially if it was a crucial part of a version of the plot. Things like that dont happen with films like these.
cause AVP is a hot steamy pile of non-canon shit
AVP is definitely not in the same continuity as Prometheus. At all.
Black Mamba
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Nope, some were 680 AD.
Which is kind of why the 2000 years thing is a bit weird. Something happened 2000 years ago and we're told this in interviews too (obviously Jesus). But the Engineers came back 600 year after that according to the beginning of the movie. Something happened on that planet to mess things up, but it's confusing to theorize what.
What if he was Space Jesus and after he "died" he was resurrected like in the Bible, which meant he wasn't really dead and he returned home. But something about him changed and he screwed everything up out of revenge (maybe he was the one they find in the movie?) and he wants to destroy Earth, alone. And no Engineer on the other planets know about this?
Ever since I saw this with 680CE and 620 CE today, everything I thought last night seems wrong on some level.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Pedantic quibble - the movie raises the question. Begging the question is a formal logical fallacy related to circular reasoning.
I like to believe that too, but I don't know why everybody was assuming that was the "first" xeno considering there's a god-damn Xeno carved into one of the walls.
I don't think the movies are a linear timeline. Prometheus has nothing to do with the rest of the lore... or logic....
batmandarkknight
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oh. i seee. thanks for the answer. haha. back to reading this thread. 
pretty fun rreading everyones theories.
pretty fun rreading everyones theories.theory time: Xeno shit happened before. Our exposure to that xeno-looking-thing being born is only OUR first glance, not the first situation in wich that happened.
edit: oh yeah, re-read your post and figured you seem to think this too
still it has been said that AVP isn't considered canon at all, those crap movies never happened
there's no telling on how long the xenomorphs fucked shit up there. They could have killed everyone (not just the white snakey things), reproducing while doing so, and stormed the fuck outta there when they got bored.
I'm aware of the fallacy and I stand by my use. The movie doesn't just raise the question, the movie has the question at its core. If I said it raised it, I'd be understating it. I do see how it's confusing, though.
Well you don't have to just like to, they're directly contradictory in their presentation of the origin of the Weyland corporation.
Huh. I'll keep my eye out for that if/when I ever watch it again.
Black Mamba
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plus Ridley has admitted he never saw those movies.
The main question is:
1.) Why did what happened 2k years ago (aka Jesus time) fuck shit up on their ships docked on the planet located on the star map (and to an extend what did it, though some of us assume Xenos)
2.) What did that event do for them in relation to humans on Earth.
they came back after the event. But that event did something. We just have no idea what or why.
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ThoseDeafMutes
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FWIW I love Predator, and the idea of an Aliens vs Predator movie is actually very appealing to me. The execution is obviously all wrong, but the Predators existing in the same universe as the Engineers is something I wouldn't mind seeing get a more serious (less shit) treatment.
Still, there was one good thing to come out of the series:
Still, there was one good thing to come out of the series:
Still, there was one good thing to come out of the series:
man now I notice that the shot was really lame. They fall down like 1 second after the blow and they throw their hands up in the air? lol
SilentProtagonist
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I'm confused, this isn't the scene where a child gets facehugged then chestburst.Still, there was one good thing to come out of the series:
And this certainly isn't the scene where a woman gets cut in half(?) by a Predators disc in a hospital.
I agree. The mythology they created with AvP is amazing, and it definitely gave more life to the universe of each brand. However, I don't think we'll ever see these two together in the same movie again. Scott and Cameron agreed that the AvP cheapened the brands, or rather the Alien series in particular, and with the last AvP movies not being great and Prometheus doing pretty well for the most part, I doubt Fox will go for it. Plus, the mythology of Prometheus directly contradicts the one set by AvP, which to me shows that Fox wants to keep em separate.
We'll always everything else outside of the movies, though.
ThoseDeafMutes
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IMO the whole idea of setting them on contemporary Earth was a bad movie to begin with. Alien isn't just the creature, it's the universe. Seeing Predators face Colonial Marines is the stuff dreams are made of, but the movies weren't having any of it. I'll just have to hope the next AvP game isn't such a PoS
oh. i seee. thanks for the answer. haha. back to reading this thread.
Dude, this is the best fucking thread on GAF right now. The movie blew dog ass. 100% complete dog asshole. People try to come in here and say (in a nasally dickhead voice) "I dont understand why people are complaining about the movie." and the following sentence always happens; "Sure, it had some problems, like story, characters, and whatever else. But it was still enjoyable!" and then the final nail in the coffin; "Just unplug your brain and enjoy it! Stop taking it so seriously! (expletive deleted)'s"
Ok. I think everyone here knows how to disengage their minds when watching a film. Being a bunch of anal nerds, I know we all have this power. You don't approach Transformers with the mindset of dissecting the films intentions, and motives. There are no subtle clues, or writing to figure out. Its an action movie, it is what it is. Prometheus, is a ridley scott film. Yes, perhaps it is my fault for expecting much more from the film. In fact, it is my fault. I saw the name, I saw the previews, I heard the interviews, or at least heard of, i went into a blackout due to anticipation.
The film was so severely shallow. The questions raised, the discussions of the film, aren't due to the film doing a good job offering the audience their chance to interpret the film, as you would a David Lynch film, or dare I even say an M. Night Shyamalan film. The questions are raised due to the lack of coherent writing, and bare basic story writing. Everyone loves to mention Alien, or plot holes in other films. They then say this to make the argument that those films had a single plot hole, or problem, so why are people so hard on Prometheus? They accepted it for those films, but not this one? The problem with that logic, is that you take a single Ash misstep, or a investigate something in the dark, which is all written to have the characters confront an issue, or continue the story. Prometheus has nothing but plotholes. The numbers really do matter here folks. Its the sheer number of fumbles that the script makes. Its not just Samuel L. Jackson going to reboot the computers with the electric fences off, across the raptor pen, while the only thing he had for defense was his glasses. Its every character doing moronic things back to back. This makes each and every single character severely flat, you can not relate to any of them, as they are doing things that are unrealistic in the grand scheme of the script.
Movies have plot holes. Movies have moments where the character trips in front of the axe murderer behind them. Yes, I'm aware of that. But Prometheus had these things, and only these things. It had imagery that was great, it was beautiful. Honest to god one of the best looking sights that I've seen in my life. But, none of the questions that you had from the trailer. The questions that the trailer, virals, and imagery elicited were answered in the film. And no, its not that I want to be spoon fed the answers. Its not that at all. And again, perhaps its my fault for expecting, having an expectation, looking forward to, those questions being answered, or at least addressed. This is the Prequel/NonPrequel/Weird definition. There was so much depth advertised, So I did have my thinking cap on whilst watching the film. But to have that expectation, then be met by a 1 foot shallow wading pond, just led to utter disappointment. For a silly action sci-fi film, Yes. 10/10. But I'm not comparing that to Alien or Aliens, as it misses that bar by a mile. Those films had characters that I cared about, that I knew their motivations. Burke was a scumbag, you knew he was, as he developed into highlighting that. There was something weird about Ash, and he developed into highlighting that. No character was defined in the movie. Everyone was expendable, and the other crew didn't even seem to care. We just went from cut to cut to credits.
FWIW I love Predator, and the idea of an Aliens vs Predator movie is actually very appealing to me. The execution is obviously all wrong, but the Predators existing in the same universe as the Engineers is something I wouldn't mind seeing get a more serious (less shit) treatment.
Still, there was one good thing to come out of the series:
I'm totally with you. Its a perfect combination. And it would work as a vehicle to try to temper/fight the Predators.
Black Mamba
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I actually wish this movie had nothing to do with Alien. The Alien stuff seemed to be in there just to connect it to the original universe. But this movie didn't need that. And if it would have not been one, I think people would have simply been excited for Ridley sci-fi return rather than ALIEN PREQUEL HOLY SHIT.
I was more excited for the former. I wouldn't get too deep into the connections since there's some contradiction here and there and this seems to be more of the sequel/reboot kinda thing. Really doubt they'll make something in the future that "bridges the gap".
If you go at it in the way that making these creatures the Space Jockeys from Alien just because it fits with what Scott wanted to do, then it makes more sense. I mean at that point why not? certainly draws a bigger audience and it doesnt really do any harm (other than some fanboys being pissed).
As "bad" as this movie might do it would probably do a lot less if it wasnt an """""""Alien""""""""" film
Has this interview been posted in here?
http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232
Guessing it has been since its from 6/5. This the big "Jesus" article?
http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232
Guessing it has been since its from 6/5. This the big "Jesus" article?
the alien burst out of the big guys chest at the end. wasn't the space jockey meant to be in the seat with his chest bursted?
it aint the same jockey
Black Mamba
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the alien burst out of the big guys chest at the end. wasn't the space jockey meant to be in the seat with his chest bursted?
Not the same jockey, not the same planet as the movie in Alien. Prometheus is not a direct sequel.
i thought it was a prequel
I thought this movie was ok, but i don't consider it canon. Only Alien and Aliens matter to me as far as the story goes and i can fill in the blanks on the rest.
I like to the think of the alien as an organism that evolved way to perfectly to the point where it monopolized the entire ecosystem of the planet it started it on. After all of the prey was killed it had to go into hibernation until the space jockeys came along while exploring the universe.
I like to the think of the alien as an organism that evolved way to perfectly to the point where it monopolized the entire ecosystem of the planet it started it on. After all of the prey was killed it had to go into hibernation until the space jockeys came along while exploring the universe.
Black Mamba
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not really. It's a movie that happens before Alien in the same universe, but it does not directly lead into Alien.
Different planet. Different Xenomorphs (black alien) and space jockeys (big dudes).
my theory on the origins of the xenomorphs is that they had worked to 'perfect' the lifeform found in the original alien. maybe certain conditions had to be met before they could get the facehugger -> chestburster guy, and it's possible that the one in prometheus was a corrupted, incomplete, or different version because it was done with black goo and derivative (human) dna.
maybe the xenomorphs were an advanced form of warfare, since the black goo was unstable and could do all sorts of stuff depending on what it interacted with and how.
i think it's weird that so many engineers would have been wiped out by their own creations. it looked like there were three completely unused ships in prometheus, and that's nothing to say of alien's space jockey.
maybe the xenomorphs were an advanced form of warfare, since the black goo was unstable and could do all sorts of stuff depending on what it interacted with and how.
i think it's weird that so many engineers would have been wiped out by their own creations. it looked like there were three completely unused ships in prometheus, and that's nothing to say of alien's space jockey.
gotta say I really like the original concept art for the deacon also..
Though I guess it was a bit harder to relate to the known xenomorph..
also too many white aliens. It fits in the concept art since the engineers werent really white there
but not as much in the final film, so:
Though I guess it was a bit harder to relate to the known xenomorph..
also too many white aliens. It fits in the concept art since the engineers werent really white there
but not as much in the final film, so:
Do you think you can't be proven wrong about the qualities or flaws of a movie you've seen? That you couldn't possibly miss some of those?
He or she has opinions on the film and uhh interpretations, and no you cannot prove them wrong.
Why not? New rule?
It's fairly odd to me how some think their opinions couldn't possibly evolve, or at the very least not because of (*gasp*) someone else's arguments.
Messypandas
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A sequel possibility to me (although playing around with the chronological events of the ending shot) is that the Deacon is on the engineer craft with Shaw heading to the homeworld. Be awesome to see them fucked up by their own mistake. Either that or have the back-up craft on remote pilot to the engineer pilot.
JoshuaJSlone
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So many people thought Tom Hardy was in the movie--but as a Star Trek guy I tend to only think of Tom Hardy as a baldie thanks to Nemesis.
Ahh. So they'd be like the anti-pygmies.genjiZERO said:
It's like a cousin movie that takes place earlier.Scrow said:
Pretty much. Except, in keeping with criticizing the science in the film, it wouldn't make sense for a space travelling species to select for albinos. There's a lot of radiation in space.... Melanin absorbs radiation (specifically, UV light). Consequently, it would be more realistic if they were pitch black.
Have they really confirmed that they won't make Prometheus series intersect with Alien eventually? Because that'd just confuse things further, at least for most audiences who are not heavily invested in the mythology. I expect at the very least that we'd get to see chestbuster bursting out of a Space Jockey which then crash landed on that planet. Basically similar how to The Thing 2011 works for the original The Thing.
ThoseDeafMutes
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If you're in a position where the melanin in your skin is the difference between living and dying, you have designed your space-craft incorrectly. It should make no difference because spacecraft have radiation shielding, even in real-life.
I just saw it last night and I enjoyed it somewhat, but it had a lot of lost potential. I apologize if any of this is redundant.
1) How could the biologist and geologist get lost? Wasn't their signal being transmitted back to the ship? The storm wasn't causing any interference with the map, in fact we see that during the storm the map is perfectly transmitting their signals and the captain tells them to hold on for the night..
2) With that said, I liked those 2 guys, they set it up as if their was going to be some tension between the two but it turns out they got along. What I liked was that they acted exactly how anybody would act in that situation, they were scared and wanted to get the hell out of there. THEN they see an alien tentacle pop out of the goop and decide to examine it? Why? why would you even bother? You just ran away in the opposite direction when the captain told you they were reading a life signal....
3) What was David's motivation for spiking the drink with the alien dna? I assumed he was programed to do so but why? Essentially he is the reason Aliens exist.
4) Why did the engineer go berserk on them. That was sad, I too would have liked answers....
5) The big monsters at the end trapped in the room was very cheesy. I thought it was waaay over the top and unnecessary. I would have liked if it was a face hugger instead
IT was obvious with the religious undertones the movie was trying to convey along with themes of immortality and how man should not possess the answers to such questions.
1) How could the biologist and geologist get lost? Wasn't their signal being transmitted back to the ship? The storm wasn't causing any interference with the map, in fact we see that during the storm the map is perfectly transmitting their signals and the captain tells them to hold on for the night..
2) With that said, I liked those 2 guys, they set it up as if their was going to be some tension between the two but it turns out they got along. What I liked was that they acted exactly how anybody would act in that situation, they were scared and wanted to get the hell out of there. THEN they see an alien tentacle pop out of the goop and decide to examine it? Why? why would you even bother? You just ran away in the opposite direction when the captain told you they were reading a life signal....
3) What was David's motivation for spiking the drink with the alien dna? I assumed he was programed to do so but why? Essentially he is the reason Aliens exist.
4) Why did the engineer go berserk on them. That was sad, I too would have liked answers....
5) The big monsters at the end trapped in the room was very cheesy. I thought it was waaay over the top and unnecessary. I would have liked if it was a face hugger instead
IT was obvious with the religious undertones the movie was trying to convey along with themes of immortality and how man should not possess the answers to such questions.
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