The Dark Knight Rises |OT| The Legend Ends (Warning: Unmarked Spoilers Within)
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OrangeGrayBlue
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What scene(s) would you have removed?
SCULLIBUNDO
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I see just as many people liking TDKR as I do with BB. Quite a few people thought BB was meh especially when it first came out (yes I know.. heathens). TDK got almost universal praise when it first came out but after a while the backlash started for that movie and even now most people consider it a great but flawed movie. The backlash for TDKR started earlier but generally speaking it's praised about as much as the previous 2 movies.
There really isn't much of a metric to compare the 3 movies outside of BO, metacritic and RT... and in all 3 TDKR rests comfortably with the other 2. The ranking of the series is a matter of opinion at this point, all 3 movies do something that set themselves apart from the rest in terms of strengths and weaknesses.
Honestly to me the curse was broken with the Bourne trilogy and Toy Story, the movies were generally of comparable quality. TDK trilogy broke the curse in the super hero genre for me. Coming from X3 and SM3... TDKR is a god send.
There really isn't much of a metric to compare the 3 movies outside of BO, metacritic and RT... and in all 3 TDKR rests comfortably with the other 2. The ranking of the series is a matter of opinion at this point, all 3 movies do something that set themselves apart from the rest in terms of strengths and weaknesses.
Honestly to me the curse was broken with the Bourne trilogy and Toy Story, the movies were generally of comparable quality. TDK trilogy broke the curse in the super hero genre for me. Coming from X3 and SM3... TDKR is a god send.
The difference being that it can be near-unanimously agreed that Spider-Man 3, X-Men 3, etc are a big step down from the previous two, while that's clearly not the case with TDKR.
lul, you have the same opinion on it now than you had when you stepped out of the theater. What's changed?
My opinion won't change because I already know exactly how I feel about BB and TDK. TDKR is fresh in my mind but my overall opinion on it won't see any major shifts, nor should it. I put a lot of stock on the experience you have with a certain movie at the time you watched it.
Unanimous praise where? Rarely has a movie fallen as hard to the hype/backlash cycle as TDK, especially 'round these parts. And I would hope you aren't referring to the critical consensus, since that would just be inaccurate.
samus4ever
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Finally saw this earlier today and loved it. Catwoman was great, and I feel like Hathaway nailed the role. Bane was also awesome. I liked it a lot better than TDK and BB.
I keep forgetting which thread I'm in and worry that I'm gonna accidentally post something spoilery in the wrong one.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Well then I guess it's obvious that in your opinion the curse has been broken and that in my opinion is has not.
AdventureRacing
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The whole point is the curse doesn't come down to just one persons opinion.
BB has a 61 from top critics at Rotten Tomatoes, as well as a much much lower average rating.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Only a cynical man would call what these posters have 'opinions.'
Chun-Li On A Bike
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a little off topic but could a person with a little time create a topic about comics that need a movie or re release such as Spawn and other comics that maybe others forgotten about that would have a unique feel. As in "Warner could pull off spawn quite well"
Maybe a movie based on other characters that are only a part of a franchise like venom, gambit etc
Gambit if done right would be one of my top picks. Really like his powers, fighting and it would be a little more down to earth. So a good script is of course needed.
Maybe a movie based on other characters that are only a part of a franchise like venom, gambit etc
Gambit if done right would be one of my top picks. Really like his powers, fighting and it would be a little more down to earth. So a good script is of course needed.
Dreams-Visions
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Gambit is wack as hell. Hillbilly James Bond that charges objects.
Now a Cable+Forge+Bishop future story that in the end ties into the existing X-Men Universe (time travel)? I'd be down for that.
What about the opinion that there is no curse of any sort and that any form of artistic medium is just likely to get watered down if the same people work on the same sort of material over and over?
SCULLIBUNDO
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What about the opinion that there is no curse of any sort and that any form of artistic medium is just likely to get watered down if the same people work on the same sort of material over and over?
Likely yes, but EVERY SINGLE TIME it has happened. Nobody has proven the will strong enough to avoid the pitfalls. There is even an interview with Nolan from when TDK came out where he indicated he didn't want to make a third film because he was well aware of the curse.
He tried to test his metal against it, but lacked the will to do what was necessary.
Good Job Bob
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Iron Man 3 will subvert the 3rd movie curse completely and become the best movie in the franchise.
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SCULLIBUNDO
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It's already ineligible because IM2 sucked noodles compared to the first. Pay attention people!
vicissitudes
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I meant quality-wise. But if you consider ROTJ to suffer from the "curse" then we have very different qualifications for the term.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Are we talking about the same movie that neutered Han Solo? I mean, ignoring ewoks and shit, turning Han Solo into a blubbering baby is unforgivable.
vicissitudes
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Just came back from seeing it. Loved it, so much. By far my favorite of the series which is shocking to me because I was not excited to see this. Actually this was my least hyped Batman. I don't know why there were complaints about it dragging, thought it was nearly perfect. I did have some problems hearing Gordon and Bane at times though. Nolan still has problems with the actual dialogue mix.
Personal ranking: TDKR>Begins>TDK
Personal ranking: TDKR>Begins>TDK
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Only got to see it last night. Kinda weird for me to see it be peoples favourite out of the three, i think reflection months down the line will change that. BB and TDK feel very rewatchable, I don't find anything appealing to really rewatch here.
It was a good Nolan movie, but a terrible Batman one. Most positive surprise was that Hathaway absolutely killed it, performance of her career. The film as a JGL vehicle went too far though.
It was a good Nolan movie, but a terrible Batman one. Most positive surprise was that Hathaway absolutely killed it, performance of her career. The film as a JGL vehicle went too far though.
Chun-Li On A Bike
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Gambit is wack as hell. Hillbilly James Bond that charges objects.
Now a Cable+Forge+Bishop future story that in the end ties into the existing X-Men Universe (time travel)? I'd be down for that.
this makes me a little sad
Should be sentinels in x-men though
I was thinking of gambits coat, look.. the purple and the stick. All sounds good to me.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Pie and Beans, you may want to edit your post for possible spoilers.
Were you the guy snoring in my theater?
Jables Swan
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Anyone that doesn't agree with Scullibundo just doesn't "understand".
Love this gif. He does come off a bit like that just from reading these last few posts.
There are a ton of people here who prefer TDKR to TDK. Based on reactions at GAF alone it is at least 30% of those who have seen it who like TDKR more. There is no way you can say what you just did with a straight face, it is pretty far off from the reality of the reactions.
ROTJ is far far different. Look anywhere for the Nolan Batman series reviews. All three are very highly regarded. You're in the clear minority by saying "it isn't nearly of the same quality". Picking favorites, fine, but you're definitely different than "most" by saying it's leagues worse.
lol dunno, was it city walk? 9:40 show? Yeah, the person who I was with said I was snoring. Felt like a jerk, but christ. I couldn't stay awake. Wasn't even really exhausted.. I woke up my date. She originally fell asleep. Tried to just take off & take her home. She said no, Then i passed out.
sorry.
MidnightCowboy
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Fucking awesome movie, it might be my favorite.
What is great about this trilogy is how you see a near even three way split between which of the 3 is people's favorite. Very different than a lot of trilogies where many have the same ranking.
Haha. I was actually down in Marina Del Rey. Amazing that people can sleep during this movie.
I'd have to disagree. There is a definite downgrade between the first two and DKR. Judging from my friends (which are even bigger batman/nolan fans than myself) they all view the new movie as good but, without a doubt, inferior to the first two.
Solo sir, you are on the winning team of BB > TDKR > TDK right?
That's the right team.
Sculli, the thing is when talking about the third movie curse it's always going to come down to opinion but that isn't a reasonable picture to use as the third movie curse thingy. You either need to use critics reviews - in this case, TDK > TDKR > BB (which means its better regarded than the first, so it clearly has broken the third movie curse if that was regarded as great as well) or you use the public. And a lot of people here don't like it, a lot of people do. Some are saying its the best one, some second, some third. Some think BB is the best, some second, some third. Some are saying TDK is the best, some second, some third.
It's a polarising trilogy in picking which one is the best, so I would say that yes, it has broken the third movie curse. Not in your eyes, but there will be a hell of a lot of people who loved SM1, 2 and 3 and think the curse is broken, but critical and public consensus would tell them otherwise. Critical and public consensus this time tells them that the third film is just as good as the other two.
Sculli, the thing is when talking about the third movie curse it's always going to come down to opinion but that isn't a reasonable picture to use as the third movie curse thingy. You either need to use critics reviews - in this case, TDK > TDKR > BB (which means its better regarded than the first, so it clearly has broken the third movie curse if that was regarded as great as well) or you use the public. And a lot of people here don't like it, a lot of people do. Some are saying its the best one, some second, some third. Some think BB is the best, some second, some third. Some are saying TDK is the best, some second, some third.
It's a polarising trilogy in picking which one is the best, so I would say that yes, it has broken the third movie curse. Not in your eyes, but there will be a hell of a lot of people who loved SM1, 2 and 3 and think the curse is broken, but critical and public consensus would tell them otherwise. Critical and public consensus this time tells them that the third film is just as good as the other two.
SuperEpicMan
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I think this trilogy has become one of my favourites and will easily be considered this generations Star Wars trilogy, maybe even held in higher regard. The 3 movies as a whole have managed to tell the definitive story of Batman, whilst I can imagine another instalment being enjoyable, I can't say it would add anything or be necessary. The same applies for the reboot, until I saw Rises I was thinking a reboot might be fun and it would be good to see another interpretation, but upon leaving the cinema after seeing the trilogy complete, I honestly can't see what a reboot could achieve that the Nolan trilogy hasn't already done.
Diprosalic
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LoTR is this generations Star Wars.
SuperEpicMan
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I actually think Nolans films are more impressive than LoTR because of the way he managed to make the trilogy come full circle without having orchestrated it from the beginning.
They are two very different trilogies so I wouldn't want to say which one I prefer.
Diprosalic
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i wasn't really talking about quality but i don't think you can say that batman is this generations star wars.
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