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People coming in here and proclaiming "should be 200" are either delusional or weren't even interested in the console in the first place and are just here to bash the thing imo.

Yes, its getting ridiculous - always the same people expecting Nintendo to price their new system lower than current MS/Sony systems.

Rayman Legends, NSMB U, Scribblenauts U, AC3, Pikmin 3, Zombie U, CoD Blops 2, Fifa 13, Lego City Undercover, Project P-100, Trine 2 DC etc. coming in the first months.

Teeeeeerrible lineup.

 

[Karsticles]

People coming in here and proclaiming "should be 200" are either delusional or weren't even interested in the console in the first place and are just here to bash the thing imo.

Anyone who "expects" $200 has proven him/herself deficient of the necessary intelligence to hold a conversation about the industry.

 

[AOC83]

Do you really believe that? You honestly think Nintendo had better have good luck in order to succeed with this console's launch?

I'm going to guess they'll do just fine. There's a lot of Nintendo fans out there, and there's also a lot of people ready for the next new thing. This is both.

To think that Nintendo will fail unless some lucky circumstance occurs seems to be ignoring their past history.

Yeah with this price and the poor launch lineup it´s pretty unlikely Nintendo´s going to be able to compete against. 360/PS3 this christmas. They also have nothing to offer that could create any kind of hype, be it for casuals or coregamers.

And Nintendo failed twice in a row before they got lucky with the WiiMote gimmick, so history suggests exactly what i am predicting.

 

[Portugeezer]

That's what I kind of expect, though considering the specs I can see a $249 launch which would be an amazing price.

 

[Triton55]

No one who thinks $300 is too much was realistically ever going to get the system at launch. It's always been pretty obvious that $300 is the lowest they would go, with the hardware being relatively more modern than the Wii was for 2006 plus the Game Pad. A $200 package would amount to an unholy amount of red ink.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

Yes, its getting ridiculous - always the same people expecting Nintendo to price their new system lower than current MS/Sony systems.

Rayman Legends, NSMB U, Scribblenauts U, AC3, Pikmin 3, Zombie U, CoD Blops 2, Fifa 13, Lego City Undercover, Project P-100, Trine 2 DC etc. coming in the first months.

Teeeeeerrible lineup.

Lineup is good. It's like people suppressed how current gen's launch lineup looked. And what are the big heavy hitters this holiday season WiiU will miss out on (Halo 4 excluded)? Serious question, I have a hard time here.

 

[TheChocolateWar]

Lineup is good. It's like people suppressed how current gen's launch lineup looked. And what are the big heavy hitters this holiday season WiiU will miss out on (Halo 4 excluded)? Serious question, I have a hard time here.

It depends on what kind of line up the person is looking for. There are not a whole lot of story-centric games in that list. Most of the games are generally 'play for the heck of it' type games. For someone interested in engrossing, story driven experiences the line up just isn't there for them. Granted, Nintendo really has never been known for this kind of thing. I would have bought the WiiU at 200 or 250 at the highest for Last Story, but with a 300 price tag I'll just bum a Wii from a friend and play it.

 

[miksar]

Why are you discussing $200 or $300 without mentioning a more reasonable price point ($250)? Nintendo is not in a position to dictate the price right now, $300 is too risky. 360 + Kinect will likely be $250 this holiday. I don't see Nintendo having much advantage even with a 2D-Mario game.

 

[Captain Smoker]

People shouldn't overrate PS360 at this point.

300$ sounds reasonable, I'm still asking myself if they're going to include Nintendo Land.

Anway, 300€ for europe.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

It depends on what kind of line up the person is looking for. There are not a whole lot of story-centric games in that list. Most of the games are generally 'play for the heck of it' type games. For someone interested in engrossing, story driven experiences the line up just isn't there for them. Granted, Nintendo really has never been known for this kind of thing. I would have bought the WiiU at 200 or 250 at the highest for Last Story, but with a 300 price tag I'll just bum a Wii from a friend and play it.

Please name 1-2 cinematic story centric PS360 launch games. Wii kinda had one with Zelda TP...

Edit: And if you want to play Last Story, get a used Wii for whatever it costs. Problem solved. 200 lol...

 

[Jarsonot]

Yeah with this price and the poor launch lineup it´s pretty unlikely Nintendo´s going to be able to compete against. 360/PS3 this christmas. They also have nothing to offer that could create any kind of hype, be it for casuals or coregamers.

And Nintendo failed twice in a row before they got lucky with the WiiMote gimmick, so history suggests exactly what i am predicting.

Huh. Well good for you, man. A lot of people wouldn't see that this clearly. Kind of feel bad for those kids getting one of these. Nothing for core OR casual doesn't bode well.

 

[Currygan]

That's what I kind of expect, though considering the specs I can see a $249 launch which would be an amazing price.

there's always room for price cuts down the road, expecially once the controller manufacturing costs go down and sales need it. Still (not aimed at you mate), expecting less than 300 for a new HD home console is absurdly ridiculous and very delusional. I wonder how those very individuals will react when the PS4/720 price will be announced

 

[Blasty]

Why are you discussing $200 or $300 without mentioning a more reasonable price point ($250)? Nintendo is not in a position to dictate the price right now, $300 is too risky. 360 + Kinect will likely be $250 this holiday. I don't see Nintendo having much advantage even with a 2D-Mario game.

I believe that $300 is a good price for what it offer. It all depends on how the masses feel about the gamepad and if they consider the Wii U 'the new thing.'

 

[TheChocolateWar]

Please name 1-2 cinematic story centric PS360 launch games. Wii kinda had one with Zelda TP...

It doesn't have to be cinematic to be story driven. Resistance, Genji, and Marvel have more story than anything coming from the WiiU line up on the PS3 side. At the same time, Condemned, PD0, Kameo and Gun were great on the 360.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Devs are whining for better hardware. I personally doubt the Wii-U is the jump they are looking for.

Anyway, i'm keeping my wallet closed until all the next-generation consoles are announced. I don't have the time nor the interest to buy all three consoles, so i'm making sure I don't get burned on the Wii-U.

I doubt it too but a new console is a new console Nintendo is gonna have fun this holiday. Developers are just the top of people complaining. Once a new console is launched its new tech regardless.

 

[miksar]

By the way, it'd be nice for Nintendo to include a digital download coupon ($10 or so) with each console if it is $300, showing their support for small developers. Or Nintendo Land, something should be packed-in to justify the price.

 

[Captain Smoker]

By the way, it'd be nice for Nintendo to include a digital download coupon ($10 or so) with each console if it is $300, showing their support for small developers. Or Nintendo Land, something should be packed-in to justify the price.

Why isn't the price justified?

 

[Boogybro]

Yeah with this price and the poor launch lineup it´s pretty unlikely Nintendo´s going to be able to compete against. 360/PS3 this christmas. They also have nothing to offer that could create any kind of hype, be it for casuals or coregamers.

And Nintendo failed twice in a row before they got lucky with the WiiMote gimmick, so history suggests exactly what i am predicting.

In what universe does Nintendo need luck launch with a NSMB game, a long awaited Pikmin game, a highly anticipated Zombi U game, plus multiplatform support?

 

[jerd]

It doesn't have to be cinematic to be story driven. Resistance, Genji, and Marvel have more story than anything coming from the WiiU line up on the PS3 side. At the same time, Condemned, PD0, Kameo and Gun were great on the 360.

More story =/= Story driven. There is a Hip Hop Gamer interview with a Ubisoft rep that is talking about multiple story arcs and multiple endings for ZombiU, but that is far from a story driven game.

 

[jerd]

Yeah with this price and the poor launch lineup it´s pretty unlikely Nintendo´s going to be able to compete against. 360/PS3 this christmas. They also have nothing to offer that could create any kind of hype, be it for casuals or coregamers.

And Nintendo failed twice in a row before they got lucky with the WiiMote gimmick, so history suggests exactly what i am predicting.

I figured after getting off of this thread for a few hours, we'd be past this point by now (unless this post is sarcastic, then carry on)

 

[zroid]

In what universe does Nintendo need luck launch with a NSMB game, a long awaited Pikmin game, a highly anticipated Zombi U game, plus multiplatform support?

I feel like ITT are a lot of people projecting their own apathy for the NSMB games on the market at-large. Maybe when NSMB2 strikes gold it'll remind them what a powerhouse it is?

 

[TheChocolateWar]

More story =/= Story driven. There is a Hip Hop Gamer interview with a Ubisoft rep that is talking about multiple story arcs and multiple endings for ZombiU, but that is far from a story driven game.

Without getting into semantics, I was using the terminology story driven to refer to games which actually had story. Unlike most of the stuff that is coming out for the launch of the WiiU. Sure, ZombiU is going to have some story, but the games I listed clearly place the 360 and PS3 as having more story based games than the WiiU at launch. For someone interested in games with lots of story, the WiiU doesn't cut it That is not to say that the launch line up won't appeal to anyone. It can appeal to people primarily interested in pick up and play titles. But I don't like those types of games anymore. I want to be told a story. Nintendo just isn't doing that with this launch line up.

 

[H_Prestige]

Huge blunder if true. This is going to be going up against $179 ps3 and $199 360, both with a fuckload more games.

 

[zroid]

Without getting into semantics, I was using the terminology story driven to refer to games which actually had story. Unlike most of the stuff that is coming out for the launch of the WiiU. Sure, ZombiU is going to have some story, but the games I listed clearly place the 360 and PS3 as having more story based games than the WiiU at launch. For someone interested in games with lots of story, the WiiU doesn't cut it That is not to say that the launch line up won't appeal to anyone. It can appeal to people primarily interested in pick up and play titles. But I don't like those types of games anymore. I want to be told a story. Nintendo just isn't doing that with this launch line up.

Well, it does have those games. They're just multiplatform.

Huge blunder if true. This is going to be going up against $179 ps3 and $199 360, both with a fuckload more games.

You can't honestly argue that a new console price of $300 in 2012 is a "blunder". The only argument here is that Wii U itself is a blunder. It was never going to cost less than $250, and that's at bare minimum, Nintendo might not even be breaking even.

 

[jerd]

Without getting into semantics, I was using the terminology story driven to refer to games which actually had story. Unlike most of the stuff that is coming out for the launch of the WiiU. Sure, ZombiU is going to have some story, but the games I listed clearly place the 360 and PS3 as having more story based games than the WiiU at launch. For someone interested in games with lots of story, the WiiU doesn't cut it That is not to say that the launch line up won't appeal to anyone. It can appeal to people primarily interested in pick up and play titles. But I don't like those types of games anymore. I want to be told a story. Nintendo just isn't doing that with this launch line up.

I see what you mean. I guess that's pretty much Nintendo in general though when thinking about their first-party offerings. Definitely not much for big time cinematics.


Edit: But you never know, Jett Tailfin could be a cinematic masterpiece.

Spoiler

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[Portugeezer]

there's always room for price cuts down the road, expecially once the controller manufacturing costs go down and sales need it. Still (not aimed at you mate), expecting less than 300 for a new HD home console is absurdly ridiculous and very delusional. I wonder how those very individuals will react when the PS4/720 price will be announced

"HD" don't mean shit, all about specs.

$250 is not far-fetched considering the rumoured specs and having seen some of the games, we know 360 for e.g. is now over priced.

The way I see it:

• Wii was barely better than last gen, new controller, etc = $250
• Wii U barely better than last gen (current for now), new controller, etc = $250, why not?

I expect $300, but $250 doesn't seem impossible.

 

[Captain Smoker]

Huge blunder if true. This is going to be going up against $179 ps3 and $199 360, both with a fuckload more games.

PS360 reached the peak of their lifecycle, pricedrops will only flatten the falling curve.

 

[H_Prestige]

PS360 reached the peak of their lifecycle, pricedrops will only flatten the falling curve.

Doesn't matter if you think they've peaked, plenty of people are still buying them, people that could have been wii u buyers instead.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

Yeah with this price and the poor launch lineup it´s pretty unlikely Nintendo´s going to be able to compete against. 360/PS3 this christmas. They also have nothing to offer that could create any kind of hype, be it for casuals or coregamers.

And Nintendo failed twice in a row before they got lucky with the WiiMote gimmick, so history suggests exactly what i am predicting.

What am I reading? I shouldn't enter these kind of threads.

 

[Blasty]

Yeah with this price and the poor launch lineup it´s pretty unlikely Nintendo´s going to be able to compete against. 360/PS3 this christmas. They also have nothing to offer that could create any kind of hype, be it for casuals or coregamers.

And Nintendo failed twice in a row before they got lucky with the WiiMote gimmick, so history suggests exactly what i am predicting.

May I ask what you consider a good or even a decent launch lineup?

 

[H_Prestige]

What am I reading? I shouldn't enter these kind of threads.

He's right. Both n64 and GC got manhandled. And the 3ds was selling like shit until a massive price drop. And it's still not doing that great.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

In what universe does Nintendo need luck launch with a NSMB game, a long awaited Pikmin game, a highly anticipated Zombi U game, plus multiplatform support?

"highly anticipated ZombiU"? The game looks good and I'll most likely be there day one barring terrible reviews (sub 7) but I'd hardly consider it highly anticipated. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it bombed sales-wise. Pikmin isn't a launch title, either. I also doubt that's a huge seller.

 

[Captain Smoker]

Doesn't matter if you think they've peaked, plenty of people are still buying them, people that could have been wii u buyers instead.

I don't think they peaked, they peaked. 360 had the lowest shipment for the first two quarters since 2007.

That said, competition from older systems at a console launch is nothing new.

"highly anticipated ZombiU"? The game looks good and I'll most likely be there day one barring terrible reviews (sub 7) but I'd hardly consider it highly anticipated. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it bombed sales-wise. Pikmin isn't a launch title, either. I also doubt that's a huge seller.

Almost every preview is positive until now.

 

[Boogybro]

I feel like ITT are a lot of people projecting their own apathy for the NSMB games on the market at-large. Maybe when NSMB2 strikes gold it'll remind them what a powerhouse it is?

I mean I'm not even a huge fan of it, I much prefer the Galaxy and 64 style Mario games. But they've been selling 20+ million copies each. Where on Earth does luck come into the equation launching with that game alone? Not even to mention BLOPS 2 coming as well.

Edit:

"highly anticipated ZombiU"? The game looks good and I'll most likely be there day one barring terrible reviews (sub 7) but I'd hardly consider it highly anticipated. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it bombed sales-wise. Pikmin isn't a launch title, either. I also doubt that's a huge seller.

I would say so yeah. Usually when I've heard about people looking to get Wii U at launch, the vast majority do mention picking up Zombi U with it.

 

[AOC83]

May I ask what you consider a good or even a decent launch lineup?

360 was good.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Yeah with this price and the poor launch lineup it´s pretty unlikely Nintendo´s going to be able to compete against. 360/PS3 this christmas. They also have nothing to offer that could create any kind of hype, be it for casuals or coregamers.

And Nintendo failed twice in a row before they got lucky with the WiiMote gimmick, so history suggests exactly what i am predicting.

Now that sounds like a youtube.com comment.

360 was good.

No 360 was fair.

 

[Blasty]

360 was good.

To each his own.

 

[Ushojax]

I figured after getting off of this thread for a few hours, we'd be past this point by now (unless this post is sarcastic, then carry on)

Apparently people have forgotten the days of Mario Advance, Perfect Dark Zero and Fantavision. The Wii U launch line up is indisputably in the top tier of launch line ups, there is high quality software from third and first parties. There is some shit but there always is. If people were happy with the 360 and PS3 launches then they should be more than satisfied with the WiiU one.

 

[AOC83]

In what universe does Nintendo need luck launch with a NSMB game, a long awaited Pikmin game, a highly anticipated Zombi U game, plus multiplatform support?

Lol, by a few Nintendo fans maybe, if that game was multiplat nobody´d give a fuck.

The other games won´t pull many buyers either, just nothing special, the price is going to do the rest.

 

[zroid]

"highly anticipated ZombiU"? The game looks good and I'll most likely be there day one barring terrible reviews (sub 7) but I'd hardly consider it highly anticipated. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it bombed sales-wise. Pikmin isn't a launch title, either. I also doubt that's a huge seller.

No, Pikmin won't be a big seller. I expect it will please a lot of "core" gamers, though. Clearly NSMB U and Nintendo Land are intended to be Wii U's wide-audience sales aces. I have no doubt NSMB will sell systems, but I'm not convinced about Nintendo Land quite yet. Wii Sports it is not, for better and for worse.

 

[Boogybro]

360 was good.

I picked it up at launch with Perfect Dark and King Kong. That blows this line up away.

 

[MadeInBeats]

WOW, that's great news for the sort of power and hardware it's packin'.. Amazing - not sure how they've managed it; must be a GameCube scenario where they break even for the first few months. Great news.

 

[Gannd]

Wait, people now say the Xbox 360 had a good launch lineup? The lineup wasn't good to me. A lot of PS2 upres ports.

 

[Shiggy]

No, Pikmin won't be a big seller. I expect it will please a lot of "core" gamers, though. Clearly NSMB U and Nintendo Land are intended to be Wii U's wide-audience sales aces. I have no doubt NSMB will sell systems, but I'm not convinced about Nintendo Land quite yet. Wii Sports it is not, for better and for worse.

It will be interesting to see how Wii Fit U will fare. The endless stream of fitness title release hasn't ended quite yet, has it? So there should still be some market for it.

 

[Ushojax]

I picked it up at launch with Perfect Dark and King Kong. That blows this line up away.

If you enjoyed those two lumps of shit then surely you can find something to enjoy on the WiiU.

 

[Hoo-doo]

WOW, that's great news for the sort of power and hardware it's packin'.. Amazing - not sure how they've managed it; must be a GameCube scenario where they break even for the first few months. Great news.

What are you basing this on?

 

[TunaLover]

That's about $600 for Latin America ;___;

 

[Captain Smoker]

It will be interesting to see how Wii Fit U will fare. The endless stream of fitness title release hasn't ended quite yet, has it? So there should still be some market for it.

I guess it could go the "Nintendogs + Cats" - way, selling some million units under the radar.

 

[axisofweevils]

What people have to consider is that Nintendo are pricing the latest version of their handheld - the 3DS XL - at $199.99.

There's absolutely no way their main console would retail for the same price...

 

[Boogybro]

If you enjoyed those two lumps of shit then surely you can find something to enjoy on the WiiU.

Was being sarcastic, but I will say PDZ was a guilty pleasure of mine.