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That's true, Bruce leaves him the costume of Batman - called a symbol and not just a man throughout the movie - so he can wear little gold shorts instead.
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So I saw this at midnight but I never really posted real spoilery impressions.
- The actors were really good. There was some clunky dialogue in the "goodbye, Alfred" scene (among others... Nolan always has some clunky dialogue) but Michael Caine saves it and makes it emotional. The theatre was definitely dead silent when it came to that scene. I can't help but wonder if Nolan really wanted to keep Alfred alive for the end of the film and needed a way to keep him out of Gotham... With Bane knowing Bruce's identity I thought Alfred was going to be killed in this film for sure.
- Caine, Oldman, Freeman, JGL, and Hardy do not disappoint in the slightest. Oldman in particular felt like an older, hardened Gordon and Hardy was quite different from what I initially expected of Bane, but he really delivered. The audience really reacted to all the scenes in which he broke people's necks and it was also really quiet when he came out for his speech on the football field like it was during Alfred's goodbye.
- Bale was fantastic in this one, and Hathaway was amazing in every scene that she had. While I think Bruce was a little too trusting (he didn't make much of an effort to hide his identity from Selina and gave her lots of second chances) I also take it he was a little infatuated and maybe saw a bit of his Begins self in Selina. I bought all the Batman-Catwoman interactions though.
- Cotillard was fine but didn't really stand out for good or for bad. I was surprised they did go the Talia Al Ghul route since Ra's only mentioned a wife in the first movie. It didn't feel like a bad or artificial twist, but it was just kind of there. I wondered if it was coming after Bane was "revealed" to be the son of Ra's. "Well, in Batman lore Ra's does have a daughter..."
- Really, both villains were finished off rather quickly I felt compared to past films but I guess the climax was more about the end of Batman than his triumph over Bane and Talia. Bane's defeat was good and his final moments felt like a fitting conclusion to that character; I almost got a "death of Darth Vader" vibe from some of his last moments after Batman pummels him. Talia's? Not so much.
- I didn't think they would actually use the Knightfall imagery of Bane "breaking" Batman over his knee. I thought we'd get a throwaway "break you" line but not the actual lift. Both fights with Bane were really well done, with the lack of music and Bane beating Bats in the first and in turn Batman's brutal beatdown of Bane in the second. I could like, see what was going on as well.
- I know the flashbacks seemed pretty unnecessary but I have a feeling they might've been for people who hadn't seen Begins in particular. Maybe it was because they didn't know if he was really back from the dead but a lot of people seemed kind of confused when Neeson showed up. I was quite surprised and glad that he did, wearing the same outfit (I think) as when he first found Bruce in prison in Begins. The whole film is really good about maintaining continuity. Speaking of which:
- It was nice to see all the board members again (including the one who was more loyal to Bruce who ends up coming with "Miranda" and Lucius to see the bomb) and I'm pretty sure that the cops in the initial Batman/Bane chase scene were the same ones following the Tumbler in Begins, weren't they?
- I was so happy to see Scarecrow again. The crowd loved him. Cillian Murphy finally got through a Nolan film without putting a sack over his head. Incidentally, I found it interesting that this makes Scarecrow the only enemy to appear in all three films and the only one aside from the Joker to survive in the universe. I was definitely hoping for a cameo once I saw the others in the film.
- I saw the ending coming as soon as Alfred mentioned his little fantasy for Bruce. It pains me to say it because Caine plays the character so well but it almost feels like Alfred is written differently in all three films... I feel like we should've gotten a hint in the earlier movies that this is what Alfred wanted for Bruce. But I was happy with the ending, and I liked that they took the "Dark Knight Returns" route of letting Bruce survive. The ending sequence really felt "right."
- The "Robin" reveal was neither here nor there for me but the theatre seemed to enjoy it. Interesting how after all this time Cotillard really was playing Talia Al Ghul and JGL really was Robin... sort of.
- This was a really dark movie. The Joker may have been more enigmatic and engaging in all of his scenes, but the destruction wrought by Bane and the consequences really feel like the biggest danger that Gotham ever faced. I really thought that any moment we'd see say, Fox's body on the television in the prison but somehow Nolan managed to make a film that felt really dark and hopeless without killing off any of the main characters (except arguably "Batman"). Even though most of them lost a lot along the way, everyone who made it through both Begins and TDK (Bruce, Gordon, Alfred, Fox, and uh, Crane) made it to the end of this one as well.
Anyway, that's my huge wave of impressions or comments. I really loved the film; it's not flawless to be sure but I thought it was an excellent end to the trilogy and I loved the connections to the first two films and the sense of danger throughout.
So I saw this at midnight but I never really posted real spoilery impressions.
- The actors were really good. There was some clunky dialogue in the "goodbye, Alfred" scene (among others... Nolan always has some clunky dialogue) but Michael Caine saves it and makes it emotional. The theatre was definitely dead silent when it came to that scene. I can't help but wonder if Nolan really wanted to keep Alfred alive for the end of the film and needed a way to keep him out of Gotham... With Bane knowing Bruce's identity I thought Alfred was going to be killed in this film for sure.
- Caine, Oldman, Freeman, JGL, and Hardy do not disappoint in the slightest. Oldman in particular felt like an older, hardened Gordon and Hardy was quite different from what I initially expected of Bane, but he really delivered. The audience really reacted to all the scenes in which he broke people's necks and it was also really quiet when he came out for his speech on the football field like it was during Alfred's goodbye.
- Bale was fantastic in this one, and Hathaway was amazing in every scene that she had. While I think Bruce was a little too trusting (he didn't make much of an effort to hide his identity from Selina and gave her lots of second chances) I also take it he was a little infatuated and maybe saw a bit of his Begins self in Selina. I bought all the Batman-Catwoman interactions though.
- Cotillard was fine but didn't really stand out for good or for bad. I was surprised they did go the Talia Al Ghul route since Ra's only mentioned a wife in the first movie. It didn't feel like a bad or artificial twist, but it was just kind of there. I wondered if it was coming after Bane was "revealed" to be the son of Ra's. "Well, in Batman lore Ra's does have a daughter..."
- Really, both villains were finished off rather quickly I felt compared to past films but I guess the climax was more about the end of Batman than his triumph over Bane and Talia. Bane's defeat was good and his final moments felt like a fitting conclusion to that character; I almost got a "death of Darth Vader" vibe from some of his last moments after Batman pummels him. Talia's? Not so much.
- I didn't think they would actually use the Knightfall imagery of Bane "breaking" Batman over his knee. I thought we'd get a throwaway "break you" line but not the actual lift. Both fights with Bane were really well done, with the lack of music and Bane beating Bats in the first and in turn Batman's brutal beatdown of Bane in the second. I could like, see what was going on as well.
- I know the flashbacks seemed pretty unnecessary but I have a feeling they might've been for people who hadn't seen Begins in particular. Maybe it was because they didn't know if he was really back from the dead but a lot of people seemed kind of confused when Neeson showed up. I was quite surprised and glad that he did, wearing the same outfit (I think) as when he first found Bruce in prison in Begins. The whole film is really good about maintaining continuity. Speaking of which:
- It was nice to see all the board members again (including the one who was more loyal to Bruce who ends up coming with "Miranda" and Lucius to see the bomb) and I'm pretty sure that the cops in the initial Batman/Bane chase scene were the same ones following the Tumbler in Begins, weren't they?
- I was so happy to see Scarecrow again. The crowd loved him. Cillian Murphy finally got through a Nolan film without putting a sack over his head. Incidentally, I found it interesting that this makes Scarecrow the only enemy to appear in all three films and the only one aside from the Joker to survive in the universe. I was definitely hoping for a cameo once I saw the others in the film.
- I saw the ending coming as soon as Alfred mentioned his little fantasy for Bruce. It pains me to say it because Caine plays the character so well but it almost feels like Alfred is written differently in all three films... I feel like we should've gotten a hint in the earlier movies that this is what Alfred wanted for Bruce. But I was happy with the ending, and I liked that they took the "Dark Knight Returns" route of letting Bruce survive. The ending sequence really felt "right."
- The "Robin" reveal was neither here nor there for me but the theatre seemed to enjoy it. Interesting how after all this time Cotillard really was playing Talia Al Ghul and JGL really was Robin... sort of.
- This was a really dark movie. The Joker may have been more enigmatic and engaging in all of his scenes, but the destruction wrought by Bane and the consequences really feel like the biggest danger that Gotham ever faced. I really thought that any moment we'd see say, Fox's body on the television in the prison but somehow Nolan managed to make a film that felt really dark and hopeless without killing off any of the main characters (except arguably "Batman"). Even though most of them lost a lot along the way, everyone who made it through both Begins and TDK (Bruce, Gordon, Alfred, Fox, and uh, Crane) made it to the end of this one as well.
Anyway, that's my huge wave of impressions or comments. I really loved the film; it's not flawless to be sure but I thought it was an excellent end to the trilogy and I loved the connections to the first two films and the sense of danger throughout.
Juno Temple was just a little sidekick thief hanging out with Selina. Without as much conscience, as she seemed to enjoy the anarchy.
Bane's right hand man got shot and died as Talia was leaving the courthouse and on her way to the tumbler. He stood up and took a bullet and dead.
FlashbladeGAF
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Your comparing comic book Batman to Nolan Batman
Nolan's Batman doesnt know what to do with his life until after he becomes an adult and tries to kill Joe Chill
Plus he was willing to leave the cape and cowl for Love where Comic book Batman would never ever consider retiring
ThatCrazyGuy
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They could start something new up in the same universe, without Batman as the core maybe.
I would rather he be Nightwing than "Robin" though. Maybe he takes one other orphans in as Robin. Then Batman comes back like WTF you doing, a kid?!?! haha.
I would rather he be Nightwing than "Robin" though. Maybe he takes one other orphans in as Robin. Then Batman comes back like WTF you doing, a kid?!?! haha.
If his given name is actually Robin, do you really think that would be his secret identity?
Der Flatulator
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When I said "role of Batman", it was supposed to mean protector of Gotham, not actually being the next Batman.
And I agree, this can't be the end.
SonicMegaDrive
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Was anybody else relieved that Catwoman didn't turn out as crappy as a lot of people were expecting? She was a pleasant surprise, I felt.
Because that's the whole point of Robin. One day Bruce will be too old or weak or broken to be Batman so he needs a successor.
Hero_of_the_Day
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No way, and especially not with Nolan involved. Smallest chance I could see a JGL Batman movie that continues from here, but I still think it's more likely we see a full on reboot.
It's a combination of psychology and logistics. You cannot starve a population for endless weeks and not expect them not to mount a counter-offensive. Legitimate regimes have been overthrown for less......let alone a ragtag group of criminals that will have all the same problems as the populace (lack of food, water, and other amenities).
There's probably better stuff to focus on with TDKR, but for some reason this particular plot point bothers me......mainly because there had at least previously been a focus on keeping things realistic. The same issues never bother me in a film like Zombieland, where there is no explainable reason for the power grid to still be working.
I think the big difference is Nolan Batman trusts people, but comic Batman doesn't.
Skiptastic
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I'm on my phone so it's hard to type out my full thoughts, but one thing that I loved was how Bane kind of snapped when his mask got broken a bit in the second fight. He starts going brutal and not smart, punching that column a couple of times in rage. That was a great moment for me.
The 'Robin' line was just Nolan trolling. Blake gave a 'lol no' reaction to it. Robin is lame and Nolan knows that.
Seventy_X_Seven
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Yeah, so the whole scene dedicated completely to revealing his name as Robin was just for giggles.
And to the other guy, he doesn't have to wear little gold shorts instead. There's lots of versions various versions of Robin and surely they could do a new take on him. I just can't see him dressing up as Batman pretending to be Batman. He could take the suits and modify them to create his own symbol.
No, sorry but you're wrong. Without Robin Batman wouldn't even be around today. He's an essential part of what makes Batman interesting, without him Batman has nobody to play off of, he's just another angsty masked vigilante, totally unmemorable and his book would have been cancelled long, long ago. Batman would have never evolved past a bad Shadow rip-off with a gun, you probably would have never even heard of Batman and you certainly would have never watched any movies about him.
TimeEffect
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Wow, the OP's title has "AURORA" capitalized
ThatCrazyGuy
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Yea, I figured it was fan service, heh. Just something familiar so people know he could continue the "mission".
From the blown bridge scene on, I thought Dick was going to be revealed as his real name.
Joel Was Right
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Everything between the post-hostage scene at the start, and hence Batman's re-introduction, and the last 15 minutes was forgettable and dull for me. Someone suggested this movie may perhaps have benefited from being a two-parter, and I'm inclined to agree; the pacing was a bit off. Ultimately
Dark Knight >>> Dark Knight Rises > Batman Begins
Dark Knight >>> Dark Knight Rises > Batman Begins
Joel Was Right
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Bit off-topic, I know, but what did you guys think of the Superman trailer?
Crap. Using that LOTR music was awful and they barely showed anything. The Returns teaser was godly by comparison.
Inferno313
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Looks nice but it showed so little. I'm very interested though.
FlashbladeGAF
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Disappointed it wasnt the SDCC footage
After the panel hype I needed more than him just breaking the sound barrier
watch the leaked footage if you need more
neoism
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Well it was insane and awesome and not as good as TDK, and the only reason I can think of is because TDK came out of no where and amazed everyone, this movie with all its craziness and fan service which isn't a bad thing, just had no change to be better than a surprise.... Mister Tom Hardy did a fine job as a villain, but I hate that at the end his just shot and you never seen him again. It's like most of the film never gets its right amount of time on-screen. The plot twists I should have seen coming, but were affective enough. JGL,Miss Anna, and Bale where amazing as actors. Shame about Freeman you could totally tell about his arm. Also mister Caine was amazing and I'm glad he in Nolan next new hotness. Tom was way more insane than Joker, and it showed, but it wasn't as a surprise as Joker was. But the fact is this movie wasn't a surprise and that in itself is the main reason it not as good. This is a spectacular trilogy. The Ending was amazing, and ended right..... definitely made me like Robin more. The thing I dislike most was that the, RISE part wasn't long enough. Bruce should have had 10 more minutes in the prison, the editing was good, but was too quick, in not showing the right parts, long enough. The prison scene felt less signficant because of it.
Still a great trilogy and great movie... will watch again a week from now. This isn't a third movie cruse it's the fact that the beginning is always better than the end because we have the control over it, until its revealed. Also since I posted at the end of the page, plus need to add, that HOLLYWOOD REEEEEEEAAAAALLLLLLYYYY needs to stop taking so long with these film... motherfucas be old up the shit. lol
TDK>BB=TDKR....
Best Trilogy in 20 years.
Still a great trilogy and great movie... will watch again a week from now. This isn't a third movie cruse it's the fact that the beginning is always better than the end because we have the control over it, until its revealed. Also since I posted at the end of the page, plus need to add, that HOLLYWOOD REEEEEEEAAAAALLLLLLYYYY needs to stop taking so long with these film... motherfucas be old up the shit. lol
TDK>BB=TDKR....
Best Trilogy in 20 years.
Skiptastic
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Looked interesting to me. Mostly because it looks absolutely nothing like a Zack Snyder film. But that was probably the film grain atmosphere they were going for. Don't expect the whole film to be like that.
One of the best of all time for me. Right next to Indiana Jones and original Star Wars trilogy.
planar1280
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Who said he was becoming batman right when the movie ends
Next batman reboot will focus on batman the detective...
Sorcerer
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The Robin reference is not the first homage in the film
Remember the football player left standing?. His last name is Ward. Burt Ward is Robin in the 60's Batman show. Thats the first Robin reference.
Also I heard the snow in the fight scene is an homage to "Batman Returns" supossedly
Nolan is a big fan of that film.
neoism
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hemmmmemehememeh damn was that a surprise lol she is so hot, looking forward that one movie she is in....
It was a nod to the characters that inspired him, and to Robin being as important to the Batman mythos as Batman himself. But, using your real name as your superhero name is a bad idea. Robin's, well Dick Grayson, and others have donned the Batsuit several times already in comics.
FlashbladeGAF
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Auron_Kale
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Is that really the reason they chose Hines Ward to be in the movie? As an homage to Burt Ward? I just figured they used Ward because they wanted to use him...
neoism
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fuck that allll that, Robin was done in the best way possible. A new trilogy or bust.... Nolan's Batman ended.... Nightwing..lol I hope they take 6 + years...
Davey Cakes
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I have to say, I know that the "football field bombing" was in the trailer in order to sell the film, but I think that would've been much crazier to watch if it wasn't spoiled.
Reminds me of the truck-flipping scene in TDK. Another one that would've been even more mindblowing if it was a surprise. But hey, it made the trailer badass.
Reminds me of the truck-flipping scene in TDK. Another one that would've been even more mindblowing if it was a surprise. But hey, it made the trailer badass.
Zen_Arcade
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....except for the part in one of the other films he tells random civilians to stop imitating Batman. The idea that "anyone can be Batman" by just putting on a suit is a terrible concept and totally undermines what makes Batman badass. It takes away a huge part of what made Batman Batman. It completely takes away the weight and responsibility of being a hero. Which has always been a pillar of what Batman is, no matter what medium he's being portrayed in.
If JGL can just put on that Batsuit and pick up where Batman left off then Bruce Wayne's entire journey was for nothing.
Plasticine
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The people of Gotham aren't being starved. Bane negotiated food and supplies to be brought in by the government. You actually see one of these shipments when the soldiers sneak into the city.
uhhhhhhhhhh
what?
I saw every trailer and didn't know half the shit going on going into the film.
What's REMEMBER AURORA mean? lol
Anton Sugar
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I loved the movie, but I think the spine "healing" scene summed up a lot of the logic leaps/plot holes in this movie.
"First you need to fix your back. Your vertebrae are sticking out."
WHAM
"Okay, you're good to go, now just heal up."
Somehow, I think spinal rehab is a bit more precise than that. A number of things happen because they need to happen in this.
"First you need to fix your back. Your vertebrae are sticking out."
WHAM
"Okay, you're good to go, now just heal up."
Somehow, I think spinal rehab is a bit more precise than that. A number of things happen because they need to happen in this.
Sorcerer
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I bet Nolan would have wanted to hide that scene but Warner Bros looked at that scene most likely and said "trailer material"
I know Nolan can push Warners around a little bit, but on something like this he probably has no veto power.
I meant visually.
Escape Goat
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I felt like I was watching 3 or 4 different films the whole time. I couldn't have cared less about Bruce's story and Batman (title character) was nowhere to be seen for the majority of the film. Anne Hathaway totally sold me on Selina Kyle though. She was sexy, street tough and was able to match Batman's physicality. Though I doubt they taught you how to fight that well in Women's Correctional Facilities.
Bale's Bruce Wayne voice was much improved. He actually sounded interested in the lines he was reciting. Bane's voice was terrible and a hindrance rather than a worthwhile characterization choice. Fight scene choreography was much improved. I could actually see hits landing and the quick cuts were less. Batwing was still LOLtastic but Batman couldn't be showed up by Catwoman on the Batcycle. A flying spaceship was about the only way to top it.
I want a Robin, Catwoman movie now. Ditch Bale and Nolan though. After it all said and done, I think Nolan's take on superheros are far too sterile for my taste. Theres gotta be a nice mix between a realistic and respectful take on a source material and old fashioned comic book superheroics.
Bale's Bruce Wayne voice was much improved. He actually sounded interested in the lines he was reciting. Bane's voice was terrible and a hindrance rather than a worthwhile characterization choice. Fight scene choreography was much improved. I could actually see hits landing and the quick cuts were less. Batwing was still LOLtastic but Batman couldn't be showed up by Catwoman on the Batcycle. A flying spaceship was about the only way to top it.
I want a Robin, Catwoman movie now. Ditch Bale and Nolan though. After it all said and done, I think Nolan's take on superheros are far too sterile for my taste. Theres gotta be a nice mix between a realistic and respectful take on a source material and old fashioned comic book superheroics.
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