I object more to the fact that his gun prohibition doesn't apply to the plethora of weapons on his vehicles.
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I object more to the fact that his gun prohibition doesn't apply to the plethora of weapons on his vehicles.
He didn't kill them. I guess that's the point.
The Elite
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I'm thinking a more immediate "Cash-in" on the success of this trilogy. I can see it happening without Nolan's consent.
I don't think Batman is against firepower.. in a more defensive capacities.. he just won't use it to kill someone.
Good points. I hope that it's not all for nothing, and Nolan actually continues producing stuff at Warner Brothers. I don't really see him directing another Batman movie, but it'll be nice if he produces it if they want to continue the universe with Blake. I think it would be a very interesting direction.
You'll learn. Maybe when you get the DVD and get to see it a few more times. I was ALMOST tricked into thinking it was a good movie by that amazing ending but I got over it. It seems many of you didn't.
I fell for it with The Dark Knight though. It took me a while to realize I was just kind of waiting for Joker scenes and the rest of the movie was mediocre as all hell. Same with Begins when I realized the movie just stopped being good at some point.
Prestige and Memento are his only great works.
Especially Prestige.
But ESPECIALLY Prestige.
Zoe
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I still think he used the auto-pilot on the Bat to pick him up.
For some reason this reminds me
That Harvey both died a hero... and lived long enough to see himself become the villain.
It won't happen. I don't even think he'll produce the next Batman, contrary to what WB was saying a year ago.
NullPointer
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He seems to be okay with producing Superman though, even though he has no interest in directing that either. His relationship with WB is really good, and they'll likely fund his future movies too.
Because that would be too easy.
Duckroll wants to humiliate him, torture his soul, then ban him.
... So basically Bane and Talia's plan.
Some thoughts on the movie:
First, let's get this straight: TDK > BB > DKR. Now that the premise is stablished, let me elaborate on that. This is a damn good summer blockbuster, no question. However, there's far less of a moral dilemma in this final chapter of the Batman saga. What elevated the other 2 previous movies from "good comic movies" to "great movies on their own" simply was absent on this one.
BB pondered about fear, about how it could be used to dominate others (Leage of the shadow's approach) or to liberate oneself (Batman's posture). TDK reflected about the idea of a world ruled by chaos (simbolized by the Joker) VS a world ruled by inner rules (ethics), present even in the absence of externally imposed law, defined by Batman's own code of honor. The Dark Knight Rises, however, was just a movie about a villain trying to blow up a city and a hero that had to stop him, and that's it. No moral dilema, no philosophies in conflict, Bane was an evil psycopath, Batman is a righteous hero, and that's the end of that, no shades of grey, greater theme or whatsoever. The talk about the movie being a metaphore for the OWS movement is ridiculous.
Yes, it is utterly entertaining, and despite of what many says, the script is ironclad. But I what I like abut Nolan movies is that it goes beyond that. The Dark Knight rises just... "stay there". Lot's of bombast and scale, but very little ambition behind it, other than closing character's arcs as if they were checkboxes. I enjoyed, but Nolan is cappable of much better, as he showed in the previous two movies. I came out a bit disappointed, to tell the truth, even if my inner batfanboy came out pretty satisfied.
First, let's get this straight: TDK > BB > DKR. Now that the premise is stablished, let me elaborate on that. This is a damn good summer blockbuster, no question. However, there's far less of a moral dilemma in this final chapter of the Batman saga. What elevated the other 2 previous movies from "good comic movies" to "great movies on their own" simply was absent on this one.
BB pondered about fear, about how it could be used to dominate others (Leage of the shadow's approach) or to liberate oneself (Batman's posture). TDK reflected about the idea of a world ruled by chaos (simbolized by the Joker) VS a world ruled by inner rules (ethics), present even in the absence of externally imposed law, defined by Batman's own code of honor. The Dark Knight Rises, however, was just a movie about a villain trying to blow up a city and a hero that had to stop him, and that's it. No moral dilema, no philosophies in conflict, Bane was an evil psycopath, Batman is a righteous hero, and that's the end of that, no shades of grey, greater theme or whatsoever. The talk about the movie being a metaphore for the OWS movement is ridiculous.
Yes, it is utterly entertaining, and despite of what many says, the script is ironclad. But I what I like abut Nolan movies is that it goes beyond that. The Dark Knight rises just... "stay there". Lot's of bombast and scale, but very little ambition behind it, other than closing character's arcs as if they were checkboxes. I enjoyed, but Nolan is cappable of much better, as he showed in the previous two movies. I came out a bit disappointed, to tell the truth, even if my inner batfanboy came out pretty satisfied.
Ninja Scooter
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I think Nolan came out and said he won't have anything to do with the next Batman movies. WB will likely wait 4-5 years (depending on how Superman does, and if it can carry them til them) and reboot it completely. I hope they don't get someone to try and carry on Nolan and copy his style. Bring a completely different vision into the fold.
It's true he's producing Superman, but I think something changed along the way in regards to Batman reboots. Nolan or his wife said something recently about how he's done with the franchise, even in a producing capacity, if I recall correctly.
Jibbajabbawockky
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Just saw it in IMAX and loved it. There is so much fanservice material in there that just had me grinning. All of the flashbacks to Begins, like Gordon putting the coat on young Bruce or Wayne's dad getting him out of the pit or Ra's al Ghul's cameo. Even just the way Miranda talks is very similar to how Ra's spoke.
Haven't read through the thread, but I'm sure its been said how the second act once Bruce is imprisoned does drag quite a bit. And once Bane takes over, the whole movie just seems to go into exposition mode and doesn't give Bane much to do. How he was eventually dealt with was really anticlimactic as well. Taken as a whole its sort of a frustrating movie since it has some of the very best moments and some of the worst in the whole series.
But again, so many little moments and shout outs to the comics were amazing: Dagget (why not just make his first name "Roland"?), Bane striking a pose and breaking Batman's back, Bruce putting on that crazy leg brace (shades of The Dark Knight Returns), the whole Gotham under siege bringing up shades of No Man's Land.
Crane as the judge of that court was amazing. Obviously they couldn't do anything about it and given Heath Ledger's death it wasn't expected, but the lack of even bringing up the Joker was pretty apparent. Nolan seemed to bring back or give a shout out to just about every other past character and yet the Joker (the guy who broke Dent, setting this all up) is never even mentioned? Even when Bane apparently frees the inmates of Arkham and Blackgate?
It just would have been absolutely amazing if Ledger was still around to have had him be the judge of the court.
The last 5 or 10 minutes are absolutely awesome though. You can't help but leave the theater with a smile on your face.
Haven't read through the thread, but I'm sure its been said how the second act once Bruce is imprisoned does drag quite a bit. And once Bane takes over, the whole movie just seems to go into exposition mode and doesn't give Bane much to do. How he was eventually dealt with was really anticlimactic as well. Taken as a whole its sort of a frustrating movie since it has some of the very best moments and some of the worst in the whole series.
But again, so many little moments and shout outs to the comics were amazing: Dagget (why not just make his first name "Roland"?), Bane striking a pose and breaking Batman's back, Bruce putting on that crazy leg brace (shades of The Dark Knight Returns), the whole Gotham under siege bringing up shades of No Man's Land.
Crane as the judge of that court was amazing. Obviously they couldn't do anything about it and given Heath Ledger's death it wasn't expected, but the lack of even bringing up the Joker was pretty apparent. Nolan seemed to bring back or give a shout out to just about every other past character and yet the Joker (the guy who broke Dent, setting this all up) is never even mentioned? Even when Bane apparently frees the inmates of Arkham and Blackgate?
It just would have been absolutely amazing if Ledger was still around to have had him be the judge of the court.
The last 5 or 10 minutes are absolutely awesome though. You can't help but leave the theater with a smile on your face.
Well, my primary concern is curiosity. Like, why would he even do something so dumb to begin with? He's not a junior or a new member. It's really weird!
I guess you're having hallucinations like Alfred at the end. I'm sorry
Wait I thought that was re... I'm not falling for that.
planar1280
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Can we all agree TDKR had Nolan's best female character among all his movies?
Wouldn't mind seeing a limited series for this.
While I agree that TDKR doesn't have as much to say as TDK on the social/political front, there still is an arc for Bruce in this movie. His wanting to die and being unafraid of death is a nice tie-in to Ra's completely fucking him up. He needed to have fear, to be afraid to die, so he could finally live. He needed to let go of Batman.
It's probably the best part of the film, though it could have been fleshed out even more I imagine.
My god what a condescending post.
Yes, we were all TRICKED into enjoying the movie. That's it.
I imagine The Joker will break out of Arkham when he can tell that it isn't the real Batman and kill Blake.
He praised The Prestige. That makes it a post worthy of praise. The rest of it doesn't even matter. THE PRESTIGE ROCKS!
No. Prestige had the best everything among all his movies.
Serious answer: No. I quite enjoyed Mal in Inception personally
More serious answer: No. Prestige had the best everything among all his movies.
And then Bruce returns!
I love Inception, but WHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA?
planar1280
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They did a great job of explaining why I never give much of a shit about plot holes and nitpicks. If the core story or themes are presented effectively, it never matters. At least not to me.
Good article and I agree with all points. Exerpts (unquoted so you can quote):
15 Things That Bothered Us About The Dark Knight Rises
1. When and how did Bane find out about Batmans identity and Applied Sciences?
...And even if thats how it went down, it doesnt explain how she or Bane knew about the existence of the Applied Sciences wing of Wayne Enterprises, that it was Batmans armory and its specific location in the building. Yet they do because Bane was building his hideout right below it. Even if the aforementioned identity leak was possible, Lucius Fox himself said Applied Sciences was completely off the books.
2. Blake Intuits That Bruce Wayne is Batman
WTF, dude? First of all, Im highly skeptical that anyone could see just by looking at Bruce Waynes face that he was Batman. ... Also, if Blake was able to put this together, wouldnt other Gothamites have started to put two and two together? As a separate issue, by the end of the film, practically all the main characters already know that Bruce Wayne is Batman. By the time Commissioner Gordon figures it out while Batman is taking off, I didnt think Wow, what a revelatory moment! Rather, I thought, Oh man, he is so late to the party on this one.
3. Bruce Wayne Is Down, Then Back Up, Then Down, Then Back Up
Wayne begins this movie with a significant limp, which is remedied with a pretty cool-looking electronic brace. We spend a lot of time watching him ramp up, and were thrilled to watch him finally kick ass again
only to see him get totally incapacitated by Bane about two thirds of the way through the film. ... We get to watch him recuperate again before finally facing Bane at the end (sans limp, btw, even without the brace). So, wait, WTF was the point of having Bruce Wayne go through that arc twice in one film? For a miniseries or a TV show it mightve been worked, but in the course of one film it just feels really drawn out and unnecessary.
4. Alfred Says Goodbye to Bruce
... Only it happens with such clunky, stilted dialogue and in such a poorly staged way (the hallway outside of the batcave? really?) that I literally cringed at how bad it was.
5. Why Wouldnt the SEC Just Overturn Banes Fraudulent Trades
I mean, its pretty clear that they were done under fraudulently, right? Else what the hell did they think Bane was doing there?
6. Christian Bale and Marion Cotillard Have Sex
On the one hand, yes these are two very attractive individuals. Why shouldnt they give in to their carnal desires? On the other, more reasonable hand, there is virtually no development in the relationship between these two. Theyre running in the rain, then they start making out, then in the next scene theyre naked. If only real-life romance worked like this
7. So Batman is a street artist now?
... Yet somehow, with this impossibly frightening ticking clock, he finds the time to use gasoline to make a huge Bat symbol on the top of a bridge with the knowledge Gordon will be there, pick up the flare, and light it up. Theatrically is part of Batmans persona, yes, but it seems like there might have been a better use of his time.
8. Bruce Wayne Forgets to Do Proper Background Checks
Speaking of which, if Anne Hathaways Selina is easily able to adopt fake identities and hack super encrypted passwords (like the one on Waynes expensive safe) why does she need the Clean Slate program so badly? I mean, its probably the worst MacGuffin in the Nolan Batman trilogy.
9. Why Does Bane Take a Break from His Master Plan to Ship Bruce Wayne Off to the Desert?
Would Bane really just hop a flight with Wayne at this crucial juncture in his grand master plan, just to make sure Bruce has a front row seat to the worlds destruction?
10. How Does Bruce Wayne Get Back to Gotham?
... The Bat is stuck on a roof of the building where Wayne left it, so he doesnt have access to his new flying machine. And speaking of which, somehow The Bat has not been discovered in the months Wayne has been exciled in the prison. Are we supposed to believe that no one checked up there during Banes occupation? Or maybe that the sheet of camouflage has kept the secrecy? And when Bruce Wayne gets back, how does he know exactly how much time is left on the bomb and where Selina Kyle will be?
11. Why Does a Prison Exist Where People Can Possibly Climb To Freedom, And By Doing So, Free All The Other Prisoners?
Seems like pretty poor design to me. Also, what the hell is the deal with this prison? Who runs it? Are there guards? Did Bane just put him in the prison without the warden and guards knowing? Do they just accept anyone who gets thrown into the pit? As with many elements of Nolans film, the prison is more of an idea than an actual place that makes sense.
12. The Post-Bane Gotham Feels Totally Fake
... But after that initial, effective sequence of watching rich people ripped out of their homes on 5th avenue, nothing about this Gotham feels real anymore. The streets are barren, but nearly pristine. We see only rare glimpses of the occasional Tumbler patrol. Emergency relief trucks pull up with ease. There seems to be no disorder on the streets, but hell breaks loose indoors on a regular basis. This never felt like a fully-realized place, only a series of gorgeous tableaus.
13. Are the Gotham City Police Department and CIA Really THAT Dumb?
Why would they send every member of the Gotham City Police Department, including the SWAT Team, into the sewers?
14. Most of the Hand-To-Hand Combat Is Terrible
Do you remember how in those old Asian martial arts movies, a group of baddies would attack the protagonist one at a time? Do you remember how unintentionally comical that looked? Thats how I feel whenever Batman fights anyone in this film (exception: his fights with Bane, which I thought were appropriately raw and intense). For the most part, all the bad guys have guns and none of them use them. Each one just waits there turn to get their ass-kicked by Batman. Now I know why Nolan shoots all the action up-close and nearly indecipherable: because if you had a wide angle shot, seeing armed thugs stand idly by would look absolutely ridiculous.
15. Multiple Ending Syndrome
At least at the end of Return of the King, each ending got room to breathe. Here, within the span of five minutes, were supposed to process the following: 1) Batman dies in a blaze of glory, 2) Bruce Wayne donates all of his remaining assets to the betterment of children, tying up Blakes storyline, 3) Bruce Wayne apparently figured out how to program the autopilot on The Bat? 4) Bruce Wayne survived the crash and is now enjoying a beautiful life in lord-knows-where with Selina Kyle, 5) Alfred is totally cool with all this, and does not lose his shit at all when he finds this out. 6) John Blake takes up the mantle as Batman, with no training, no resources or mentor. Also, no one notices that Bruce Wayne and Batman disappeared at the same time. WHAT?!
planar1280
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Precisely
I like this answer. He had 3 months after all! Clearly he had a plan after actually escaping, even though he had no idea where he actually was in the world! Goddamn Batman!
He coulda simply asked some of the inmates at some point during those 3 months? Or, when Alfred mentioned to him early on that Bane was from a prison in the carribean?
Rebecca Hall!
planar1280
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There is no train, only a van which fits 8 people
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Was anyone else really put off by the lack of blood? This movie was fucking GRIMM. I was feeling real about humanity for the majority of it, but right around when they straight up murdered like 100 cops in slow motion and there's barely even a bullet wound it kinda ruined my suspension of disbelief.
He didn't even ask what their damn chant meant until the third climb, months into his time there.
For the first time, I was bothered with it in a Nolan movie. If you're not going to do blood, at least do some explosives or dust squibs or something.
I honestly feel bad for anyone who would watch this or any other movie and care about these kind of things.
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