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Holy shit. That was terrible. I'm honestly trying to figure out more ways that they could have screwed that up.

Things I liked:
-The opening plane hijacking was pretty balling
-Meeting Catwoman is the best introduction that character has ever had.
-The doctor telling Bruce how fucked up his body is
-Lucius Fox and Alfred were both true to their character
-Bane breaks Batman's back
-Bane's voice sounds like Sean Connery talking through a vocoder.


Things I didn't like (in rough descending order of importance):
-This was not a Batman movie. Batman is onscreen for perhaps half an hour total. This would be fine if the movie was about exploring Bruce's relationship with Batman but its not, outside of a few heavy-handed attempts with Alfred.

-The final moments of the movie completely contradict each other, in a way that's so laughably oblivious I cannot believe they wrote it. I'm deadly serious when I say that this really bothers me: Bruce says goodbye to Gordon by saying "it doesn't matter who I am, the point is that it could have been anyone". Then he flies off in his Batcopter to drop the nuke over the bay. No Bruce, not anyone could have done it. Not anyone could have had access to a fucking Batcopter and millions of dollars of other types of technology.

-Bane goes nowhere as a character. I had extremely high hopes for Bane. Absolutely none of them were met.

-The entire population of the city goes far too easily from "holy shit he is threatening to nuke us" to "tear down the palaces of the bourgeois and piss on their tapestries!".

-The plot twist is completely nonsensical. Its not clever to suddenly reveal Selina's true identity when there has been literally nothing even suggesting at the possible potential of anything like that. Its cheap, plain and simple.

-Anything to do with Robin. Sorry JGL, I like you, but you did nothing in this movie. Every meaningful thing they tried to have you do was heavy-handed and shallow.

-You know what, every meaningful thing the entire movie tried to do was heavy-handed and shallow.

-Plot holes! Most noticeably: Bruce climbs out of a pit in the desert and then somehow gets into Gotham despite the fact that its on lockdown? Did he just summon his Batcopter and fly in despite being one of the least subtle vehicles ever designed?

-They aren't even trying to disguise Gotham anymore. Batman Begins created an amazing Gotham. TDK featured some night shots that were blatantly Chicago, but if you didn't live in Chicago you might not recognize them. But Manhattan fucking Island?

-Lets send all of the police into an underground tunnel system that has been controlled by hostile forces for quite some time. Have you learned nothing from Vietnam?

-Bane goes out with a whimper.

-Too much exposition. "Hey, are you talking about/do you have X?" "Yes, I have X which contains features Y and Z which you know full well about but the audience doesn't"

-Not once. Not twice. But four times that I counted they featured the shot of Batman with his head listlessly to the side, his mouth open, and his eyes glassy. I literally laughed for five straight minutes on the way home from the theater remembering that expression. No-one in editing said "hm, perhaps in some of the most dramatic scenes of the movie Batman shouldn't look like he's high on painkillers?"

-Prison sequence is meaningless. Its some random scenes thrown in to the Gotham action to remind us that Bruce is still in the movie. He learns nothing, he doesn't grow as a character in any way that isn't laughably cliche, and like most of the movie they're dropped in with a seemingly random sense of pacing.
 
Bodies get very pulpy in plane crash, identified by DNA. Pavel's DNA was in the corpse through transfusion. Other guy got left because they expected one prisoner to be on board.

He is a coward. He thought he would live- there is a line about his children, right? I presume he was promised he couldgo home.

They believed the threats. The immediate danger of anarchy was less than the threat of the nuke, so take it slow and hope something can happen. They did send in agents, as you recall, with the intent of taking the bomb down.

Thank you. Bane is perhaps now the most intellectually formidable villain in any of the live action DC/Marvel movies so far.
 
In Empire, I think its very possilbe Yoda could have used the Force to have Lukes X-Wing crash where it did. Its not going to be explained because it would ruin Yoda's reveal.
But Yoda didn't want anything to do with Luke. He had to be convinced by a dead person before he would even give a shit.

. . . unless Yoda uses the force to redirect every incoming vessel to his location to steal whatever they have, which is entirely possible. XD
 
We are talking about slightly different things I think. Nolan may have wanted the effect of flurry of motion for the Batman fights (as an artistic choice) but the scenes are shot in fundamentally different ways also. This is how fight choreography works. Moves are planned with a start and end point for a set of movements, to create the illussion of a continuous fight, not to actually be one. The camera in the Ra's sword fight is placed at numerous different angles for the beggining of each movement set (watch the scene and look at the cuts). That can only be done by repositioning the camera and doing lots of takes, not just by shooting with multiple cameras from different angles (and still doing multiple takes). Basically he is editing the first fight in the Camera (which is really what I should have said to begin with) the other fights aren't shot like this. whether I'm right about why they weren't is just my guess work though. Does that make what I'm saying clearer.

Indeed it does, I personally prefer fight scenes that aren't so very choreographed or elaborate... they can come off as really cheesy, and well, choreographed, for me.
 
Holy shit. That was terrible. I'm honestly trying to figure out more ways that they could have screwed that up.



-The plot twist is completely nonsensical. Its not clever to suddenly reveal Selina's true identity when there has been literally nothing even suggesting at the possible potential of anything like that. Its cheap, plain and simple.

I disagree with some of your stuff, although I don't think you are generally wrong in that these things happened to some extent.

But as for this:

The scars, Bane knowing where the reactor was, "that was the plan all along" with Dagget. Wasn't just boom, surprise. I might have forgotten some other stuff, too.
 
I disagree with some of your stuff, although I don't think you are generally wrong in that these things happened to some extent.

But as for this:

The scars, Bane knowing where the reactor was, "that was the plan all along" with Dagget. Wasn't just boom, surprise. I might have forgotten some other stuff, too.

If Bane didn't seem to have amazing information on just about every other aspect of his plan I could accept this, but he does.
 
You can't deny that seeing Bruce actually journey back instead of randomly appearing in Gotham would be more impactful and add weight to his struggle.

I agree, but it may have also bogged down the pace that the movie was moving at by that point. It would have been interesting to see, but at the same time I'm not upset with what Nolan chose to do.
 
Anyway, I still love Nolan, but he needs to tone it down on the accent/weird voice overload.

-Batman
-Bane (with an accent, through a vocalizer)
-Cotillard
-The guys in the prison
-Caine
-JGL's New Yark accent

It was, like, every other scene having to reset my brain.
 
Holy shit. That was terrible. I'm honestly trying to figure out more ways that they could have screwed that up.
I loved the movie, and I was willing to excuse a lot of the plot holes, but I can understand all your points. I really liked Joseph Gordon-Levitt in this movie, despite not caring for him much in Inception or 500 Days of Summer.

-The plot twist is completely nonsensical. Its not clever to suddenly reveal Selina's true identity when there has been literally nothing even suggesting at the possible potential of anything like that. Its cheap, plain and simple.
I'm not sure what plot twist regarding Selina you're referring to. Care to elaborate?
 
-They aren't even trying to disguise Gotham anymore. Batman Begins created an amazing Gotham. TDK featured some night shots that were blatantly Chicago, but if you didn't live in Chicago you might not recognize them. But Manhattan fucking Island?

Gotham IS literally a New York/Chicago hybrid.
 
The shot of Batman's head being pummeled by Bane looked weird, for some reason. I don't know why. Maybe it's because he doesn't attempt to move after being hit the first time; he keeps his head in the exact same position so we can see his mask get dented.

It looked like a dummy head, even if it wasn't.
 
Shouldn't Blake have been named Dick Grayson instead of Robin? Guess the majority of the audience wouldn't catch it but it would a been a nice nod to the nerds. Besides you could have a Nightwing spin off.
 
I loved the movie, and I was willing to excuse a lot of the plot holes, but I can understand all your points. I really liked Joseph Gordon-Levitt in this movie, despite not caring for him much in Inception or 500 Days of Summer.


I'm not sure what plot twist regarding Selina you're referring to. Care to elaborate?

Typo. Talia/Miranda.
 
Ra's wanted to flood gotham with the gas in BB and failed because of bruce, he never completed his destiny, Talia wanted to do it for her father and Bane is merely just her guardian and willing to do anything for her.

Yeah, but I don't get why they were willing to sacrifice themselves to do it, especially since they weren't that happy with Ras for excommunicating them. Pretty sure Ras had an exit strategy in Begins. Just surprised that Talia and Bane didn't.
 
If Bane didn't seem to have amazing information on just about every other aspect of his plan I could accept this, but he does.

The real 'inside-man' was Talia, she knew all about the reactor as her charitable organisation was working with Wayne Enterprises on it, but was under the impression it was a failure. OR being the leader of the League of Shadows, and they know shit cause of Ninjas., know it DID work but was being hidden due to it being dangerous.
 
What was the story behind this?


In the end, he decides to stay as Batman for as long as he can. It's implied he's going to search for a partner so he doesn't have to protect Gotham alone for the rest of his life. It ends with everyone in the city cheering when the Bat signal is turned on (quite the change of tone for a Batman film) and he is on top of a building for a few seconds then swoops down. Credits.

About Blake:

He gets promoted in the end and is basically the ultimate good guy. No Robin, sorry lol.

Catwoman:

She worked for the League of Shadows but never knew how serious things were going to get until she witnessed Bane break Batman thanks to her luring him to Bane. She's arrested by Joseph Gordon's character then escapes and hides out at Waynes house until she finds out what happened to him. She was told very little about the League's plans.

She flirts with Bruce but then comes to realize Bane needs to be stopped so she joins him but keeps it clear she's not going to be a good guy when it's all over. I had low expectations for her character but she actually nailed it.

Talia provided all the tumblers for Bane. She used Wayne so she could work for him and steal all of his equiptment. You find this out before she has Lucius killed.

Permaban me please if none of this takes place in the film.
 
Dude, it's a valid gripe but in the end it's whatevers.

How about this?

In Empire Strikes Back, (a movie just about everyone loves) Luke Skywalker travels to Dagobah, looking for a person he has never met and lands within yards of where he lives.

That would be like if I was flying to Earth (and I had never been here) and I happened to land a few yards next to my destination.

What are the chances?

But in the end, it doesn't really matter because, that plot hole isn't enough to destroy the film for me and the one you are calling out isn't enough for me here either.

Is this a real comparison?
 
I loved the movie, and I was willing to excuse a lot of the plot holes, but I can understand all your points. I really liked Joseph Gordon-Levitt in this movie, despite not caring for him much in Inception or 500 Days of Summer.


I'm not sure what plot twist regarding Selina you're referring to. Care to elaborate?

Sorry, not Selina, I got the names mixed up. I meant Miranda
 
He was posting movie plots/ending/characters before the movie was out. Acting like he saw it... people called him out on it. He said to permaban him if they werent true.

The ending he posted was the biggest pile of shit ever lol. Go read page 1

I noticed he hasn't made a post in a couple of weeks, I think he realized people may actually see the movie.
 
I agree, but it may have also bogged down the pace that the movie was moving at by that point. It would have been interesting to see, but at the same time I'm not upset with what Nolan chose to do.

But that's the reason why you don't have three or four unnecessary characters when closing out your trilogy that's supposedly focused on one man's struggle. The pace of the second act gets bogged down because of everything happening beyond Bruce's POV. Had it stuck with him, it could have added more gravity to his return and his redemption.
 
But Yoda didn't want anything to do with Luke. He had to be convinced by a dead person before he would even give a shit.

. . . unless Yoda uses the force to redirect every incoming vessel to his location to steal whatever they have, which is entirely possible. XD


Yoda Knew Luke was coming. The way he casually tells Kenobi forget this kid, kind of implies this.

Rember, Yoda was testing Lukes paitence on purpose to see if was worthy..

Yoda Only Dismisses Luke when he finds him untrainable.
 
Read the first two pages of this thread and laugh.

Holy fucking shit.

I indeed, laughed out loud.

Talia fights Catwoman (cause he can't fight girls).

I missed that part.

Also missed the part when Lucius died.

And that ending...

Did I see the correct cut of the film?
 
Just saw it, thought it was good, not awesome. Some thoughts:

  • Super skeptical about Bane being the primary villain, since he's always been a cartoonish caricature in the past, but goddamn they knock it out of the park here
  • They handled 'Robin' the way I always thought they should i.e. spend a whole movie setting him up, having him be much older, then at the very end boom Robin. His character was poorly realized however since it doesn't go through any arcs (he is never wrong about anything, ever)
  • Movie was far too bloated, I enjoyed it tonight but I know it'll be painful on subsequent views. Remember, aspiring writers, creating something is the easy part, trimming it down is the skill
  • I didn't recognize the actress that played Talia, so googled her. WTF she's like a DDD in the movie but a large B at best in all these google images lol
  • Nolan brought back literally every single plot thread from the series EXCEPT the Joker, which felt really odd the entire time. What was he doing the whole time? Yes, I know Heath Ledger, but there wasn't even a single mention. I mean, fuck, several dead characters make reappearances, and the Joker is still alive
  • The movie really needed Robin in costume with Batman at the end, as the ! at the end of the series. The entire audience was cheering when Batman told him to wear a mask, but alas it was a cocktease
    [*]He's not going to become Nightwing because no one knows who the fuck that is, how does Warner Bros market that shit?
  • BANE WAS SO FUCKING AWESOME

Seems pretty obvious they'll follow the arcs where someone takes over as Batman. He won't be Robin. He'll be Batman.
 
-Plot holes! Most noticeably: Bruce climbs out of a pit in the desert and then somehow gets into Gotham despite the fact that its on lockdown? Did he just summon his Batcopter and fly in despite being one of the least subtle vehicles ever designed?

The closest explanation the movie provides is in the same scene where he comes back to Gotham. Selina wants to escape and Bruce explains that he knows a few ways out of the city if she helps him. It wouldn't be totally unassuming to think Batman of all people could re-enter Gotham despite the amount of security. Maybe he knows a guy in Metropolis who hooked him up.
 
Also, this should have been the last shot of the movie (when Alfred spots Bruce at a diner). Replace James Franco with Bruce Wayne, of course.

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What I thought would happen in the movie:

- I thought it was Alfred in the pit with Bruce, and that scene in the trailer with bearded Bruce yelling was the death of Alfred

- thought Fox would die there in the end

- Bruce dying

- Nolan NOT going the Robin route, much less using his name like that in the movie (ugh)
 
Except when its just fucking NYC. The city atmosphere was definitely lacking in this one.
Oh yeah, way too many shots and sequences in broad daylight. Which brings me to this point:

-Did they re-design the costume? Because in this movie, in the lighting they were showing it, it just looks stupid. The cowl especially. And this is coming from someone who thought it was excellent in BB/TDK
 
I loved the movie, and I was willing to excuse a lot of the plot holes, but I can understand all your points. I really liked Joseph Gordon-Levitt in this movie, despite not caring for him much in Inception or 500 Days of Summer.


I'm not sure what plot twist regarding Selina you're referring to. Care to elaborate?

I'm assuming he means rual's daughter whatever her name was and yeah it was cheap and didn't really add anything. But the relationship with Miranda seemed off and I thought there would be no chance of them ending up together so I guess her being a bad guy did allow Bruce and Selina to have a relationship.
 
So Wayne is dead and Alfred is sitting in the cafe. He looks over and sees Selina and her friend sitting at a table talking.... Selina speaks to her friend, "and then he says I STILL BELIEVE IN YOOOOUU" and they both burst into laughter.

The end.
 
Oh yeah, way too many shots and sequences in broad daylight. Which brings me to this point:

-Did they re-design the costume? Because in this movie, in the lighting they were showing it, it just looks stupid. The cowl especially. And this is coming from someone who thought it was excellent in BB/TDK

I read it was exactly the same, which makes sense plot-wise. I actually thought the cowl looked a little different, but actually better than TDK.

I thought it looked fine, although better in TDK lighting than the brighter light of TDKR.
 
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