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[Lonestar]

I understand that WB is busy with other things this weekend, but it's insane that the ending has been up on Youtube for 2 whole days, with no intent to even hide it with subversive titles. Nope, a video straight up called THE DARK KNIGHT RISES ENDING has been up for 48 hours :lol

Anyways, lets RISE together!

One thing I liked, was the Translator guy, that look on his face after Bruce makes the jump. It's the face of "holy shit...he did it....holy shit, I think I can get out of here." Love it.

 

[Sorcerer]

Because BLAKE is going to become Batman. Bruce is done.

Notice that Blake is set up as an orphan who grows up to personaly care about other orphans.

I can imagine his Batman would not be shy about recruiting others to help him out.

I kind of get the impression he would not be averse to having others out there like him around.

 

[Tookay]

I'm actually excited for the Blu-ray. I think once my disdain for the story directions taken at the end wears off and I cool down about that disappointment, my opinion of the movie can only go up. I have no idea how far it can go up, as there were plenty of things still that I disliked that won't just magically go away, but I can see my opinion improving overall as time passes.

I don't think I'll ever like it as much as the first two, but perhaps I can one day find a bit more peace in it. Also, with the Blu-ray I can throw some subtitles on and finally figure out what Bane was saying half the time.

Personally, I think a lot of my unease went away with a second viewing. The poor story directions and bad moments seemed to be less accentuated and the intended beats hit me more.

I do think a longer cut would benefit the movie tremendously though. For 2 hrs and 45 minutes, this movie still feels rushed and in need of time to breathe.

 

[ezekial45]

But it also continues the trend of filmmakers being too wimpy to kill of major characters.

It's not a trend, it just makes for a better ending for him to have lived. He was able to overcome being Batman and move on with his life. Him dying doesn't prove anything, to Alfred or to himself.

Why do you think it would've been better if he died? I mean really, Bruce wasn't supposed to be Jesus.

 

[Hydrogen Bluebird]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEk0xaG0T7o

I wanna play AC again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bREcn8PFYk

Shark repellent bat spray!

 

[zethren]

Also, something fucking terrifying happened at my movie theater.

The projector went out. Then somebody went and opened the Emergency Exit door and waved his hands. Everybody started freaking out.

Turns out, he was just calling in the manager of the movie theater.

You'd think they'd be able to handle that situation a little more tactfully.

I had to get out of my seat last night (my second viewing) to answer a phone call, so I walked out of the theater with my phone out and thought to myself "I hope I'm not scaring anyone...". Honestly it's a ridiculous thought, but after what happened it's totally possible that people seeing other people get up and leave the theater might make them a bit uneasy for a moment, simply instinctual recalling the Aurora incident.

 

[brandonh83]

You'd think they'd be able to handle that situation a little more tactfully.

I would have literally attempted an escape out of the theater, seriously. While watching the movie I always had that incident in the back of my mind. My eyes even, on occasion, veered over to the exit door. I was admittedly a bit unreasonably worried. Perhaps not unreasonably, but you know how the mind works.

 

[Plasmid]

HE DIDN'T HAVE A BROKEN BACK

I thought he did? Didn't they have to punch his vertebrae back into place?

 

[The Mana Legend]

It's not a trend, it just works better that he lived. He was able to overcome being Batman and move on with his life.

Why do you think it would've been better if he died? I mean really, Bruce wasn't supposed to be Jesus.

It would have been better because it ruins the entire ending. We all think he's dead. It is super dramatic.

But nope, he's alive. The end.

Now everytime I watch it, I'll hate the ending knowing full well that Christopher Nolan is just bullshitting everyone.

 

[Solo]

I love how Bruce throws the rope down, while Talia didn't.

poetry.

Talia is a straight up C-word, right Sculli?

 

[Vincent Alexander]

I thought he did? Didn't they have to punch his vertebrae back into place?

Broken. Out of place. Same difference.

 

[Solo]

I thought he did? Didn't they have to punch his vertebrae back into place?

I'm no doctor, but my impression is that Bane likely fractured a vertabrae or two rather than full on breaking them. If he had full on broken has back, Bruce would have been done.

 

[Messypandas]

No, unless getting a shotgun pulled to your face is part of the plan?

So you missed the part where Miranda betrayed him? He had over-powered Bane at that point.

 

[rollingstart]

I hated this line at first, until I realized he was just saying all of that to taunt her. "Sound a little too good to be true?" solidified that.

It still sounded cheesy, but him saying it to taunt her justifies it more than if he was just simply explaining the Clean Slate for the audience.

wait, people don't think that?

Nolan can be heavy handed with exposition (see: Inception) but that's super duper obvious.

It's only silly when Batman later has it, but it's also shown earlier that Bruce buys potentially harmful technology to keep others from exploiting them. That's the reason he stopped work on the fusion reactor.

And Batman's a jerk for thinking he's the one who decides whether or not people are ready for certain technology!

I love how Bruce throws the rope down, while Talia didn't.

poetry.

I was like, "uh, those are criminals you're letting escape." wtf Batman.

 

[Veelk]

I didn't say that either. Not knowing at the current point in time, while put on the spotlight, what I would have did instead doesn't mean that I know nothing about writing.

All I said was is that I'm not the writer on this film, and I haven't sat down to work out what I would have did differently. But do I have faith that the Nolans could have? Based on how supremely intelligent and gifted they have proven themselves to be in their past work, yes I do.

I'm thinking it over, and I cannot think of anything that could have substituted the nuclear bomb to properly accommodate Talia's plans. To get rid of the nuke, you'd have to rewrite Talia's entire scheme, which dips into rewriting her character to some extent, which means Bane has to be different as well. If you want to change it, you are going to be looking at a very different movie in general. The only way around it would be to release some other destructive agent, like a virus of some sort, which is the same thing as the nuke in functionality. There is no other way around it. You should not expect other people to find better solutions if you yourself can't find one, imo. There might not be a legitimatley better way to destroy Gotham than a Nuke, so how can you hold it against Nolan for going with the most practical route?

And once again: I thought it was dumb because the nuclear bomb was such an easy solution for everything-- a way to blow up Gotham, a way to establish intensity, a reason for the chase scene at the end, a way to make everyone think Bruce/Batman had died, a way to add an "epic" image to the climax with the mushroom cloud-- it was just a cheap and easy way to set up the finale. I find it overdone to the point where I wasn't engaged or pulled into the scenario.

There is nothing in the world that doesn't have it's time and place, and TDKR set up the nuclear bomb perfectly for what Talia's plans required. A plot device being used often doesn't make the plot device itself bad. Otherwise, how terrible BB must be to be telling the same origin story again, after it's been told a hundred times?

 

[Plasmid]

She should've stopped after telling him she liked his real name better and leave it to the people in the audience who aren't morons to make some guesses. This movie was terrible with beating you over the head with things anyone with a brain could've put together.



This one, I believe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN08gQWq3i4

The parts where it tends to lean off reminds me so much of the batman game on Sega Genesis / SNES

 

[brandonh83]

It would have been better because it ruins the entire ending. We all think he's dead. It is super dramatic.

But nope, he's alive. The end.

Now everytime I watch it, I'll hate the ending knowing full well that Christopher Nolan is just bullshitting everyone.

I think it was fine that he lived, but that deliberate shot of him complete with Zimmer's incredibly overbearing and corny music kicking in at the head nod was... not good. I felt like all the shots of the various characters finding those reasons to believe that Bruce wasn't dead, and then Alfred seeing something at the cafe more than sufficed.

Less is more, but Nolan apparently disagrees.

 

[Messypandas]

I thought he did? Didn't they have to punch his vertebrae back into place?

He had a slipped disc. The same thing that paralysed Bruce Lee

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I don't get why people are harping so much still on the broken back thing. Mike Tyson once broke his back in training and was able to fight like 2 weeks later. It's not really that unrealistic.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I don't get why people are harping so much still on the broken back thing. Mike Tyson once broke his back in training and was able to fight like 2 weeks later. It's not really that unrealistic.

people just think WAYYYY too much when they watch movies these days

 

[TheKaeptain]

Here is the thing guys. Batman died. That's it. Bruce killed him so he could move on with his life. So in a sense Nolan did in fact kill the Batman. It isn't a cop-out.

 

[Escape Goat]

Tony Stark can build a robotic suit in a cave.


Batman can heal broken back in a cave.


Caves are magical places.

 

[Wilbur]

I was fine with the ending except for the fact that his name was actually "Robin." Absolutely stupid. If she had just called him Mr. Grayson or something I would have been okay with it.

This is so silly. Why would he change his name from Dick Greyson to John Blake? Having his full name be Robin John Blake actually makes sense.

And he's not becoming Robin. It is implied he is becoming Batman, which is why the Robin name is just a fun little joke.

 

[Solo]

Here is the thing guys. Batman died. That's it. Bruce killed him so he could move on with his life. So in a sense Nolan did in fact kill the Batman. It isn't a cop-out.

Bruce is dead too. That blank slate program for Selina? Bruce got in on that too.

 

[Reiko]

Here is the thing guys. Batman died. That's it. Bruce killed him so he could move on with his life. So in a sense Nolan did in fact kill the Batman. It isn't a cop-out.

Batman has no limits. He can be whatever Gotham wants him to be.

 

[The Mana Legend]

I think it was fine that he lived, but that deliberate shot of him complete with Zimmer's incredibly overbearing and corny music kicking in at the head nod was... not good. I felt like all the shots of the various characters finding those reasons to believe that Bruce wasn't dead, and then Alfred seeing something at the cafe more than sufficed.

Less is more, but Nolan apparently disagrees.

See, this I wouldn't have minded. If they just kept it open-ended about whether or not he died, I would have enjoyed it a lot more.

 

[Tookay]

It would have been better because it ruins the entire ending. We all think he's dead. It is super dramatic.

But nope, he's alive. The end.

Now everytime I watch it, I'll hate the ending knowing full well that Christopher Nolan is just bullshitting everyone.

I don't want to say "you didn't get it" because it's usually the most dismissive way to treat an argument, but I kind of feel like you don't.

The story, as set up in Begins and even in Alfred's speeches here, was that Bruce wanted to throw himself into these situations, to die. Even though he was always looking for an "out," he needed Batman as a crutch to deal with his pain. He had postponed living his so-called life.

Him living isn't a cop-out. It's his character arc completing itself in a cohesive fashion.

It's messy, not perfect, but it's the least of my problems with the movie.

 

[TheKaeptain]

Bruce is dead too. That blank slate program for Selina? Bruce got in on that too.

Well yeah.

 

[Tobor]

Tony Stark can build a robotic suit in a cave.


Batman can heal broken back in a cave.


Caves are magical places.

Tony didn't even need to build the suit. He should have had the assistant guy punch him in the heart and tied a rope to the shrapnel. Problem solved.

 

[Messypandas]

Tony Stark can build a robotic suit in a cave.


Batman can heal broken back in a cave.


Caves are magical places.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtntTvuv8Aw

watch the tie

 

[brandonh83]

I'm thinking it over, and I cannot think of anything that could have substituted the nuclear bomb to properly accommodate Talia's plans. To get rid of the nuke, you'd have to rewrite Talia's entire scheme, which dips into rewriting her character to some extent, which means Bane has to be different as well. If you want to change it, you are going to be looking at a very different movie in general. The only way around it would be to release some other destructive agent, like a virus of some sort, which is the same thing as the nuke in functionality. There is no other way around it. You should not expect other people to find better solutions if you yourself can't find one, imo.

I completely disagree with that sentiment. Are you serious? I'm not exactly sitting here talking about how I think a scientist should be doing a better job at finding the cure for cancer. It's a movie. I recognize story decisions that are bad, to me, and I feel as if I have explained my stance well enough. Just because I can't sit here and come up with an alternative way that you would miraculously agree with doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on something like a simple matter of a fucking Batman movie.

We'll just have to settle it there. I already said that I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong, but rather trying to explain why I personally didn't like it. If you can't deal with that, sorry, but I have zero problems with you liking it and disagreeing with me.

 

[The Mana Legend]

Here is the thing guys. Batman died. That's it. Bruce killed him so he could move on with his life. So in a sense Nolan did in fact kill the Batman. It isn't a cop-out.

Have you missed the entire trilogy? Batman didn't die. Batman can't die. He is a symbol, not a man. Anyone can be Batman.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

I think it was fine that he lived, but that deliberate shot of him complete with Zimmer's incredibly overbearing and corny music kicking in at the head nod was... not good. I felt like all the shots of the various characters finding those reasons to believe that Bruce wasn't dead, and then Alfred seeing something at the cafe more than sufficed.

Less is more, but Nolan apparently disagrees.

Couldn't agree more. Even though I hated that ending at the cafe, I would've liked it much more if we only saw Alfred look up. Hold on him for a couple of seconds. Cut.

Also, I really need to buy the OST. Can't stop listening to this track:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQYFedk8EBQ

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Bruce is dead too. That blank slate program for Selina? Bruce got in on that too.

his new name? Patrick Bateman.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

I finally read Harry's review on AICN. Damn that guy needs to relax more than I do.
I can understand where he is coming from with some of his issues but being upset that Batman has hung his cowl up because of Rachael's death and Alfred allowing him to believe in their relationship is ridiculous to me.

 

[rollingstart]

Bruce is dead too. That blank slate program for Selina? Bruce got in on that too.

How else did he make all those people working on the Batcave disappear?

Some nights he'd get drunk and max out Earle's credit cards.

 

[ezekial45]

It would have been better because it ruins the entire ending. We all think he's dead. It is super dramatic.

But nope, he's alive. The end.

Now everytime I watch it, I'll hate the ending knowing full well that Christopher Nolan is just bullshitting everyone.

Again, what would have been the real point of him dying? Just to give more weight to Alfred's speech? Just to end it on a downer, and to make things more dramatic just for the sake of it?

Considering what he learned about fearing death in the prison, not being able to truly move on and accept his life - Bruce dying at the end would've been a severe contradiction of a major theme in the movie.

 

[DMczaf]

I was like, "uh, those are criminals you're letting escape." wtf Batman.

They paid their debt to society. Dent Act took away a criminal's right to parole, Batman gave it back to his Well Friends.


POETRY

 

[Reiko]

his new name? Patrick Bateman.

Bateman Begins

 

[Wilbur]

Oh god yes: "You have the clean slate program?" "You mean the program that you put your name and birthday into and it wipes you from all records?"

Also, the fact he explains exactly what it is serves a purpose, because directly after he says 'sounds too good to be true?' or something. So it's like he's saying LOL Selina you think something that did this actually exists? He was reminding her how stupid she was to fall for it.

But it did exist Daggett you HOLE

 

[The Mana Legend]

I don't want to say "you didn't get it" because it's usually the most dismissive way to treat an argument, but I kind of feel like you don't.

The story, as set up in Begins and even in Alfred's speeches here, was that Bruce wanted to throw himself into these situations, to die. Even though he was always looking for an "out," he needed Batman as a crutch to deal with his pain. He had postponed living his so-called life.

Him living isn't a cop-out. It's his character arc completing itself in a cohesive fashion.

It's messy, not perfect, but it's the least of my problems with the movie.

I understand why it was that way and I know fully well what it was meant to represent.

But had Nolan not done it in such a cheesy, manipulative way, or made it more open ended, I wouldn't have minded. At all.

 

[Solo]

his new name? Patrick Bateman.

Patrick's fractured psyche now makes sense....he's the goddamn Batman!

 

[Messypandas]

Couldn't agree more. Even though I hated that ending at the cafe, I would've liked it much more if we only saw Alfred look up. Hold on him for a couple of seconds. Cut.

You mean you wanted the Monsters Inc ending?

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I finally read Harry's review on AICN. Damn that guy needs to relax more than I do.
I can understand where he is coming from with some of his issues but being upset that Batman has hung his cowl up because of Rachael's death and Alfred allowing him to believe in their relationship is ridiculous to me.

people just think WAYYYY too much when they watch movies these days

.

 

[Jrmint]

But it also continues the trend of filmmakers being too wimpy to kill of major characters.

Wait.

I thought that was Alfred's imagination at the end and not Bruce actually there. That doesn't even make sense that he could live, no way to explain that?

Also anyone else in here live in Pittsburgh? Made the movie that much more awesome knowing all of the locations.

 

[Halcyon]

I think it was fine that he lived, but that deliberate shot of him complete with Zimmer's incredibly overbearing and corny music kicking in at the head nod was... not good. I felt like all the shots of the various characters finding those reasons to believe that Bruce wasn't dead, and then Alfred seeing something at the cafe more than sufficed.

Less is more, but Nolan apparently disagrees.

Its not like he hasn't gone the opposite way in his movies before.

 

[The Mana Legend]

Wait.

I thought that was Alfred's imagination at the end and not Bruce actually there. That doesn't even make sense that he could live, no way to explain that?

Also anyone else in here live in Pittsburgh? Made the movie that much more awesome knowing all of the locations.

Autopilot.

 

[Sorcerer]

his new name? Patrick Bateman.

Does the Patrick Bateman Batman listen to Huey Lewis or Phil Colins on the Batmobile car stereo?

 

[Reiko]

Wait.

I thought that was Alfred's imagination at the end and not Bruce actually there. That doesn't even make sense that he could live, no way to explain that?

Also anyone else in here live in Pittsburgh? Made the movie that much more awesome knowing all of the locations.

Alfred had a spinning top on the table during that scene.

 

[Messypandas]

I thought that was Alfred's imagination at the end and not Bruce actually there. That doesn't even make sense that he could live, no way to explain that?

He incepted it

the pearls are the totem