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[EightBitNate]

Almost all android icons are square. This isn't atypical.

What? A lot of Android icons aren't square. All of Samsung's were square. And nice edit, btw. realize your argument didn't make sense and revised it?
The first example you posted isn't the same at, and you know it.
LG has also been pretty infamous for copying Apple, so don't know what you're saying with the LG phone.

Green has been the general calling color since at least the 1990s. The camera icons are different. The only icon similar to the photos icon for the Galaxy S is the gallery icon. The contact icon is an address book with an anonymous profile which makes it easy to identify. You'll also see plenty of icon suites include one just like the iPhone (in fact even more direct replicas) being sold for use in websites.

Yes, green and phones are standard, but when they're tilted at the same exact angle on a green square people do a double take. The contact icon uses the same silhouette on a book with bindings.
I don't know what an icon suite is, but if it's just independently developed icon set, how can you even compare them to a big company like Samsung?

The cables are shaped like PDMI cables.

And what about the wall chargers?

Google's also developing Assistant(which will make S-Voice redundant). Querying multiple engines has been used by search engines for years. Adding voice on top of it doesn't make it a patent-able invention.

Google Now is distinguishable from Siri. They look completely different. S-Voice mimics Siri blatantly.

 

[mugurumakensei]

Google Now is distinguishable from Siri. They look completely different. S-Voice mimics Siri blatantly.

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow...4-1-eng-US/0808-AVOiCECOMPARISON_full_600.jpg

What?

The microphone container is a 3-dimensional oblong oval for S-Voice. Apple's has a silver gradient with Purple mic. There are two helper icons on the Samsung S-Voice. The background is black with a grey stitching on S-Voice. It immediately pops out as different.

 

[AndyD]

I like Groklaw's latest article about the icons on the phones out of the box. The whole evidence/tampering fiasco the other day seems to be possibly explained by the carrier customization freedoms in the US. Sounds plausible.

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120808104757643

 

[numble]

I haven't listened to it, but here are 2-3 lawyers from The Verge discussing the case:
http://vrge.co/QQJOzl

 

[MercuryLS]

This document was submitted as evidence:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/102317767/Samsung-Relative-Evaluation-Report-on-S1-iPhone

I mean, how could they not lose the case? Every recommendation in that presentation is to basically make their phone UI as close to the iPhone as possible.

 

[sableholic]

This document was submitted as evidence:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/102317767/Samsung-Relative-Evaluation-Report-on-S1-iPhone

I mean, how could they not lose the case? Every recommendation in that presentation is to basically make their phone UI as close to the iPhone as possible.

read this article: http://www.datamation.com/mobile-wi...n-evidence-doesnt-prove-samsung-copied-1.html

also that verge video makes it seem like apples losing atm by the way

 

[gcubed]

This document was submitted as evidence:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/102317767/Samsung-Relative-Evaluation-Report-on-S1-iPhone

I mean, how could they not lose the case? Every recommendation in that presentation is to basically make their phone UI as close to the iPhone as possible.

holy shit! never saw that document before!

 

[SRG01]

Like others have already said, internal review documents aren't necessarily a sign of infringement. Product comparisons between competitors is normal. In fact, I would be more suspicious if these documents weren't produced (read: destroyed).

 

[numble]

Exact US sales figures revealed:

Documents filed by Samsung lawyers on Thursday reveal that, from June 2010 through June 2012, Samsung sold 21.25 million phones, generating $7.5 billion in revenue. On the tablet side, the company sold 1.4 million Galaxy Tab and Galaxy Tab 10.1 devices, producing $644 million in revenue.

In terms of individual phone models, the largest in units were the Galaxy Prevail with 2.25 million phones sold, the Epic 4G with 1.89 million phones sold and the Epic 4G Touch variant of the Galaxy S II, which sold 1.67 million units in the U.S. All told, Samsung sold 4.1 million Galaxy S II devices, when all models are included.

On the dollar side, the Epic 4G was the biggest revenue producer, generating 855 million between the third quarter of 2010 and the second quarter of 2012.

...

From 2007 through the second quarter of 2012, Apple sold a total of 85 million iPhones in the U.S., worth a total of $50 billion in revenue, along with 46 million iPod touches producing roughly $10.3 billion in revenue. From its 2010 launch, Apple sold 34 million iPads, generating $19 billion in revenue.

http://allthingsd.com/20120809/apple-vs-samsung-trial-forces-companies-to-open-up-the-books/

 

[maharg]

Exact US sales figures revealed:

http://allthingsd.com/20120809/apple-vs-samsung-trial-forces-companies-to-open-up-the-books/

Boy, Samsung sure did a lot of damage to Apple, eh?

 

[Zombie James]

I found this slide to be ridiculous:

So lining up icons in a row instead of all over the place, using different icons to represent different actions, having icons on the bottom of the screen, rounding your rectangles, and using more than one colour is infringing now? Someone stop the crazy.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

So lining up icons in a row instead of all over the place, using different icons to represent different actions, having icons on the bottom of the screen, rounding your rectangles, and using more than one colour is infringing now? Someone stop the crazy.

Microsoft avoided every single thing you listed there.

 

[Zombie James]

Microsoft avoided every single thing you listed there.

They did, Metro works really well on mobile. Hope they patented rectangles.

 

[maharg]

Microsoft avoided every single thing you listed there.

Which doesn't mean a) that apple invented any of those things or b) that not avoiding them is committing a crime.

 

[rozay]

I'd like to know what Samsung's design decision was for making the dock background grey on the app drawer for the GS1's stock launcher (pictured above).

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Which doesn't mean a) that apple invented any of those things or b) that not avoiding them is committing a crime.

I'm not saying this means anything regarding the allegations against Samsung. However I feel like a lot of people see things like this and go "what, like there's any other way?" Yeah, Microsoft did it. They avoided all of the things and made a really hot looking operating system.

 

[rozay]

what the fuck, dp

 

[maharg]

I'm not saying this means anything regarding the allegations against Samsung. However I feel like a lot of people see things like this and go "what, like there's any other way?" Yeah, Microsoft did it. They avoided all of the things and made a really hot looking operating system.

No one's saying "there is no other way." At least no one with any sense. Saying it's obvious and not unique is not the same as saying it's the only way.

My door is a rectangle. Yours probably is too. It could be a circle. But it's probably not.

Also, maybe MS was just bored of doing colourful icon grids from doing it for the last 20 years.

 

[Loofy]

Microsoft avoided every single thing you listed there.

No they didnt. I notice rounded edges, bottom icons, a grid design, colorful icons, AND different icons on Windows 7..

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

No they didnt. I notice rounded edges, bottom icons, a grid design, colorful icons, AND different icons on Windows 7.

Mobile.

 

[Loofy]

Mobile.

That supposed to make a difference? Samsung copied MS, not Apple. But I guess MS never patented a taskbar, shapes, and icons.

 

[Vyer]

That supposed to make a difference?.

No. This trial, the Galaxy S, the iPhone, this thread and all the discussion in it have nothing to do with mobile at all.

 

[Loofy]

No. This trial, the Galaxy S, the iPhone, this thread and all the discussion in it have nothing to do with mobile at all.

Kinda like how I can steal the nike logo and put it on computers cause it has nothing to do with shoes.
No, it doesnt make a difference. Especially since the line between smartphones and PCs is so minuscule now.

 

[Zombie James]

Mobile.

Now that you put them side-by-side... all Microsoft did was take something Apple invented and made them larger and un-rounded. The icons are even in a grid!

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Kinda like how I can steal the nike logo and put it on computers cause it has nothing to do with shoes.
No, it doesnt make a difference. Especially since the line between smartphones and PCs is so minuscule now.

I can't follow this dude's genius.

 

[Vyer]

Kinda like how I can steal the nike logo and put it on computers cause it has nothing to do with shoes.
No, it doesnt make a difference. Especially since the line between smartphones and PCs is so minuscule now.

uh huh

 

[Loofy]

I can't follow this dude's genius.

No you cant obviously.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

Boy, Samsung sure did a lot of damage to Apple, eh?

Are you for real?

 

[r1chard]

Are you for real?

Clearly Samsung is devastating Apple's iPad revenue.

 

[maharg]

Are you for real?

I am, and I call out patent trolling wherever it may lay. This shit is a cancer on our industry.

 

[Cheebo]

Exact US sales figures revealed:

http://allthingsd.com/20120809/apple-vs-samsung-trial-forces-companies-to-open-up-the-books/

Wow. Apple literally dominates Samsung in smartphone sales in America, it isn't even close.

Interesting how that isn't the case worldwide. So iOS dominates Android in America it looks like.

I'm not saying this means anything regarding the allegations against Samsung. However I feel like a lot of people see things like this and go "what, like there's any other way?" Yeah, Microsoft did it. They avoided all of the things and made a really hot looking operating system.

And not to mention Apple has called out Windows Phone and the Lumia by name in this case to call it an example of how to make a mobile smartphone OS and hardware that is unique and doesn't copy Apple in any way.

 

[iapetus]

My door is a rectangle. Yours probably is too. It could be a circle. But it's probably not.

 

[Xun]

That supposed to make a difference? Samsung copied MS, not Apple. But I guess MS never patented a taskbar, shapes, and icons.

Wait, what?

 

[blahblah...blah]

Can we stop referring to tech journalists as an arbiter of who's 'winning', whether certain arguments will hold up in court, etc.? Read legal and financial publications if you want a good insight into this - plenty of them are covering it in-depth.

 

[PSGames]

No one's saying "there is no other way." At least no one with any sense. Saying it's obvious and not unique is not the same as saying it's the only way.

My door is a rectangle. Yours probably is too. It could be a circle. But it's probably not.

Also, maybe MS was just bored of doing colourful icon grids from doing it for the last 20 years.

Unlike a door the things at issue here aren't necessities for a smartphone. You can have icons that aren't rounded rectangles. Stock Android for instance does not infringe. Windows Phone does not infringe. Why did Samsung feel the need to so blatantly copy Apple? Having worked in retail at the time I can tell you all of my employees were shocked with the extent that TouchWhiz copied iOS. Such blatant copying should have consequences.

 

[Blackhead]

Wow. Apple literally dominates Samsung in smartphone sales in America, it isn't even close.

Interesting how that isn't the case worldwide. So iOS dominates Android in America it looks like.

Sometimes you just make the weirdest leaps of logic. You know Android isn't just up made up of Samsung, especially in the America where Motorola is strong with the Droid series on Verizon and HTC is strong with Evo Series on Sprint.

 

[Angst]

I found this slide to be ridiculous:

So lining up icons in a row instead of all over the place, using different icons to represent different actions, having icons on the bottom of the screen, rounding your rectangles, and using more than one colour is infringing now? Someone stop the crazy.

Unlike a door the things at issue here aren't necessities for a smartphone. You can have icons that aren't rounded rectangles. Stock Android for instance does not infringe. Windows Phone does not infringe. Why did Samsung feel the need to so blatantly copy Apple? Having worked in retail at the time I can tell you all of my employees were shocked with the extent that TouchWhiz copied iOS. Such blatant copying should have consequences.

As Zombie James said, this is ridiculous. "Colourful Icons", "Mix of Icon Styles" - it could be said of almost any OS that they have colourful icons and uses a mix of icon styles.

 

[iapetus]

Can we stop referring to tech journalists as an arbiter of who's 'winning', whether certain arguments will hold up in court, etc.? Read legal and financial publications if you want a good insight into this - plenty of them are covering it in-depth.

Can we also get the same sort of disclosure required in this case as in the Google/Oracle one?

 

[numble]

The trial is on again, but Howard Mintz bailed and his replacement liveblogger sucks. He updates only every ~10-15 minutes.
http://www.siliconvalley.com/ci_21275393/live-blog-apple-samsung-patent-trial-8-30

 

[Zeppu]

So, realistically, how long will this trial take?

 

[massoluk]

I guess I was the only one that thought ios kinda resemble Wii GUI that came before it.

 

[numble]

So, realistically, how long will this trial take?

Apple says they'll finish their Apple v. Samsung arguments on Monday or Tuesday, then Samsung calls up their experts and witnesses for defense, then Samsung v. Apple will start up and do the same thing in reverse (Samsung present evidence/witnesses arguing how Apple violated their patents, Apple defends).

Each side is only allowed a total of 25 hours in front of the jurors (so 50 total). I don't know if it's 25 hours per case, or 25 hours total.

 

[Cheebo]

I guess I was the only one that thought ios kinda resemble Wii GUI that came before it.

Wii/DS era Nintendo was aping a lot of Mac design and Mac UI (lots of Apple comparisons when the DS Lite came out). That is probably where you are getting the mixup.

 

[Zeppu]

Apple says they'll finish their Apple v. Samsung arguments on Monday or Tuesday, then Samsung calls up their experts and witnesses for defense, then Samsung v. Apple will start up and do the same thing in reverse (Samsung present evidence/witnesses arguing how Apple violated their patents, Apple defends).

Each side is only allowed a total of 25 hours in front of the jurors (so 50 total). I don't know if it's 25 hours per case, or 25 hours total.

I never quite understood why the Oracle v. Google one dragged on so long tbh.

 

[lunarworks]

I found this slide to be ridiculous:

So lining up icons in a row instead of all over the place, using different icons to represent different actions, having icons on the bottom of the screen, rounding your rectangles, and using more than one colour is infringing now? Someone stop the crazy.

It's not each individual element of design that Apple takes issue with. It's the combination of all of them.

 

[kehs]

What a shitty expert.

"Wouldn't you agree by the time the consumer goes through all those steps to get to the application screen, that consumer knows this is a Samsung phone?" asked Verhoeven.

"I was only asked to consider this application screen, compared to the Apple home screen," said Kare.

Verhoeven responded, "That wasn't my question. Wouldn't you agree that [at this point] the consumer knows this is a Samsung phone?"

Kare: "I'm not an expert in consumer behavior, and that kind of consumer experience. I'm really focused on graphic user interface, so I don't know that I'm qualified to agree with you."

Verhoeven: "Qualified or not, would you agree?"

Kare: "I just can't speak to that, because I don't know. I haven't studied startup experience. I know this is the application screen, not the home screen."

Then Verhoeven drew out differences in the icons between the D'305 patent (similar to the iPhone) and the Fascinate. Just about all the icons other than the two Apple pointed to—the green telephone and the clock—looked different. The messaging icon, Verhoeven got Kare to acknowledge, isn't quite a rounded rectangle. He pointed out the different Calendar icon. The Stocks icon and the Maps icon weren't on the Fascinate's screen at all.

As for the green telephone: "Apple doesn't own 'green for go,' does it?" asked Verhoeven. No, said Kare.

"You've seen dozens of icons that have green with telephone receivers on them in the past, haven't you?" he asked.

"When I was looking at this design, I specifically looked at that [Samsung] incarnation of a phone icon," answered Kare.

Apple also wants 2.88 Billion now, and not 2.5 Billion.

Apple's lawyers submitted an updated damages report late last night, presenting four scenarios in which they ask for as much as $2.88 billion in damages, up from the $2.5 billion they asked for a week ago.

Apple wants the most money for the Epic 4G phone, which it believes caused $388 million in infringement damages.

You guy want to talk about insane lawyering? The Epic 4G had a keyboard, and that's the phone when want most damages for because people might confuse it with the iPhone? da fuck?

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012...ry-mac-designer-testifies-about-copied-icons/

 

[Cheebo]

Well I guess they feel the case is going pretty well for them so far if they are uping the damages.

 

[gcubed]

What a shitty expert.



Apple also wants 2.88 Billion now, and not 2.5 Billion.





You guy want to talk about insane lawyering? The Epic 4G had a keyboard, and that's the phone when want most damages for because people might confuse it with the iPhone? da fuck?

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012...ry-mac-designer-testifies-about-copied-icons/

yeah, apple's experts kinda suck.

 

[iapetus]

yeah, apple's experts kinda suck.

Apple's experts, Samsung's lawyers and the judge.

 

[Cheebo]

Apple's experts, Samsung's lawyers and the judge.

the experts and samsung's lawyers yeah. But the judge? The judge bas been pretty awesome. The way she ripped into Samsung for leaking to the press the evidence they stupidly didn't include as evidence despite having over a year to include it was pretty entertaining.