ZombiePlatypus
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I wonder how SE must feel knowing that they are too incompetent to deliver the ONE product that a plethora of fans ask for year after year. 
Wada: No Final Fantasy VII Remake Until Original Has Been Topped
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FFVII was the last Final Fantasy I played during that era. Before then, I had played all of them that were available around 2002/2003. I began with FFIV on the SNES.
I never became a big fan of FFVII, probably because I had played much better games, in my opinion, before I played FFVII. I finally beat it a couple of years ago, but I just wasn't able to get into the hype of it all. *shrug*
I never became a big fan of FFVII, probably because I had played much better games, in my opinion, before I played FFVII. I finally beat it a couple of years ago, but I just wasn't able to get into the hype of it all. *shrug*
BobTheFork
Member
Totally agree. The beginning was so strong and it had thinned out a bit by the time you go to Cid, but damned if it didn't just fall apart in seconds after that. I always think the stories of the FF games get too grand, which the characters being in such control and the central pivet of the world they live in. I really like the idea of this tiny nation just trying to not get erased with them being able to do much about the grand war. Less is More
darkhunger
Member
What Nintendo did with OoT 3D is basically the same as what Eidos did with FF7 PC almost 15 years ago.
Same game, better looking polygons.
Byakuya769
Member
He's right. FF7 is the only game with a villain that could elicit an emotion besides laughter.
I would just be happy with a higher res version of the original with better textures. Doesn't need to be voiced, or redone with the TERRIBLE advent children designs, just a version of the original that doesn't make the eyes bleed. You can play a high res version with an emulator, but the textures are still garbage.
revolverjgw
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I laughed so hard when Kefka poisoned the water at Cyan's castle. That Kefka!
jimmypython
Member
FF9 and FF12 are as good as FF7.
And, please release Versus first.
And, please release Versus first.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Yeah, boredom.
PrinceOfApathy
Banned
I think you're getting Sephiroth and Vayne confused son. Try again.
Byakuya769
Member
Gotdayum. You would think with the subject of the thread that I'm discussing subsequent FFs.
Wow, even further off.
Anyone want to rattle off some board game villains too?
disappeared
Banned
Square continues to utterly baffle me this generation.
"Until we can find a way to make a better game than one we made 15 years ago we will not remake that game!"
ZombiePlatypus
Member
If they had any shame, XII, XIII and XIV wouldn't have been released in their current states and MMOs wouldn't have been shoved down fans' throats as mainline entries.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Yes, that's probably just a poetic way for Wada to say that a project like that, I mean with the costs of development that will require to them, it's not the priority for Square Enix at the moment. They'll do it when they'll be sure to do it the right way at the right moment.
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
I'll go ahead and say it, but I hate VA in the FF games. I prefer the muted characters. Reading the text makes you feel more engrossed in the game's plot.
Honestly, I'm surprised that they're not opting for a portable remake. The way they make it sound, it seems like it's going to be a console remake.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
They are both just as uninteresting. Well, not really, at least Vayne isn't dragged down by alien mommy histrionics.
Projectjustice
Banned
They did, it was called was FFVI.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
It's definitely a possibility, afterall the IP is stronger on home consoles for now in the west, and FFVII needs the west.
/thread.
and rotfl, X and XII are not nearly good as VII, not even close. did you even play those games? Like, really.
also, Sephiroth is a "crappy" (if you compare him to X and XII villains then he's god tier as well) villain, the god tier villain is Kefka.
BJK
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IcyRhythms
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I would pay $75 for a remake of 8. I think it always and forever will get the short end of the stick because 7 came before it. IMO the much better game is 8. So much so that it's not even close.
haha. FFXII was infinitely better than FFVII. So was FFIX. So was... well, ok, that's it in the post-FFVII era. FFX-2 definitely has a much superior battle system, but I can't quite give it a nod because it's wrapped up in such unbearable packaging. At least I can sort of ignore the horrible writing of FFVII and squint my eyes and get an appropriately atmosphered FF game; not that saccharine disaster.
In the pre-FFVII era, FFVI and FFV are both way better.
But really, he's just making excuses. They can hardly finish the titles that are working on now in the Final Fantasy series, pretty much stuck on recycling FFXIII's awful world over and over. That's pretty much what I imagine hell must be like, so no way they'd do that shit on purpose
Edit: Actually, they made FFVIII and FFXIII and these awful games didn't end the FF series, so I'm not sure why FFVIIre would magically have to be.
In the pre-FFVII era, FFVI and FFV are both way better.
But really, he's just making excuses. They can hardly finish the titles that are working on now in the Final Fantasy series, pretty much stuck on recycling FFXIII's awful world over and over. That's pretty much what I imagine hell must be like, so no way they'd do that shit on purpose
Edit: Actually, they made FFVIII and FFXIII and these awful games didn't end the FF series, so I'm not sure why FFVIIre would magically have to be.
FFIX has a story just as ridiculous and puerile as FF7's (even more so arguably) - if you prefer the setting then that's down to personal taste. FFXII was the most complete final fantasy game to date content-wise but the narrative, characters and scenario were all so po-faced and uninspired that it falls short of FF7 as a package imo.
FF7=FF10> FF12 > FF9 >>>>>>>FF8>FF13
But to address the OP.... it's good that Square-Enix are admitting that they've damaged the final fantasy brand. Hopefully they know how on earth to go about fixing it.
GillianSeed79
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Eh, I was actually disappointed with FFVII. My first RPG experience was FF1 on the NES. I didn't have a SNES growing up so I missed out on the classic FFII and FFIII (VI), so I was hoping FVII would be more in line with the older entries that had the swords and sorcery kind of setting. It ended up being the first of the "futuristic" Final Fantasies.
That said I enjoyed FFIX, FFX and FFT much more than FFVII. FFT is one of my all time favorite games. I loved FFXII's setting, but I loathed the actual story.
That said I enjoyed FFIX, FFX and FFT much more than FFVII. FFT is one of my all time favorite games. I loved FFXII's setting, but I loathed the actual story.
No, I'm sorry, we still refuse to give our customers what they've been asking for all these years because we don't want to be successful, and admittedly, we suck.
We will continue sinking money in absurd projects not even our own country likes.
We insist on going down with the ship.
We will continue sinking money in absurd projects not even our own country likes.
We insist on going down with the ship.
BlazingDarkness
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Random question, but does anyone know what inspired the Trance system in Final Fantasy IX?
In theory, it's a burst of energy as a result of heightened emotion, but in terms of gameplay it was essentially released when your ATB gauge fills, you have absolutely no control of it as it activates automatically, so you could be hit by a random enemy and your Trance would activate, thus being practically useless for the majority of the game. It's not like FFVII where your gauge would fill and then you could save the Limit for when it was needed (against a boss for instance) As I remember it fills up a lot slower as well.
Was I just using it wrong? It just seems like a really lame system from what I remember
In theory, it's a burst of energy as a result of heightened emotion, but in terms of gameplay it was essentially released when your ATB gauge fills, you have absolutely no control of it as it activates automatically, so you could be hit by a random enemy and your Trance would activate, thus being practically useless for the majority of the game. It's not like FFVII where your gauge would fill and then you could save the Limit for when it was needed (against a boss for instance) As I remember it fills up a lot slower as well.
Was I just using it wrong? It just seems like a really lame system from what I remember
You're talking as if the story in ANY Final Fantasy game isn't written by fucking escaped cocaine-addled bonobos. In order to truthfully evaluate the relative quality of the stories in this franchise, we're really only talking about awful vs. god fucking awful vs. holy fucking shit someone stab my eyes out awful, and even that's probably being generous.
In the old days, at least, this was mitigated a bit by the relative simplicity of the FF storylines. But as they've attempted to increase complexity, they've shown no deference to any thing that resembles quality storytelling.
FFVI's atmosphere is the best, and remains wholly unique in RPGs to this day. That's probably the closest I'd get to praising anything related to the way these games present their stories.
When I talk about superiority, I'm really only dissecting the way I feel about their combat systems and sub-systems, soundtracks, encounter rates and visual style/atmosphere.
I do think there are stories that are fucking the worst in the series, the absolute worst being FFVIII, the second worst being FFXIII, the least worst being a combination of FFXII and FFVI. But let's face it, they're all bad in this regard. To love these stories is, to me, an immediate indication that I'd never be able to see eye to eye with the viewpoint of that person when it comes to game stories.
FF7 is still the best one. FF12 behind it. All in my opinion of course, but FF9 to me played really slow. Gameplay and pacing. Unbelievably sluggish, dear god. FF12 was new and I liked what it did, but FF7 left me quenched. Such a good game, but undersold like a bitch in this thread.
33 here and i still havent played an rpg i cared about more than ff7. Ive played every stateside ff sans 11 and tons of others. Nothing had a villain as good a sephiroth or a world like 7 had. The art was amazing, the cast was solid, and everything seemed to flow so well.
12 uneniably had better gameplay but the characters were SHIT. By the time it was over i didnt care about the game at all. X was good X-2 was possibly the worst FF ive ever played besides 13.
12 uneniably had better gameplay but the characters were SHIT. By the time it was over i didnt care about the game at all. X was good X-2 was possibly the worst FF ive ever played besides 13.
kunonabi
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my guess is that the system was inspired by how overpowered limit breaks were because you could store them. I would just fill up all my gauges then walk into a boss fight and just go to town. Most bosses just down immediately, died soon after, or just ran out of magic and just sat there until I killed them.
BlazingDarkness
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I think that's just strategy though, and I don't think they ever created limit breaks that were so very overpowered (until endgame content) that you could break the game in such a way
I think FFVIII let you exploit it the most, but either way it's way better than IX where you have no control at all - I just think it's such a useless system
7 changed mah life MAN.
But its timing and technology had just as much to do with its success as its quality. If FF 8 was released first that could have very well had the same impact.
But i dont know, Midgar man, and Gold Saucer, and Cosmo Canyon. Man you cant nostalgia that hard anymore
RIP Squaresoft
not sure if serious. I mean, this bullshit is really impressive. you sound pretty convinced.
and more! Maybe you didn't notice that we're talking about videogames. not a single story is perfect but there is a difference from good ones (let's see, FFVI-VII-IX, FFIV one is nice as well) and ones made by cocaine-addled bonobos like FFVIII-X-XII. If you can't see that difference just change hobby or go play some call of duty online, they say it's addictive.
not sure why people keep thinking that FFXII is a great FF, but well, guess I can't help it.
I'm sorry I'm not nostalgia-whored on the FFVII universe, and that this is so inexplicable to you; it has a garbage story, a mediocre battle system and an only halfway decent atmosphere. Its soundtrack is nice though.
FFXII, on the other hand, introduced an astonishingly forward-thinking mechanic with the gambit system, which finally relegates strategy-less garbage random battles to the background of ignores-ville and allows me to focus my tinkering on the micro level, so that I can focus only on battles that actually matter half a shit. To say nothing of enemies always being on screen and thus being able to select my targets, of the world and atmosphere being one of the most fully realized of any FF game, of the exploration being the best of the single player titles, of the monster hunts being the single greatest FF sidequest.
But, sorry, I meant... OMG SEPHYROSS CAN U BELIEVE HIM!? ESTUANS INTERIUS IRA VEHEMENTI ESTUANS INTERIUS IRA VEHEMENTI SEPHYROSS! SEPHYROSS!
"We're talking about videogames." What does that mean? As opposed to, what, movies, tv, books? I'm talking about videogames, finalozzo, and videogame stories are fucking terrible 99.999999% of the time. And Final Fantasy stories are worse than most. I feel like this is a pointless conversation, though. As I said in my previous post, there's no way I can ever even begin to understand the machinations of someone who would defend the miserable storylines in the FF universe. I like Final Fantasy games, I've played every one of them even if a few of them are just straight up terrible, but I'm not going to try to pretend the stories haven't been on the whole anything except erratically written and translated, plot-hole ridden disasters of the most epic magnitude.
There is a difference between awful ones (FFVI-FFXII) and god awful ones (FFVII, FFIX, FFIV) and holy fuck stab my eyes out awful ones (FFXIII, FFVIII, FFX) but they are, all of them, awful in their own very special way.
Again, sorry my opinion does not jive with your clearly carefully considered position on the important matter of Final Fantasy stories, but if you want to do this, you can pick any Final Fantasy game (well, except FFI, II and III... those stories are too simple to bother with in this sense), and I will list for you a text book worth of fucking plot holes, and horrible writing, and cringe-worthy everything. If you really need so badly to find a way to justify your point of view, anyway
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
I was already laughing when I read this...
But at THIS point, I almost shit my pants laughing so hard XD amir0x ♥
H_Prestige
Banned
Wow, Wada saying not one, but two intelligent things? Is this opposite day?
I agree with him on both points. The company has yet to equal or exceed FFVII. And the company as it is now is grossly incapable of producing another game of such magnitude. I would not want them to taint FFVII with some stupid flashy remake. They can do that to lesser FF games like III, but VII is legend status. You can't mess with that shit.
I agree with him on both points. The company has yet to equal or exceed FFVII. And the company as it is now is grossly incapable of producing another game of such magnitude. I would not want them to taint FFVII with some stupid flashy remake. They can do that to lesser FF games like III, but VII is legend status. You can't mess with that shit.
panama chief
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and that sirs is how you write an opinion.
