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Bruce set him up yo. Through various trusts and whatnot. It's all a bit complicated, but all you need to know is that *our* Batman's future is secure.
Did anyone else get the vibe that the pit/prison is reminiscent of the well that Bruce falls into as a child? The imagery is eerily similar.
Completely intentional. BB was Bruce falling down the well. TDK was Bruce wading through the darkness in it. TDKR was Bruce rising out of it.
Really?
I would say so, well, more on his past than Bruce's, the same for the Joker. In terms of character development, no, of course not, but certainly not with the Joker either.
Really? I thought it was such a Batman/Bruce personal movie. How he deals with what he sacrificed to protect the city & protect them from the truth about Harvey. How he should live or if he even should after what's happened. He's willing to put on that suit and go on a suicide mission because at that point he thinks it's really all he deserves or can contribute. It's about his slow crawl out of that dark terrible place and looking to the future and his legacy. It's why I love this one so much, it's centered around that Bruce/Batman struggle.
Makes sense since Bruce was in the suit the most in TDK.
Hell, there was no Bruce Wayne in the ending montage!
Having no money didn't kill him for 7 years in BB. Also, he's smart. No way he didn't have some hidden assets stored away.
Yeah I thought it brought it nicely back full circle.
I also feel like Joker dominates TDK far more than Bane dominates TDKR. Joker's actions in TDK drive basically everything that happens, from the smaller to the bigger plot threads, and while Bane obviously has impact, he's ultimately revealed to be secondary to Talia Al-Ghul and he generally isn't quite the focal point that the Joker is. Joker ends up having an effect that reverberates well into TDKR.
While it's not that clear from the film, it doesn't seem like he actually disappears after Dent dies, he disappears after his zero-point machine gets buried.
The second film does similar things with his willingness to do anything for his city. Even the first film does. To me, they're all Batman films. The Joker gets a bigger focus than Scarecrow just because there was more room to work with his character because they didn't have to dedicate as much time to introducing Nolan's Batman. Bane/Talia get lots of time in Rises, but they're still second billing.
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Other than BB being half and half, this is it.
Yeah, I did have a problem with this. Seemed like a pretty great prison as long as you don't have a vagina...or care about going out into the world ever again(though I still think there could be some ways they could escape other than what was shown).
I mean he was able to exercise without hassle, had his own cheerleading squad, and even a chiropractor. Not too bad considering.
You know, after the movie, I was questioning Bruce letting down the ropes there for the other guys to escape out of the pit into the world, but all of the prison inmates seemed like well-to-do chaps.
Well until we find out one of those prisoners was DeathStroke. Good job Bruce.
How? I did not think about Joker even once while watching this movie. Nothing in this reminded me of him.
Batman doesn't get into his suit until well into the movie - and had become a recluse for years - because he was physically and emotionally shattered as a result of what Joker ultimately caused to happen with Harvey Dent and Rachel. The city also turned on him because they didn't know the truth about Dent. All of that was Joker's doing. That's having quite the effect, I would say.
The Joker was able to get caught on purpose, sew a cell phone bomb into another inmate before they both got caught, break out of a conceivably heavily guarded cell (that only has one guard inside the cell for some inexplicable reason), set off the bomb which kills all the cops except for himself and Lao and then escape in a patrol car.
How are those events any more believable than a Rocky montage Bruce training session that heals a horrific injury faster than a normal human?
How are those events any more believable than a Rocky montage Bruce training session that heals a horrific injury faster than a normal human?
That's fair but I only thought of the events that brought Bruce to TDKR, I never actually thought about Joker as a character. He never entered my head.
That was his wish before Bruce came back. Him intentionally going there and nodding to Alfred is IMO even more emotional after what they went through. It's a thank you and a goodbye to Alfred.
Alfred already knew he was alive. They just crossed paths/met up there.
Which makes the scene of Alfred crying at the funeral right before that really stupid and meaningless.
Alfred gave up on Bruce. Fuck you, Nolan. Retconning piece of shit!
Didn't give up on him so much as he refused to watch him leap headfirst into death. At that point was was looking to die to end his pain.
But wasnt it made clear that Bruce became a recluse only when he was sure that he couldnt help Gotham by being Bruce and by providing that nuclear technology to the citizens of Gotham.
That makes sense, I guess Fox could have told him.
Yup. At that point Bane knew he was well and truly fucked. After all, Bruce, not Bane or Talia, was Rhas Al Ghul's finest student.
Yamato has already seen it three times.
Probably in his 40s. Bane talks down to Bruce as a "young man" and Nolan said that Bane was older than he looks.
The internal logic of this film is warped. In the previous two, you understood the motivations of the antagonists and their actions were appropriate to their cause. In DKR, people just seem to make it up as they go along.
There's alot more I can think of, but my main gripe is someone taking over a US city for 5 months, with a new fusion reactor bomb. The other Batman's universe were realistic, but this takes the piss.
- Ok, I've solved mankinds energy needs with a new fusion reactor. Wait, some Russian guy can weaponise it, similar to nuclear weapons. Shit, but wait, considering it nearly bankrupt Wayne corp and needed an outside investor, so is clearly a very expensive bit of kit out of reach of terrorists, I'll mothball it and become a recluse. It seems the board may have knowledge of this, but the outside investor knows nothing. Considering the amount of money spent on it, she resorts to trying to chat to Bruce at cocktail parties.
- Gotham is in a state of anarchy, yet after a month, everyone has gone back home and can get their wife to answer the door.
- Why would Bane keep Gotham for 5 months? Why would he take out the core for the 5 month countdown when he can detonate it at any time? The US military with their high level reconnaissance flights must realise that the three trucks driving around Gotham contain the bomb (I know, lead roof. But three identical vehicles guarded by tumblers, suspicious). Call in cruise missile strikes on all three. (Ok, maybe blowing it up might set off the A-bomb, but it's ok to leave in underwater in case of emergency)
- Why is the man in command of the bridge a lieutenant from the police. A high-ranking military officer surely would give the order to detonate the only last route into Gotham.
- If Bane is promoting total anarchy and the destruction of Gotham, why feed the cops. Let them die, it's not like he's a problem killing.
- The batcopter has been on the top of a building for 6 months and no-one noticed?
- What is the point of Daggett? I understand that they use Daggett's construction firm, but is it a vital plot point? A better story would be that Bane knows Batman's identify and seeks to crush both Bruce Wayne and Batman as revenge for killing Ra's al Ghul as opposed to Daggett; "I bought you here"
There's alot more I can think of, but my main gripe is someone taking over a US city for 5 months, with a new fusion reactor bomb. The other Batman's universe were realistic, but this takes the piss.
The failure of the project was the final nail in the coffin, but the preceding events had a drastic impact on his way of life. They weren't exactly subtle with the Rachel stuff. He became the disgraced hero in exile, both as Wayne and as Batman.
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It's true that it was a terrible injury, but I think Nolan still tried to play it with the realism a lil bit by having the doctor's visit thing that Bruce is in pain all the time practically, lol. Dude is just a bag of bones, but the WILL....is EVERYTHING.
Not necessarily, Alfred went to that cafe when Bruce was missing, presumed dead. Since there was no body, Alfred resorted to what he does before. And if he knew he was alive, why would he go to the cafe?
Bruce was there to let Alfred know he was alive and moving on.
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The project was a nice parallel to his Dent project as Batman. As soon as he found out the thing could possibly go nuclear, he shut it down and said fuck this shit, even if I try to push it any further, it's gonna go sideways.
And when he did push it, it did!
Seriously, I could honestly for for a Blake Batman movie now. He wouldn't be a physically imposing beast Batman like Bruce, but rather a more cerebral one that would use his detective skills over his fighting skills.
Hell, if we want to get real wild and bring Robin in, he's already there: the young kid from the boys home who Blake mentors.
Hell, if we want to get real wild and bring Robin in, he's already there: the young kid from the boys home who Blake mentors.
Batrobin vs The Riddler
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"is he coming back?"
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The Rachel sub-plot of each movie was my least favourite aspect, so to see them keep coming back to that well was what broke the movie for me the most, even if its sort of clumsily written that youre to assume the energy project is what finished Bruce off and not just the not-actually-his-girlfriend death. Nolan is just not good at romances, they all just occur with little or no organic interaction. The Talia thing alone was just... nonsense, and then the idea of Selina Kyle settling down with Bruce post-film is just...
Theres just too much in the film where my internal mental reaction was "nope". It played way too fast and loose with suspension of disbelief, trying to force me to care about JGL just didn't work, and I guess I just didn't buy Alfred not seeing the worth of Batman above all things after everything he said in TDK. I guess the heartfelt emotional story Nolan set out to use the Batman franchise to create just wasn't one I felt was a good fit.
Feel bad also that DC have to inevitably reboot this shit because no-one is going to turn up to ROBIN JOHN BLAKE IS BATMAN 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO (well of course Solo would say he would just above...). It just doesnt sit right with me that Nolan wanted to end on a note with someone else donning the cowl, but not actually wanting to touch the well of Grayson, Drake, et all and a "HIS REAL NAMES ROBIN" nod was deemed enough? Hell, a Terry McGinnis set up woulda been infinitely preferred to something that just comes off as fanfiction level stuff.
Theres just too much in the film where my internal mental reaction was "nope". It played way too fast and loose with suspension of disbelief, trying to force me to care about JGL just didn't work, and I guess I just didn't buy Alfred not seeing the worth of Batman above all things after everything he said in TDK. I guess the heartfelt emotional story Nolan set out to use the Batman franchise to create just wasn't one I felt was a good fit.
Feel bad also that DC have to inevitably reboot this shit because no-one is going to turn up to ROBIN JOHN BLAKE IS BATMAN 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO (well of course Solo would say he would just above...). It just doesnt sit right with me that Nolan wanted to end on a note with someone else donning the cowl, but not actually wanting to touch the well of Grayson, Drake, et all and a "HIS REAL NAMES ROBIN" nod was deemed enough? Hell, a Terry McGinnis set up woulda been infinitely preferred to something that just comes off as fanfiction level stuff.
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We need blue and grey Batman
We need blue and grey Batman
I'd like to think that Blake would have changed up the suit for his own style. Maybe he'd go with that.
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I hope the reboot goes with the basic comic costume design. A guy that wears a bullet proof vest under a gray compression shirt is not only more believable, but would also end up looking a whole lot better than the rubber look they've been going with since Batman 89.
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