Stuff like this is turning mmagaf into sherdog 2.0
UFC 148 |OT| Shattering the myth that is Anderson Silva - 7.7.2012
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Stuff like this is turning mmagaf into sherdog 2.0
Roland Deschain
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Just read it. He tried to grease, the shoulder bump, blatant holding of the shorts. I'm guessing Dana didn't mention any of this and kept saying 'greatest fighter of all time' every two minutes?
TheKaeptain
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He "greased" in the first fight too. A lot of fighters do that shit with the Vaseline that is put of their face.
parrotbeak
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Anderson Silva is so good that only he could shatter the myth of Anderson Silva. He wants to fight his clone, but his image as the greatest champion of all time is already fighting the greased up, shorts grabbing cheater inside him.
Real 185 Champ Rock Lukehold said:
Much respect to Uncle Lorenzo for not turning a blind eye to blatant cheating.
TheKaeptain
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DA ROCK needs to come over to the UFC.
I can't wait for Strikeforce to fold so the true Middleweight GOAT can make his way over to the Ultimate. Anderson would probably retire before fighting him though.
"Chael Sonnen, motivated, in great shape, injury free, couldn't have been better, and wanted that title so bad. Goes in that first round, look at the way that happened, and this is what Chael Sonnen said to me after the fight, he didn't say it at the press conference, but he said it to me.
He said 'I have so much respect for this guy, Dana. I've been competing in combat sports since I was 7-years old and in that first round when I was on top of him and I was hitting him with those big elbows, I felt him break. I broke him in that first round. He came back in the second round, and destroyed me.' He said 'I've never seen anybody do that, ever.'"
Sonnen is twice the man his coach and some of his fans are.
His coach is saying all kinds of bullshit now, claiming foul play. But soon after the fight he was saying that he felt like Sonnen could retire. Dude is not doing his friend any favors.
If Sonnen really thinks he deserve a rematch on grounds of the short grabbing and vaseline greasing he should come out and say it. I doubt he will.
He said 'I have so much respect for this guy, Dana. I've been competing in combat sports since I was 7-years old and in that first round when I was on top of him and I was hitting him with those big elbows, I felt him break. I broke him in that first round. He came back in the second round, and destroyed me.' He said 'I've never seen anybody do that, ever.'"
Sonnen is twice the man his coach and some of his fans are.
His coach is saying all kinds of bullshit now, claiming foul play. But soon after the fight he was saying that he felt like Sonnen could retire. Dude is not doing his friend any favors.
If Sonnen really thinks he deserve a rematch on grounds of the short grabbing and vaseline greasing he should come out and say it. I doubt he will.
I don't think you read the article very carefully. Kizer said that Anderson is not welcome back IF he pulls stuff like he did at 148 again. This is sensationalism at it's finest!
He didn't "break" Silva in the first round though. Yeah, Silva couldn't get back up because Sonnen's top control is so good, but he didn't hurt him. Silva just rode out the round and did a good job tying Sonnen up and protecting his face. The whole first round, I was thinking about what Anderson said at the countdown show. Something along the lines of "yeah, you took me down and beat me up for five rounds Chael, good job, but that's nothing. You didn't win."
I don't disagree with you. Chael is great at takedowns, but it seems he just don't know what to do after that. If he did there was no way he would have lost the first fight.
I might be wrong, it's been what, almost 2 years? But if I remember it right Anderson was not even bleeding when that fight ended, and Sonnen stayed on top of him for almost 20 minutes...
Chael needs to forget training standing strikes and just focus on learning how to effectively strike when you're on top. Focus on your strengths bro. All your fights end that way anyway. Hell he even got a full mount on Anderson on the last minute of the first round but couldn't seriously hit him.
And I find hilarious all this vaseline bitching. Andy must have a can of vaseline hidden in his shorts! I mean, how much vaseline he had on his face? Enough to grease his body so much that Sonnen would not even be able to hold him?
People really think that made a difference? Chael still put him down 10 seconds on the fight and proceeded to stay on top of him doing almost nothing for 4 minutes and a half.
ldcommando
Banned
You forgot the fact that they did not really wipe him down, they activated the super secret scratch and sniff vaseline.
They both showed their true colors in the end. Quite a twist, isn't it?
Anderson is a man who pretends to be some kind of honor-bound martial artist outside of the cage, who in fact a dirty player inside of it. Chael has proven himself to be a showman who conducts himself with class when the time to promote the fight is over.
Anderson is a man who pretends to be some kind of honor-bound martial artist outside of the cage, who in fact a dirty player inside of it. Chael has proven himself to be a showman who conducts himself with class when the time to promote the fight is over.
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
Anderson makes a conscious decision to try to transfer as much Vaseline from his face to arms and chest he can whenever he fights someone that is a good ground fighter.
Its obvious hes trying to give himself an advantage in the first couple of minutes till the sweat is flowing.
How effective it is is not the issue everyone has but the fact he does it.
Its interesting if you go back and watch the second round again and watch how effective his grabbing of the shorts were and you can see that is the exact point when the momentum switched.. up until that point Chael was again controlling Anderson very effectively.
Right at 4:10 of the second Chael transitions to a takedown and Anderson grabs his shorts and pulls him to try and negate the takedown then on the break he keeps holding the shorts and getting in a shot till 3:52 almost 20 seconds he was holding the shorts.
After that Chael got sloppy trying to push harder and get back in the clinch and thats when it all fell apart.
Anderson beat him from that point on..but the whole change happened due to Anderson effectively cheating and getting away with it.
Grats to the GOAT he's a badass..sleazy..but still a baddass
Its obvious hes trying to give himself an advantage in the first couple of minutes till the sweat is flowing.
How effective it is is not the issue everyone has but the fact he does it.
Its interesting if you go back and watch the second round again and watch how effective his grabbing of the shorts were and you can see that is the exact point when the momentum switched.. up until that point Chael was again controlling Anderson very effectively.
Right at 4:10 of the second Chael transitions to a takedown and Anderson grabs his shorts and pulls him to try and negate the takedown then on the break he keeps holding the shorts and getting in a shot till 3:52 almost 20 seconds he was holding the shorts.
After that Chael got sloppy trying to push harder and get back in the clinch and thats when it all fell apart.
Anderson beat him from that point on..but the whole change happened due to Anderson effectively cheating and getting away with it.
Grats to the GOAT he's a badass..sleazy..but still a baddass
I really doubt that grabbing the shorts helped Anderson avoid a takedown, but I do think that small injury on Chael's nose was inflicted with the punch Anderson hit him while he was grabbing the shorts.
So yeah, it was bad sportsmanship, but fighters do that all the time including Sonnen, many times it's instinct. He hit the back of Anderson's head on the first round, I don't think it was intentional but he hit it.
Jose Aldo grabbed the fence when Chad Mendes almost took him down remember? I still think Aldo would have won that fight, but probably not on the first round. That kind of stuff happens all the time, it's business as usual. The only difference is that people were much more invested on this fight.
Dagless M.D.
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Some stone cold truth right there. Bit like Fedor and his rope grabbing.
The difference is no one else is claiming to be a "martial artist" on some kind of moral high ground.
Big Baybee
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What's more sleazy? Juicing or grabbing shorts for a few seconds?
Chael the doper is so classy. Let's applaud him for being so classy. I wonder if his coach is doing anything at his behest? We'll never know.
Silva greases a few fights, grabs shorts in one, and now he's classless. Claiming to be a martial artist means you're claiming to be Jesus.
Holy shit, please tell me you see this. I mean, shit, GSP greased on such another level they had to change ring procedure and everyone loves him.
Insane Metal
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LOL that's awesome. Hahaha
Dagless M.D.
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I really wish there was a huge expose on PED's in the UFC, I bet a lot of peoples favourite fighters are on the juice.
Chael is licensed to use TRT by the NSAC. He was suspended for not properly reporting his needed and now medically cleared usage.
I guess we can open the can of worms as to why people are so up in arms about certain performance enhancing activities when so many of them are deemed legal. Guess what, friends? Anderson takes a cocktail of drugs each and every day to be the best fighter he can be.
But let's not deflect from the subject at hand. There's a reason why people don't like Anderson. It's the same reason why a lot of people do not like Bones. He comes off as someone who is holier-than-thou when he's been proven to be a walking contradiction of what he claims to be.
I guess we can open the can of worms as to why people are so up in arms about certain performance enhancing activities when so many of them are deemed legal. Guess what, friends? Anderson takes a cocktail of drugs each and every day to be the best fighter he can be.
But let's not deflect from the subject at hand. There's a reason why people don't like Anderson. It's the same reason why a lot of people do not like Bones. He comes off as someone who is holier-than-thou when he's been proven to be a walking contradiction of what he claims to be.
Big Baybee
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Get it all out of your system, Heel. lol, my God. People really are fucking salty.
People find reasons to hate every fighter. You act like Silva is hated more than the average fighter or something. He isn't. I bet more people hate Chael and Jones.
Anderson doesn't misrepresent himself. He hardly talks shit at all and he backs up all the things he does say in the ring. What else matters? Silva doesn't act holier than thou. You project that on to him because you want to see him lose. The best chance of that happening just got TKO'd. I'd be mad too.
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
thing was it wasnt an incidental grab..it was a grab and hold..and hold..and hold..then the ref yelled to stop and had to slap his hand before he broke..
its different then when someone slams you and you reach out on instinct.
but in the end it don't matter he won
its different then when someone slams you and you reach out on instinct.
but in the end it don't matter he won
When did the truth becomes saltiness?
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
pretty much when brock lesnar opened up MMA to the general masses, the new generation of MMA aficionado's is upon us, and its fault lies squarely on his shoulders ;-)
exactly. Hes an amazing fighter but man...... fuck that guy.
I'm engaging the thread with an actual conversation beyond hyperbolic praise for the demigod known as Anderson. Can you handle that?
We can go on pretending that the longest reigning champion in UFC history wasn't greeted with a chant of U-S-A last Saturday night. Opinions are mixed on Anderson for reasons beyond his indisputable talent in the ring. To me there's more than liking a fighter than for what they do in the octagon.
I believe Anderson has misrepresented himself. He admonishes Chael for being disrespectful when he himself has a history of disrespect. He's on his martial arts high horse and cheating in the middle of the octagon.
My favorite fighters don't misrepresent themselves, even if they are cheaters. That I can respect.
I think it reads as salty, because a few incidents don't really hold weight with Silvas performance(in the UFC). It totally disregards the myt..err..man's physical ability and precision fighting that many have come to find boring, because he is a tactician. Hes not a redbulled out MMA fighter with tattoos with a super personality. Speaking to a friend of mine that went to the fight, he just flat out said he was in support of anyone fighting Silva. That in itself is just salty hate.
Lets be real here, if anderson dopes. Everyone dopes, but doping doesn't give him the edge in his fights. Unless hes taking some Awareness cocaine that makes him see the punches before they happen. I just follow his fights, and they are always precise blows and maximizing opportunity of mistakes. Hes not out fighting people in a toe to toe punch or kick fest. Hes not slipping away from opponents due to his greasyness. It never comes down to that. As we saw in the first Sonnen fight, where I'm sorry, Sonnen overwhelmed him with wrestling and strikes. If Sonnen was anyone else, who had more of a bite behind his punch, anderson would have lost. He was losing, and got lucky with that triangle lock or what not.
Its something to discuss, sure. But Silva hasn't barely won fights due to cheating during his entire career. The greasing was lame, as we all knew it was to make grabbing him harder and promote glancing blows. Either that, or keeping the myth from being eroded by hate.
Lets be real here, if anderson dopes. Everyone dopes, but doping doesn't give him the edge in his fights. Unless hes taking some Awareness cocaine that makes him see the punches before they happen. I just follow his fights, and they are always precise blows and maximizing opportunity of mistakes. Hes not out fighting people in a toe to toe punch or kick fest. Hes not slipping away from opponents due to his greasyness. It never comes down to that. As we saw in the first Sonnen fight, where I'm sorry, Sonnen overwhelmed him with wrestling and strikes. If Sonnen was anyone else, who had more of a bite behind his punch, anderson would have lost. He was losing, and got lucky with that triangle lock or what not.
Its something to discuss, sure. But Silva hasn't barely won fights due to cheating during his entire career. The greasing was lame, as we all knew it was to make grabbing him harder and promote glancing blows. Either that, or keeping the myth from being eroded by hate.
Unidentified
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That is what Chael Sonnen likes to repeat (at least one of the versions he liked to repeat.) But from what I recall from that hearing, they basically didn't really get anywhere and just decided to reduce the suspension. He was never proven 'innocent' on anything and both Kizer and Dodd has said he has lied and continued to lie regarding TRT and how he handled the commission.
That and he still had to be within reasonable limits in the first place. Once you're on TRT, that doesn't mean you can abuse it.
Neither are 'clean fighters', but the things that Sonnen has done (convicted felon, steroid abuse, racism, etc...) is a bit more on the malicious side than what Anderson has done. If you've actually watched MMA, you'll see the referee warn people plenty of times in a fight. The only egregious thing in the fight was with the vaseline, and no worse than what GSP did.
LOL how stupidly ironic of you to say because I would say Sonnen's wwe bullshit brought in more than Brock.
Plus I love how people in here love to pull the card thinking that everyone that has a differing view must be a noob of some sort.
I would not be surprised if there are not many many more posters who have lurked in the MMA threads for quite some time but can not stomach the inane knuckle dragging asshattery that people spew constantly.
Luckily people come out of troll mode enough to keep it interesting before slipping back into it, but it still gets tedious.
I do not know about anyone else but my first UFC experience was watching Kimo getting caught by Royce and Shamrock at UFC 3 on shitty VHS.
Actually thinking back, I wonder how many fighters these days could actually handle the tourney format with no weight classes.
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
TheKaeptain
Banned
Nope. Let's just let them do it openly. I want juiced up guys that are bigger, faster, and stronger.
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
You know what I love? When people complain about a community they don't even participate in, like it's some kind of soap opera they watch on television. So far everything I've read from you has been absolutely worthless. How about you keep playing the backround instead of drive-by whining until you have something of value to add to the conversation?
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
That would be like blanking out Jerry,George,Elaine and Kramer and saying Sienfield is better with just the supporting cast..i just can't even image a world like that.
Big Baybee
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It's fascinating to me. I'm just wondering how long these rants can go on for.
Everyone is on some kind of PED, even if it is just Alpha Brain and caffeine. The fact is that Anderson is a better fighter than Chael. He won two fights in a row over Chael. Part of being the best in any sport is pushing the rules to your advantage. Jordan was among the dirtiest players of all time. That doesn't take away from being the best. Mayweather does some sketchy shit. The best baseball players were clearly juiced up.
Cheating is undoubtedly a part of sports. All sports. Anderson is not only a better fighter than Chael, but apparently he's a better cheater, too.
Cheating is undoubtedly a part of sports. All sports. Anderson is not only a better fighter than Chael, but apparently he's a better cheater, too.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Its really not like that at all.
Well obviously Anderson Silva gifs and salt.jpg is much better for conversation. Thank you UFC-GAF for showing us the way.
What community? I've never even seen half you people post in mma gaf so how the fuck would you know that the 'community' has gone to shit. You people post twice a year when bones or silva fight in a seperate thread and then pretend you're the authority on the gaf mma community. You wanna know what goes to shit? Every thread that the rest of you post in. YOU have gone to shit. The rest of us are actually having a great time.
LowEndTorque
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All this talk of cheating reminds me of a certain MW fighter who was on horse meat in his last title shot. He still got choked out though. What was his name again...?
Have you read his authorized biography? Anderson comes clean about a lot of things there, including some nasty stuff. And that's just the stuff he wanted to talk about, imagine what an unauthorized bio would tell.
He never claimed to be a moral standard, but a lot of his fans see him that way. That's their issue, not his.
And I'm really curious. What kind of performance drugs Anderson takes? You seem to be in the know friend.
About Sonnen doping:
Link to this Dr. Benjamin site. The guy is well versed in this kind of stuff and worked on medical panels on boxing commissions.
TheKaeptain
Banned
Hey man Dem post every time Reem fights so he can call him a fraud.
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