I forget what he does with the lizard serum instead...
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I felt like something was missing from the film while I was watching it and I realised what it was when it ended. Going to spoiler just in case.
It was missing that whole 'super hero in training' bit where most of the characterisation I like comes in. There was, at most, a 5 minute period where it showed Parker climbing some poles and a 10second clip of him making his web shooters. I needed more of that. That is what I crave when I pay to watch superhero movies. I want to see the development and how they transition themselves from a normal guy to a superhero.
Avengers was in 2d and on smaller screen and TASM was in 3d with bigger screen so that helped me make my decision.Want to see Avengers too.now hoping for re-release
well it's not like spider-man was an expert in this film, I saw a lot of improvisation to see how it went. He didn't have time to train so he had to improvise in all situations. Even at the end of the film, he didn't know the distance of his web shooting and he couldn't hold on when he fell off the building. He was really amateur at best, the only thing helping him was his spider sense. That's how I saw it anyways.
It's very uneven. There's some good, but there's also some strange directing, editing, writing, and acting choices here.
Movie was good. Fans I could see getting tired of origin story again, but hands down this is the best representation of spiderman on film. From his movements, wisecracks, and use of web... This is the spiderman I expect to see from reading comics back in the day. Parker's personality seemed a bit more natural even without the mask, still having a bit of humor in his awkwardness. Maguires Parker in the first trilogy was just a pure goofball from what I remember.
There were some corny bits. Almost all comic book movies have a few scenes that seem almost camp and would never appear in more serious movies. But they weren't bad or long enough to detract too much. Movie only dragged a bit in the beginning
Gwen Stacy wasnt sold to me though. She looked and acted almost like a teacher in this film. Just too mature in attitude and appearance. If this was a college gwen Stacy maybe I could buy it
There were some corny bits. Almost all comic book movies have a few scenes that seem almost camp and would never appear in more serious movies. But they weren't bad or long enough to detract too much. Movie only dragged a bit in the beginning
Gwen Stacy wasnt sold to me though. She looked and acted almost like a teacher in this film. Just too mature in attitude and appearance. If this was a college gwen Stacy maybe I could buy it
CarbonatedFalcon
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Yeah, she does seem to act too mature for 17. Head intern? Really more of a college-age job than any high-schooler's. They way she acted at that point made her seem a lot older than she was as well.
I loved this movie!
Probably in the minority on this one, but I liked it more than The Avengers.
Things that I loved:
-Animations were great for Spidey.
-The way he reacted and fought like Spiderman should.. very agile, and on his feet.
-The little chime to signify that his Spider sense was tingling.
-Soundtrack was pretty good.
Would/probably will see this again.
Probably in the minority on this one, but I liked it more than The Avengers.
Things that I loved:
-Animations were great for Spidey.
-The way he reacted and fought like Spiderman should.. very agile, and on his feet.
-The little chime to signify that his Spider sense was tingling.
-Soundtrack was pretty good.
Would/probably will see this again.
I was totally thinking that. It's not a huge problem, but he is way too handsome to pull off Peter Parker. Tobey pulled off the dweeb look pretty well at the beginning of Spidey 1, Garfield not so much.
I feel like Emma Stone is too huge a draw to just go the comic book route with the Gwen Stacy character, although it could make an awesome film. I think she'll stick around to help differentiate the Amazing films from the Raimi films, instead of bringing a MJ in.
EliteArtist
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See I brought this up a bit ago. My friend pointed it out and even if this played out in some fashion on screen I would've loved it. I think it would be great if ultimately it DIDNT work.
Like the cure immunized anybody who had come in contact with it or Stacy was too far gone to save. Would've been good, but yeah it is a plot hole.
Also spoilered your post in case anyone was wondering into this thread without seeing the movie.
I dunno why people are saying Garfield is too attractive to be Peter; Peter's not supposed to be ugly or anything. He is supposed to be a pretty handsome dude.
I think it's pretty much set they're going to kill her. There was some pretty obvious foreshadowing regarding 'secrets' and 'hurting those close to you' combined with them wanting this reboot to be closer to the comics. Gwen's death is a pretty integral part of Spider-Man.
I think it's pretty much set they're going to kill her. There was some pretty obvious foreshadowing regarding 'secrets' and 'hurting those close to you' combined with them wanting this reboot to be closer to the comics. Gwen's death is a pretty integral part of Spider-Man.
EliteArtist
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Yeah he didn't exactly look to bad back in the 60s in comics.
megarockexe
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Well I was impressed. Having not seen the original movie form 10 years ago, I like how the story was presented. It truly felt like something I could relate to and I was attentive throughout the entire film.
BocoDragon
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No doubt they're gonna kill her. That was the whole point of the broken promise.
I think Garfield played him perfectly. Tobey's Peter Parker was way too nerdy/awkward, Garfield was just the right amount combined with a hint of arrogance you'd expect from a teenager who just got super powers.
The Peter Parker from Spider-man: The Animated Series (90s) was handsome and smooth (he actively competed with Flash and won Gwen's affection) and that's the definitive Spider-man tv series
The Peter Parker from Spider-man: The Animated Series (90s) was handsome and smooth (he actively competed with Flash and won Gwen's affection) and that's the definitive Spider-man tv series
If someone doesn't find a story has earned its gravitas, why should they respect what the story wants them to feel? That's like saying that people should have acted like The Happening was actually scary because the filmmakers intended it to be so.
Laughter, if honest, is an involuntary reaction, so your attitude makes no sense here. I certainly don't get the impression that Amir0x or anyone in the showing I was in laughed because they wanted to annoy anyone or put down the people who weren't laughing. I myself actually did not laugh at that scene (because, again, laughter is involuntary...you either do or you don't), but I can certainly see why someone would think Garfield's performance in that scene is over the top and amusing, particularly in contrast to the fairly realistic and stark way the actual shooting is portrayed.
And I don't like that you repeatedly claim that you would enact physical harm upon someone who didn't act like they thought a comic book movie was sad every time it wanted you to feel sad. Also, I really don't know what "allow the writing to override the acting" means. What writing, specifically? The fairly sparse writing of the most predictable scene in all of Spider-Man lore? The
voicemail message Ben leaves Peter that he listens to near the end
Typical superhero flick, terrible movie.
My gripes, anyway. The original movie did everything this one couldn't.
- Property of Peter Parker
- Didn't really see how Peter's character developed- it just sort of did
- Basically spitting on Gwen's dad's grave at the end there
- Coincidences, such as the kid's dad
- Intentional awkward scenes were alright, but served no purpose
- Never resolved the issue with Ben's killer
- Peter's parents plot point going nowhere (this one's probably saved for the sequel but come on)
- Some corny dialogue
- Didn't really see how Peter's character developed- it just sort of did
- Basically spitting on Gwen's dad's grave at the end there
- Coincidences, such as the kid's dad
- Intentional awkward scenes were alright, but served no purpose
- Never resolved the issue with Ben's killer
- Peter's parents plot point going nowhere (this one's probably saved for the sequel but come on)
- Some corny dialogue
My gripes, anyway. The original movie did everything this one couldn't.
That's the point. Peter was pursuing him out of revenge and wasn't out for justice. When he let go of the vendetta of beating up random thugs and messing up police work, that's when he started to understand what a hero meant.
Being a hero means doing what's right, not pursing a personal vendetta.
triplestation
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So I saw it today and my one sentence review is:
What a load of corporate bullshit.
I understand why they would need to reboot the series. Raimi's movie's today all look pretty goddamned outdated so it's ideal that the media needs something more up to date. But with that the opportunity should have been seen as one hell of an chance to do the best they can with a superhero as iconic and Spider-Man. But they didn't. I had faith in Marc Webb, he said he was a fan of the comics and all. And I thought he'd create something exceptional.
The first act of the film (the origin story) was the only strong part of the entire movie imo. Seriously, after that everything was going downhill and I actually started losing care before hoping something cool happens.
The Lizard:
Supporting Characters (Gwen, Captain Stacey, Aunt May, Uncle Ben):
The Score:
Peter Parker/Spider-Man:
All in all I give this movie a 7/10
It's your standard Spidey flick
What a fucking disappointment.
What a load of corporate bullshit.
I understand why they would need to reboot the series. Raimi's movie's today all look pretty goddamned outdated so it's ideal that the media needs something more up to date. But with that the opportunity should have been seen as one hell of an chance to do the best they can with a superhero as iconic and Spider-Man. But they didn't. I had faith in Marc Webb, he said he was a fan of the comics and all. And I thought he'd create something exceptional.
The first act of the film (the origin story) was the only strong part of the entire movie imo. Seriously, after that everything was going downhill and I actually started losing care before hoping something cool happens.
The Lizard:
I think this shit was miscast as FUCK. I remember reading why Webb chose Rhys Ifans for the role. Something like 'he can be very gentle but also very aggressive'. You don't really get much of any of that. Sure he may look the part but really he was just an overqualified science teacher eager to fix his arm. I thought the Lizard itself would have a few phases of being the lizard before growing out the full-blown snout. BUT NO, HE DIDN'T. He looked like a goddamn oompa doofus with sharp teeth the entire time. And he never did anything memorable. What a.. This is probably the weakest sci-fi villain ever developed by a film director.
Supporting Characters (Gwen, Captain Stacey, Aunt May, Uncle Ben):
I don't really care about Gwen in this film, I couldn't. She was cute and attractive and that's it. You can readily expect that. That takes no effort when you're Emma Stone. Eye candy.
Captain Stacy, phone-in.
Aunt May and Uncle Ben were great. They felt genuine. But you're not watching a Spider-Man movie to see a whole lot of them.
Captain Stacy, phone-in.
Aunt May and Uncle Ben were great. They felt genuine. But you're not watching a Spider-Man movie to see a whole lot of them.
The Score:
I don't know what some of you are talking about with the score being great. It's not. Elfman's score shits on this film's score. There's no soul.
Peter Parker/Spider-Man:
He was FANTASTIC as Peter Parker/Spider-Man. He's not point-dexter looking like Tobey's Peter but you could see that he was the kid in high school who didn't talk much but you knew they had an interesting mind. Loved him in the suit, his awkwardness, loved his wit and wise-cracks. I just wish Webb would spend more time explaining the creation of the suit. It was really damn vague for a suit so questionable. I enjoy the fact that when he was woken by that drop of fluid while asleep in the train, he reacted very much like a frightened insect. I wish there were more demonstrations of that during the rest of the film because it was great. Such an enormous change in his normal way of being but he seemed to adjust way too comfortably and too quickly. My final thoughts on Garfield was all wondering how much better it would have been if he were directed by someone more suitable for an exceptional Spider-Man movie.
All in all I give this movie a 7/10
It's your standard Spidey flick
What a fucking disappointment.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Ben was killed in the worst way possible. His death no longer was unwittingly connected to Peter's growth as a hero.
No? Just don't laugh like it's a comedy. It's disruptive. Common sense. Keep your disruptive reactions to yourself, it's typical theater etiquette. And just have an ounce of respect for what's happening and the general impact of the events that are taking place.
The point at which events lead up to finding something humorous is involuntary, but it can be avoided by being considerate of your surroundings, or, as a last resort, by keeping one's mouth shut.
A person who can't restrain themselves at appropriate times lacks basic cinema etiquette, and is annoying, whether that was their intent or not.
Well it's a good thing I didn't say that then. Just be observant and tactful and respectful to the other moviegoers, is basic cinema etiquette.
I mean the script or screenplay. The basic description of the actions, themes, tone, dialog.
Stuff like property of Peter Parker was indeed pretty weak. It's like the script writers couldn't find clever ways to make certain plot points progress so they just forced it. Camera having peters name on it was a pretty weak way to have lizard learn the identity. Peter sneaks into the lab too freakin easily (grabs name badge, real rodrigo shows up has no ID and is escorted out), then later sneaks into super secret lab door even easier with worlds stupidest key card system with no security cam. Cranes suddenly available a great distance away from each other with everyone available to use them. Dude with rescued kid coincidentally in right place at right time to catch spiderman directly with a crane in worlds most improbable moment. Captain police offer stupid enough to fire shotguns at regenerating giant dinosaur guy at point blank range. Parker throws football so hard it bends the goal post and no one gives a shit (that wasn't advancing plot, was just stupid)
Probably more examples if you want to dig deep. These things will keep the movie from being standard setting good. But, the portrayal of spiderman himself I think makes the film enjoyable for fans. Movie fans will enjoy the action. People that disect movies to death may not have a good time
Wha, The Lizard is a pretty iconic Spidey villain. I agree he was executed poorly, but I still appreciate him being in the movie.
King of Custard
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Absolutely loved it Garfield was perfect for me. Regarding ending plot hole
I swear that Peter did not notice Gwen's dad was injured until after he had put the antidote in to the satellite, so even if he did inject him with the lizard toxin he would have been cured instantly by the cloud and still die.
Him in white labcoat that kept coming back somehow always brought a smile to my face even though he pretty much removed the coat almost immediately every time.
Dude that said he's forgettable is right. Besides
regenerating terminator style
captainnapalm
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I really get the feeling they somewhat underestimated how much of a connection the existing audience still felt to the original trilogy and actors, regardless of those movies' faults.
I think a lot of people who would have been happier if this was in effect Spider-Man 4. I'm not sure which camp I'm in yet, because I haven't seen it. I know I would have been perfectly happy to be preparing to watch Spider-Man 4, though maybe with a new director and a new vision. I'm willing to give the reboot a chance, though there is a nagging feeling about its need to exist right now.
I think a lot of people who would have been happier if this was in effect Spider-Man 4. I'm not sure which camp I'm in yet, because I haven't seen it. I know I would have been perfectly happy to be preparing to watch Spider-Man 4, though maybe with a new director and a new vision. I'm willing to give the reboot a chance, though there is a nagging feeling about its need to exist right now.
triplestation
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Flash can't pull basketball off from skinny Peter's hand because it's somehow adhered as fuck
Skinny Peter Parker makes a 30 foot slam dunk, broken glass and all
Skinny Peter lifts and pins guy to locker with ease
Skinny Peter Parker makes a 30 foot slam dunk, broken glass and all
Skinny Peter lifts and pins guy to locker with ease
Oh my god skinny guy swinging through the city and beating up criminals
Probably not skinny Peter
Probably not skinny Peter
Such a big pet peeve of mine. I would have preferred if Flash actually figured it out and kept the secret. :/
That's some of the borderline campy shit I was alluding to as well. I always wonder how shit likes that gets one script. Surely people see the potential plot holes and lack of believability. At one point they have to just say fuck it, think the audience won't care, and be cool with making a lower quality movie
blainethemono
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In the Ultimate comics, after a while people started to piece together that Peter was Spiderman. There's only so many times you can see a supervillain attack the school and Spiderman conveniently was there before they started to think he was a student. Then people started to work out who would fit the mold. Peter had a hard time keeping it a secret when people started accosting him--in fact, it slowly led up to the point where he didn't bother to hide it...and then he died in battle.
"As long as he's that cocky, badsass wisecrackin' Spidey, I'm satisfied!"
Yeah, that's great and all, but the stronger core to Spiderman's character is his humanity, the balancing of two worlds and his responsiblity to having this priviledge and curse.
This film completely failed in guiding that aspect, so I'm curious as to how exactly it's being more faithful?
Yeah, that's great and all, but the stronger core to Spiderman's character is his humanity, the balancing of two worlds and his responsiblity to having this priviledge and curse.
This film completely failed in guiding that aspect, so I'm curious as to how exactly it's being more faithful?
Salvor.Hardin
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Oh c'mon! Peter Maguire takes the cake for that.
Tobey is so amazing.
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Oh c'mon! Peter Maguire takes the cake for that.
"I'm not afraid, I'm angry."
Salvor.Hardin
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I hate that TAS was shot as badly as it was. It has zero visual style outside the cgi stuff. It's like they picked up the DP for One Tree Hill or The OC.
It's nothing particular to GAF. There's no absolute consensus on any movie ever. They don't inject you with contrary opinion serum when you sign up.
THE-Pink-Dagger
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Hum, lol?! The cinematography is gorgeous.
Maximus.
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What the hell are you talking about? It had good cinematography. It wasn't the Dark Knight, but it looked freaking good.
Well, good for you. I didn't hear anyone laugh out loud like I did, but I heard a few scattered snickers at the scene. I'm sure that wasn't the intent of the director; but it certainly was the result. The scene wasn't earned and Andrew Garfield's face was hilarious.
I would have loved for someone to try to kick me in my "vagina", though. One, because I bet that shit would feel good. Two, because it might knock some of that sand loose, and you know how much I loathe sandy vaginas! And three, because anyone who would get so angry someone laughs during a moment they don't find funny that they would inflict physical harm must surely be the type of shriveled nerd that only acts tough on the internet, so it'd probably be hilarious to watch.
Yeah. I'm not even sure what the problem is. Sometimes, things are unintentionally funny. The scene played very funny to me. Plenty of people can't control what they find funny, anyway. Different senses of humour.
I say people are manipulated emotionally in something like this because the writing wasn't anything to brag about either! So the moment wasn't earned, and Andrew Garfield's face was hilarious. I can respect you disagree with me that the moment wasn't earned, but nonetheless my opinion remains that someone who would appreciate such a thing is probably very very easy to tweak.
Uncle Ben's character in ASM is a walking cliche, the 'trying-so-hard-to-get-through-to-his-troubled-teenager' mentor who teaches Peter the HARD LESSON, but too late! I mean, he doesn't even have a personality except to act as a billboard for which Peter Parker can knock back his own character growth. Add to that... the writing itself (dialogue) was just poor all around (and, to extend that, frequently throughout the movie), so it just compounded the shallowness of the character and moment.
Yeah, it's not like I went into the movie theater going "oh man, I hope I can find an inappropriate moment to laugh at!" I go to maybe 30 or more movies a year in the theater, and own thousands of movies. My intent when I go to a theater is to enjoy myself. I found ASM to be an "ok" movie, but some scenes played really really false.
Although, man, the
"you're my hero" part at the end of that
Haha, cakefoo the movie nazi is going to tell you off for not reacting as he would emotionally! Dude, man, seriously I thank you so much for these posts, I'm going to work now with a huge smile on my face. Great entertainment for the morning.
Oh c'mon! Peter Maguire takes the cake for that.
Haha, that is pretty bad too. Maybe the director wanted to reference how bad Tobey's cry was in at least one scene, because Andrew's other crying moment(s) during the movie weren't nearly as bad.
I think, for scientific purposes, we need an animated gif of Andrew Garfield's hilarious blubbering, quivering lips to compare (although I don't know if it would be as effectively hilarious without the sound accompaniment).
Thought this was okay. As many have stated andrew garfield and emma stone were both well-cast and the chemistry between them was pretty awesome, but some of the execution was blah, and the script had a number of eye-rolling moments (property of peter parker? REALLY). Definitely enjoyed the action sequences at the very least, and I enjoyed the film well enough, but it's no-where near as good as the first two raimi films, they are much more visually interesting, and just far better scripted in general, I do prefer garfield over tobey though, but that's the only thing this has over raimi though.
Also that stan lee cameo was awful, tonally out-of-place with what was happening on the screen, some of the editing in general was really eh, could have been better imo.
At the very least I think they set a good foundation for future sequels, if they can get a better script and marc webb matures as a director in regards to editing and pacing, the sequels should be excellent if he gets them right. Especially with what they are setting up in regards to gwen.
Also that stan lee cameo was awful, tonally out-of-place with what was happening on the screen, some of the editing in general was really eh, could have been better imo.
At the very least I think they set a good foundation for future sequels, if they can get a better script and marc webb matures as a director in regards to editing and pacing, the sequels should be excellent if he gets them right. Especially with what they are setting up in regards to gwen.
THE-Pink-Dagger
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Amirox couldnt be More wrong, he could try though. Ridiculous explanation, fact is the scene is very well acted, I'd like to see your stupid face if something like this happened to you, it IS totally authentic.
Everything you say makes you sound like a huge douche bag.
Everything you say makes you sound like a huge douche bag.
While true, I wouldn't consider that a plot hole. Like you said, it would be crazy, and there's no reason why Parker even necessarily had to have the idea.
Spider-Man 1 literally had none of that and it was fine. They literally show us him become Spidey over night.
Seriously? Chemistry is not a brain surgery. You just see it or you don't. It's easy to pair two attractive actors together but they don't necessarily generate chemistry. Tobey and Dunst were actually an example of this. But Garfield and Stone, it's easy to see the sparks in the trailer and even in the photo you can see the attraction the two have for each other. Body language speaks a lot that even when you're posing, you can see what is real and what is not. This goes for lovers and friends. You can easily tell when two people enjoy each other's company or not.
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