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[tranciful]

Oh do shut up.

Just found this old screen I took back when I thought PSN switched to P2P

That's ~4MBytes/s, not bits. Basically the max my connection has. 10GB go in like 40 minutes. Not what I would consider slow.

Since I don't own a 360 I can't test, but it's obvious that it wouldn't be better.

Spoiler

Since it can't and all

Over 3MB/s is not even close to being slow. Unless you think PSN intentionally throttles to some customers, it's obvious that slow speeds are caused by other variables. Their home network, their local ISP, or their surrounding infrastructure. Some regions might be slower than others. That will generally be the case with any service.

I can record you a video that shows that my XBL downloads are just as slow as PSN downloads if not slower. 1-2MB/s max. NAT Open, of course and both consoles are wired to the router. I get full speed (12.5MB/s) when downloading stuff from sites like GiantBomb and at least 7MB/s on Steam.

Has nothing to do with ignorance but since there are people who get faster speeds than me on XBL I'll not run around and pretend that the service is shitty for providing me with crappy speeds. I'll listen to the experience other people are having, I'll ask them for advise on how to speed up the downloads but at some point I just have to deal with it.

edit: Said wireless, meant wired.

edit²: Let me show you how blazing fast XBL downloads are for me (downloading the Counter Strike Demo).

Here's some anecdotal evidence that XBL can be slow for some people. But you don't see me going around making sweeping claims about XBL speeds being slow across the board.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

But you don't see me going around making sweeping claims about XBL speeds being slow across the board.

The vast majority of people mentioning slow PSN speeds aren't doing that though, they're just saying for them specifically.

 

[tranciful]

The vast majority of people mentioning slow PSN speeds aren't doing that though, they're just saying for them specifically.

Are you joking? I could go through this thread and probably find dozens.

People practically assume PSN has slower speeds just because it's free. It's not uncommon to see people claim the networking for games is better on XBL even though it's all P2P. I'm not saying it's impossible for people to experience slower speeds on PSN depending on their circumstances (just like the opposite is possible), but there's a ton of ignorant bullshit being spewed.

 

[EscoBlades]

Over 3MB/s is not even close to being slow. Unless you think PSN intentionally throttles to some customers, it's obvious that slow speeds are caused by other variables. Their home network, their local ISP, or their surrounding infrastructure.

I'm not disputing that. For me, to dismiss either side of the argument is stupid. I can only go on my own experiences (which as it turns out are not isolated in this case).

I know enough about the networking in my home, my broadband and ISP conditions, my router's internal workings and other factors to effectively not see any major difference in download speed between XBL and PSN. And yet, i do. Others do too. And some have it the other way around.

The insistence of some in this thread to treat those who experience issues with PSN downloads like idiots is grating.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Are you joking?

I've been following the thread from the beginning, and several people have mentioned they see slower speeds and not make any sort of absolute console warrior monger statements. Some people are highly defensive in the thread as well.

Yeah, there's the occasional idiotic statement being made due to the highly volatile nature of these topics in general, but there are some people who seem to instantly blanket anyone making any sort of statement with those types automatically.

 

[Speedymanic]

Huh, using a proxy to get decent speeds from PSN? I chuckled heartily.

If that doesn't indicate a problem on Sony's end, I don't know what does...

 

[patsu]

I'm not disputing that. For me, to dismiss either side of the argument is stupid. I can only go on my own experiences (which as it turns out are not isolated in this case).

I know enough about the networking in my home, my broadband and ISP conditions, my router's internal workings and other factors to effectively not see any major difference in download speed between XBL and PSN. And yet, i do. Others do too. And some have it the other way around.

The insistence of some in this thread to treat those who experience issues with PSN downloads like idiots is grating.

It's a complex issue involving multiple layers and vendors. We even have different experience in the same network but different PS3. So system or HDD issues may also be a factor.

And yes some are reporting 360 issues.

Kinda frustrating for some people if this is the so called DD future.

 

[Metalmurphy]

Huh, using a proxy to get decent speeds from PSN? I chuckled heartily.

If that doesn't indicate a problem on Sony's end, I don't know what does...

It's a local proxy. As in, it's only using my connection nothing else. I use it to analyse the network data from PS3.

You really don't wanna play that game again speedy.

 

[Massa]

It's a local proxy. As in, it's only using my connection nothing else. I use it to analyse the network data from PS3.

You really don't wanna play that game again speedy.

He misses his old tag, that's all.

 

[Speedymanic]

It's a local proxy. As in, it's only using my connection nothing else. I use it to analyse the network data from PS3.

You really don't wanna play that game again speedy.

Ah, fair enough. Threw me off is all.

I don't know, I'm in the mood for a good ol' back and forth...

He misses his old tag, that's all.

If you say so.

 

[NervousXtian]

PSN is crap, the only positive it's that it's free.

 

[Atruvius]

I'm now downloading a 3.6Gb file from Steam, it takes me approximately 45 minutes to download it. On PSN it would take somewhere around 2 to 3 hours to download it.

I have NAT 2 on my PS3.

 

[Rolf NB]

It's a local proxy. As in, it's only using my connection nothing else. I use it to analyse the network data from PS3.

Wireshark (or just plain pcap) can do this without proxying/changing the gateway on the monitored device. I used it to check into what was going on with the EU PSN store, and it captured all the stuff just fine.

 

[Metalmurphy]

Wireshark (or just plain pcap) can do this without proxying/changing the gateway on the monitored device. I used it to check into what was going on with the EU PSN store, and it captured all the stuff just fine.

How does that work? PS3 connections don't go trough my PC so how would that program know what's going on?

 

[snap0212]

Huh, using a proxy to get decent speeds from PSN? I chuckled heartily.

If that doesn't indicate a problem on Sony's end, I don't know what does...

What do you think about slow XBL speeds? As in: Slower than PSN.

Indicates that something's wrong with XBL as well when I can download from GiantBomb at 12.5MB/s.

 

[Rolf NB]

How does that work? PS3 connections don't go trough my PC so how would that program know what's going on?

It can capture in "promiscuous" mode.

All network interfaces on the same network segment generally see all packets (unless a router filters them out on a per-port basis). It's just that they usually match them up to their own address, and ignore packets that are for other targets. But the packets still show up at every device.

Promiscuous capturing just disables the address check and processes every packet, irrespective of its actual intended destination.

 

[goldensnake]

PSN downloads are generally pretty fast and consistent for me and on par with XBL. Steam is faster than both though on the same connection.

This thread started as a "PSN is slow/has download issues" and turned into "I hate PSN". :/

 

[BlazinAm]

I have my PS3 hooked up via Ethernet to my laptop and I have seen noticeable improvements in download speeds. I might install tomato or something and directly connect my PS3 to my router and see if I get even better performance. Also yeah it is weird that on the PS3 you have to enable a download to be a background download but it is a one button click and not a big deal.

 

[R_thanatos]

Really?

Blaming the user for not being able to understand a product due to a confusing and unexplained difference between two separate download options is lazy. If it was an intuitive or simple design, the user would have no problems. Bad or complicated design without explanation seems to be the problem more than the user.

And in what it is complicated again ? Once a download starts you have 3 options:
- cancel it ( circle )
- put in in background ( cross )
- do nothing

what's complicated there ? AM i some kind of genius that master this extremly complicated design without trouble ?

You download a file , you get disconnected from internet , from PSnetwork and it timeout ..and you have to start over.

Sooo complicated ...Nevermind that there are perfectly valid solutions to avoid this problem.. nevermind that the OP didn't know , haven't looked. Nevermind that the thread states PSN , when it's more of an interface ( PS3 ) problem..

But No no no.. the user is not at fault ...

Next time you go out , don't close the door ( even when you can ) and come complaining afterwards that the house maker is crap... when you only had to close the door and none of your problems would have occured.

Congratulations, you have just won this thread. Courtesy of Sony, you now get free PSN for life. Enjoy.

Funny how this thread is a basic "PSN is crap" yet you're riding the flow as if it's people here seeing the basic flaws into each of your arguments that are biased. it's like you don't want to read even when the freaking evidence is in front of you.

PSN downloads are generally pretty fast and consistent for me and on par with XBL. Steam is faster than both though on the same connection.

This thread started as a "PSN is slow/has download issues" and turned into "I hate PSN". :/

Ditto

 

[Ninja Scooter]

And is complicated again ? Once a download starts you have 3 options:
- cancel it ( circle )
- put in in background ( cross )
- do nothing

what's complicated there ? AM i some kind of genius that master this extremly complicated design without trouble ?

What do those options mean? What does each do? What are the pros and cons of each one? find me somewhere where Sony explains this. Somewhere on PSn. A fucking FAQ. Anywhere. IT's not there. Is it just something you should "know"? Should I have to ask a online message board to find out? Learn by mistake? That's not poor design?

 

[alr1ght]

I think even my tecnologically illiterate grandmother could figure out how to download on PSN. It's not hard.

Cancel is cancel, download in background, or sit there. What is there to explain?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I think even my tecnologically illiterate grandmother could figure out how to download on PSN. It's not hard.

Cancel is cancel, download in background, or sit there. What is there to explain?

What the difference between download in the background and download as-is, is.

 

[Card Boy]

What do those options mean? What does each do? What are the pros and cons of each one? find me somewhere where Sony explains this. Somewhere on PSn. A fucking FAQ. Anywhere. IT's not there. Is it just something you should "know"? Should I have to ask a online message board to find out? Learn by mistake? That's not poor design?

I feel your pain, seriously. It really is poor design, no ifs or buts about it.

 

[alr1ght]

It downloads in the background and you can do other tasks. You will have to manually install it once finished (or set the ps3 to turn off and it will auto-install after completion).

Normal download will stay on the screen and auto-install as soon as the download finishes. Normally used for small downloads.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

It downloads in the background and you can do other tasks. You will have to manually install it once finished (or set the ps3 to turn off and it will auto-install after completion).

Normal download will stay on the screen and auto-install as soon as the download finishes. Normally used for small downloads.

You explained it in less words than a Twitter post and Sony couldn't' put that on PSN. Again, that's not bad design?

 

[ihearthawthats]

What do those options mean? What does each do? What are the pros and cons of each one? find me somewhere where Sony explains this. Somewhere on PSn. A fucking FAQ. Anywhere. IT's not there. Is it just something you should "know"? Should I have to ask a online message board to find out? Learn by mistake? That's not poor design?

too lazy to open up my box for the manual so i'm not 100% sure if it's there, but its certainly available in the online manual which should be accessible through your ps3:

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/store/purchase.html
http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/background/background.html

 

[alr1ght]

I really don't think it's all that difficult so that it would require looking it up in a manual. Is it the best designed system? Obviously not, but it's not end of the world, psn is garbage bad. You'll understand how to use it after a few uses, like with any type of software.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I really don't think it's all that difficult so that it would require looking it up in a manual. Is it the best designed system? Obviously not, but it's not end of the world, psn is garbage bad. You'll understand how to use it after a few uses, like with any type of software.

I never said it was the end of the world, I just said it was poorly designed. We only allowed to make threads for things that are life/death now?

 

[ihearthawthats]

I never said it was the end of the world, I just said it was poorly designed. We only allowed to make threads for things that are life/death now?

well thats like your opinion, man. people say origin has poorly designed things, gwfl, and even steam. imo, this is way more minor than steam's offline mode and it sounds like your just having a fit over something little honestly.

 

[RukusProvider]

It downloads in the background and you can do other tasks. You will have to manually install it once finished (or set the ps3 to turn off and it will auto-install after completion).

Normal download will stay on the screen and auto-install as soon as the download finishes. Normally used for small downloads.

*A normal download does not have a resume feature.

That needs to part of a FAQ. Why the hell are installs not automatic once I have downloaded content? I'm going to do exactly what with it if not install?

 

[Metalmurphy]

*A normal download does not have a resume feature.

That needs to part of a FAQ. Why the hell are installs not automatic once I have downloaded content? I'm going to do exactly what with it if not install?

Because you can be doing something else and installs will lock you out of the system.

 

[RukusProvider]

Because you can be doing something else and installs will lock you out of the system.

Oh yeah! another great feature. Totally forgot about that.

 

[Metalmurphy]

Oh yeah! another great feature. Totally forgot about that.

That has nothing to do with PSN.

 

[R_thanatos]

You explained it in less words than a Twitter post and Sony couldn't' put that on PSN. Again, that's not bad design?

No.
Why explain something when the answer is obvious..this isn't a device for child.. Anyone who have used a computer can understand what each option do.

Imagine you press circle .. should sony have added a screen telling you that if you cancel the download , then the download is cancelled ? They didn't do it , because there is no point ..
Also there is a text on the botton of the screen , explaining what "downloading in background" does. Bad design ? yeah right ...

I never said it was the end of the world, I just said it was poorly designed. We only allowed to make threads for things that are life/death now?

Way to go on the defensive.
Silly threads are still sanctionned last time i checked. ( not to say that this thread is ) but if a thread has problem within it , then it's perfectly understandable that people broswing says what they feel is wrong about it.
In your OP you asked a question . you asked if you're missing something about it. the answer is yes . you didn't do what you should have.
This isn't a matter of PSN , this is a matter of PS3 menu. and said menu is simple.

You didn't know ? Fine. Now you know. Blaming Psn from the get go when the crux of your problem lies elsewhere is also a problem many have pointed out.

*A normal download does not have a resume feature.

That needs to part of a FAQ. Why the hell are installs not automatic once I have downloaded content? I'm going to do exactly what with it if not install?

Content install is signed ( using the key to decrypt is part of a system ) that can only be used under some conditions ( nothing else can be used when that system is in use ) .. it's a security mesure .
Because of this you cannot install when you're doing something else ( anything else ).

For example you can download a psp content into your ps3.. the content will be downloaded , but you'll need to install it on your psp .that content will be signed and you'll need all your console attention to do it.

 

[Zing]

Why is there even a difference between foreground and background downloading? How does that make any sense?

Bingo.

 

[Gen X]

Just imagining downloading a 10 Gig file on PSN makes me cringe.

DC Universe was the most painful download I've experienced on PSN, getting the client then the update!

 

[Speedymanic]

What do you think about slow XBL speeds? As in: Slower than PSN.

Indicates that something's wrong with XBL as well when I can download from GiantBomb at 12.5MB/s.

Except it's not at all comparable. PSN download issues are very well documented and encountered by a somewhat large volume of users, the same simply isn't true of XBL download issues and the number of users it affects.

Basically, one can possibly be attributed to the hardware/network of a company due to sheer volume of complaints and number of workarounds documented online and one can be attributed to user error/user related issues as it's so very rare.

 

[Kydd BlaZe]

Add another victim to the list.

Due to the recent Metal Gear hype around these parts, I finally decided to download the Metal Gear Solid HD Collection. I initially couldn't decide whether to download it on PSN or XBL. I ultimately decided to go with PSN because you know...MGS is basically meant to be played with a dualshock, etc etc.

The download ends up taking around 8 hours to complete. Not only that, but then there's the fucking stupid install to sit through, so that takes another 30 to 45 minutes. So nearly 10 hours go by and I finally get the chance to play. Would you know it...the game has no audio. No sound at all. I try rebooting the system, messing around with the audio options in the XMB...nothing...still no sound. I don't know if this is a glitch or what, but all of my other PSN games launch with sound just fine. I check around different sites and forums...no one else seems to have encountered this problem.

Rage ensues...

I break down and decide to give it a go on XBL (which is what I should have done from the start to be honest, as the MGS2 & 3 Collection is listed as 5 bucks cheaper than on PSN). This fucker downloads in just over an hour. What took nearly 10 hours to do on PSN...took me a bit over 1 hour to do on XBL...

Needless to say it took everything inside of me not to launch my PS3 out of my window and into the oncoming traffic down below. So fucking pissed...

 

[ashbash159]

I have to take my PS3 downstairs and plug it into the router to download anything. If I try to download over wifi, it takes an eternity.

Yesterday I put in the MGS HD Collection, and it required a patch of around 250 MB. Upstairs it would have taken 20 minutes. Downstairs, plugged into the router through ethernet, it took a minute.

Does anyone know if the new slimmer PS3s have better wifi?

 

[Android18a]

I've found the only problem with PSN is the speed. However I bought an extra ethernet cable to try yesterday instead of Wi-fi and the speed increase is tangible. If you're bothered by wi-fi speeds it's worth investing the quid into a nice long cable.

 

[Kydd BlaZe]

I've found the only problem with PSN is the speed. However I bought an extra ethernet cable to try yesterday instead of Wi-fi and the speed increase is tangible. If you're bothered by wi-fi speeds it's worth investing the quid into a nice long cable.

That could have been my issue as well, because I use wi fi for my PS3, but my 360 is connected via Ethernet.

 

[Canis lupus]

I seem to be getting somewhere around 1.5MB/s on a max 3.2MB/s connection, I'm happy with the speed.

 

[ashbash159]

Even my Vita has better download speeds than my PS3. (Over wifi of course)

 

[breakfuss]

Aaaand, the Sony apologists predictably come out of the woodwork. Just admit that the PS3, while a powerful machine, has an abundance of inexcusable quirks and sh*t UI. That said, I've never experienced bad d/l speeds.

 

[bill0527]

My 360 and PS3 sit right next to each other. Same network, same distance from the wireless router, same number of walls to pull a signal through, same amount of interference to deal with.

I can start downloading the exact same demo on each device and the 360 always downloads it faster. Much faster. Even if I plug an Ethernet cord into the PS3, the 360 still downloads it faster over my wireless network. I put the PS3 as highest priority in my QoS settings and my 360 still downloads faster. I've also tried it on 2 different PS3 systems - a launch 60gb unit and a 40gb unit from fall 2007.

I've tried different routers - Dlink dir-655, netgear wndr3300, and a linksys ea4500, and it's the same performance. I've timed downloading a 1gb file from PSN through my network and then done the exact same thing with the PS3 running straight to my cable modem, and it's slightly faster, but not by much.

I have done everything humanly possible at my end to speed up downloading on the PS3 and its made no difference.

 

[Massa]

My 360 and PS3 sit right next to each other. Same network, same distance from the wireless router, same number of walls to pull a signal through, same amount of interference to deal with.

Which one holds the IP with the open ports on your router?

 

[Baconsammy]

The difference between my PS3 and 360 in regards to downloading and playing a demo is that generally it takes my PS3 longer to just install the thing after it's downloaded than it takes my 360 to download it and start playing. Seems like piss-poor PSN speeds are an epidemic. I have no idea what the problem is but it's bad enough that I've pretty much stopped using the PS3 altogether unless it's an exclusive I'm interested in. Even video services that don't go anywhere near PSN suck. It's odd because my Vita suffers no such issues.

DC Universe was the most painful download I've experienced on PSN, getting the client then the update!

That thing took over 24 hours to download. I'm not kidding either.

 

[Zoe]

It all depends on which PSN server you connect to. Sometimes different accounts in the same household even default to different servers, so one account will be fast while the other chugs.

 

[conman]

It all depends on which PSN server you connect to. Sometimes different accounts in the same household even default to different servers, so one account will be fast while the other chugs.

If true, any indirect way to change this?

 

[kyo27]

I'll never forget when I bought GT5 the morning it came out and couldn't wait to pop it in and play it. Well as soon as I loaded the game I was prompted for a bunch of updates that took almost 2 hours to dl. And after I saw the non premium cars I was so pissed that I sold the game to my brother after playing for about 10 minutes.