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I think the point of that was to keep everyone on edge. Make the citizens distrust everyone around them. I agree it was kind of weak, but it was probably a way to set up Talia having the detonator at the end.
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I think the point of that was to keep everyone on edge. Make the citizens distrust everyone around them. I agree it was kind of weak, but it was probably a way to set up Talia having the detonator at the end.
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Bruce says "I'm buying this place" and gives a cheque, then swims with the ladies.
The fuck?! How sure was he that he was the owner of the place?
The fuck?! How sure was he that he was the owner of the place?
ryutaro's mama
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Ah, trying to be cute and use my own words...
No it's not.
Blake being Blake was a big part of the overall story but how he found out he was Batman was lazy.
FFS, the Joker had to threaten to kill people if Batman didn't reveal himself.
Gordon was right next to the guy for ALL 3 MOVIES and didn't know.
Blake is a better detective than Gordon?
It didn't really matter if it worked or not. He was just a playboy making up his own rules.
I agree; the writing is not as taut and the direction isn't as confident. The cracks aren't as smoothed over in TDKR as they were in the previous two.
Ninja Scooter
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Yes. This is what they were trying to establish. This is why Bruce hands him the keys to the kingdom. Like I said, it's cheesy, but it's not necessarily a plot hole.
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Gordon didn't know cause he doesn't want to know. Also specified very heavily in the books and other medium to a point where Bruce is standing there without a mask and Gordon just covers his eyes. He prefers it that way without associating a name to him and judging him when he doesn't wear the suit for what he does when he wears it.
I thought there would be more of a show of normal people turning on one another in order to survive. To drive home the point that Ra's and the Joker were trying to prove, which would really fuck with Bruce. The "climb over one another to stay in the sun" line had me thinking this was going to be the case.
Nothing really came of it.
Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't but the difference in Gordon and Blake was their upbringing and their character. Blake's upbringing was closer to Bruce's and thus he was able to read Bruce's character better than Gordon could. Honestly Gordon and Bruce never really had much personal interaction with each other, I would say Bruce had more interaction with Gordon as Batman than as Bruce. Also Gordon has never really been that interested in figuring out who Batman is anyway.
Oh and I agree nothing really came up out of that "detonator in the hands of a citizen" thing. It really was just a plot device to set up the twist, nothing more and nothing less. Weak sauce.
ryutaro's mama
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"Let's leave Batman in a hole prison. I mean, I escaped it as a 6-year-old but I don't think he'll be able to do it. Because he's injured. Let's put him in a cell with a doctor.
Also, don't chain him up and don't have any cameras or give them phones so they can tell us if anything goes wrong."
Also, don't chain him up and don't have any cameras or give them phones so they can tell us if anything goes wrong."
Sheesh, Bane broke his back and dislodged his vertebra. He didn't expect movie magic to had it fixed by just pushing it back in place.
Prefectly understandable. :lol
It was about giving him hope. They talk about that. It is directly addressed.
Razgriz-Specter
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Wait a second,
why didn't Talia press the button once Bruce came back to Gotham?
or am I forgetting something, remembering wrong?
why didn't Talia press the button once Bruce came back to Gotham?
or am I forgetting something, remembering wrong?
Ninja Scooter
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Let's have the villian have the hero right where he wants him, and instead of killing him, he'll stop to explain his motivations and his entire plan in detail /everyactionmovieever.
ryutaro's mama
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FlashbladeGAF
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blame Bane
He got to arrogant after breaking Batman
He thought there was no way this person who he crushed so easily could ever come back from being broken. And even if he did he knew (or so he thought) he could do it again (if he actually believed he could escape, which he didnt)
Bane wasn't the mastermind
triplestation
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''I love Gotham and I need to save it so there's no way I'm not gonna make this jump. So what if my spine protruded out of my back this time there is no rope this time so I'm definitely gonna make it.''
At least Bane explains that the whole point of the prison set up was to give Bruce hope of escape when the chances of him doing so were minimal. And yeah it's not like Bane really considered Batman much of a threat even if he made the comeback, he had broken him physically and spiritually.
Most other movies (aka James Bond movies) have similar situations almost all the time, just not as drawn out as this.
Most other movies (aka James Bond movies) have similar situations almost all the time, just not as drawn out as this.
Foxy Fox 39
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Yeah. It was kind of a let down.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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In Bane's words: "Impossible!"
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I watched TDK again tonight for the first time since 2008 at the movies. I forgot how epic this movie was.
Thoughts:
- Man Maggie was a huge step down from Katie. She isn't ugly but Katie is so much hotter
- The Batman voice was not as bad as I remember it in theaters so there's hope for the folks who couldn't understand Bane
- There was no mention of the voice changer in the suit. Where the hell did I get that from? Comics?
- Ledger was amazing
- So many great quotes in this movie
I still think TDKR was better cos I'm a JGL fanboy but it's much closer than I thought yesterday lol
I watched TDK again tonight for the first time since 2008 at the movies. I forgot how epic this movie was.
Thoughts:
- Man Maggie was a huge step down from Katie. She isn't ugly but Katie is so much hotter
- The Batman voice was not as bad as I remember it in theaters so there's hope for the folks who couldn't understand Bane
- There was no mention of the voice changer in the suit. Where the hell did I get that from? Comics?
- Ledger was amazing
- So many great quotes in this movie
I still think TDKR was better cos I'm a JGL fanboy but it's much closer than I thought yesterday lol
Buddha Beam
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I saw it tonight and thought it was great. Not sure if I liked it more than TDK yet, but it was still really damn good.
The only things that I can harp on are Bruce not realizing who Talia was after he banged her, and the way Catwoman took Bane out. I would have preferred Bane go out in a better way as opposed to being basically sniped like that. Kind of a shitty way to get rid of him, really.
Still, count me in as among those who can only imagine what the film could have been had The Joker been in it. Feels like he's the only thing that didn't get resolution in the film. But I can't knock the film for that.
The only things that I can harp on are Bruce not realizing who Talia was after he banged her, and the way Catwoman took Bane out. I would have preferred Bane go out in a better way as opposed to being basically sniped like that. Kind of a shitty way to get rid of him, really.
Still, count me in as among those who can only imagine what the film could have been had The Joker been in it. Feels like he's the only thing that didn't get resolution in the film. But I can't knock the film for that.
The Storyteller
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Thinking back on it the only thing I really didn't like was how absent Alfred is after him and Bruce get into a fight.
Not that I wanted Alfred to show up during the fight scenes but I would have liked to have seen more of him. And while Nolan acknowledges Bruce missing Alfred and realizing how much he cares for him, that moment isn't expanded far enough for me.
Same thing with in TDK. When Rachel dies I wanted to see Bruce really lose it and let it out. He doesn't. Alfred is like his father figure.
I just wanted to see Bruce and Alfred hug it out!
Not that I wanted Alfred to show up during the fight scenes but I would have liked to have seen more of him. And while Nolan acknowledges Bruce missing Alfred and realizing how much he cares for him, that moment isn't expanded far enough for me.
Same thing with in TDK. When Rachel dies I wanted to see Bruce really lose it and let it out. He doesn't. Alfred is like his father figure.
I just wanted to see Bruce and Alfred hug it out!
Adrenaline is a hell of a thing. I'd be willing to bet you'd jump a little further if you're suddenly faced with make it or die.
Not quite the same. Bane wanted to torture Bruce, and either through his ego or ignorance (probably both) he thought that he had broken that man beyond repair. The point of the pit was that there could not be true despair without hope (seeing the daylight -- and freedom -- being only a climb away), and the point of keeping Bruce alive was so that he would be tortured by Gotham's fall and then death.
In fact, I never got the idea that Bane or Talia had actual beef with Gotham. It was all about Batman to them, destroying Gotham was just a bonus that aligned with Ra's goal.
Edit: shit, Dahbomb is beating the brakes off me
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Yes she is... as anal beads.
triplestation
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CATWOMAN: LOL THE WHOLES NO GUNS THING I DONT KNOW BOUT THATTTT
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ryutaro's mama
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The entire Al Ghul family got killed, indirectly by Bruce, while trying to get revenge on him.
Bad fucking luck.
Bad fucking luck.
I swear Nolan has a problem with killing off villains effectively. First with Two Face, now Bane. On both occasions I ended up thinking, "So... is he dead? Unconscious? Just very badly injured?"
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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To those having problems with Bruce's back, be glad it wasn't as magical as it was in the books.
Also, not Nolan's fault that his movies are PG-13 and he can't express well if character is dead or not.
Also, not Nolan's fault that his movies are PG-13 and he can't express well if character is dead or not.
FlashbladeGAF
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PG-13
How did Joker kill Michael Jai White? did he stab him in the mouth, slit his throat? ...stab him in the cheek?
triplestation
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That height should have provided enough adrenaline with at least some sort of assurance. Even with the rope there is great potential for concussion.
I would assume it also weighs him down. Ropes are heavy.
triplestation
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So that was her secret!
Hero_of_the_Day
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Big time.
Unless he edited his post, he didn't say it was a plot hole. He said it was a flaw.
Bruce fucks Ra's daughter, kills him, kills his daughter and destroys the LoS along with everything Ra's worked for.
I wish somehow Bruce was instrumental in killing his wife too just for "full circle of poetry" moment.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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It's all about them bars escaping the cave, showing Bruce who he is.
From deleted dialogue: Bruce looks down to chanters and say "What, are you dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the goddamn Batman!"
Discotheque
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I swear nobody can justify this, it's the worst plothole in the entire trilogy for me.
Judging by most of the nitpicking in here I'd say it's some peoples first movie.
FlashbladeGAF
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if she was pregnant with Damien then he killed Ra's Grand child too
Got back from my second viewing a few hours ago.
All three of these movies continue to get better and better with repeated viewings. Anyone who was iffy about it after the first viewing (I loved it, but was iffy about a few things before.) should definitely see it again.
Can't wait for this to be in my Ps3 later this year.
All three of these movies continue to get better and better with repeated viewings. Anyone who was iffy about it after the first viewing (I loved it, but was iffy about a few things before.) should definitely see it again.
Can't wait for this to be in my Ps3 later this year.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Nolan promised no Plot Holes! If I had to see Plot Holes, I'd watch Lost!!
I think Gordon said he never bothered enough to find out.
Didn't he say that right at the end? Basically if he wanted to he could have investigated.
Blake knowing is rare but he is drawing from experience. Its only Blake who figures it out in this manner and its because he has suffered very similar pain. Even then its only confirmed when Bruce doesn't say no.
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