Final Fantasy 13 - A Storm Gathers

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Mario007 said:
I just really wish Noel was there. Also
Serah MUST stay dead. If they even think about bringing her back it'll ruin the ending of FFXIII-2
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XIII-3 will be about using Serah again, but this time it's Serah from an alternate history trying to save Serah before she died.
 
MagiusNecros said:
Hopefully they just keep that horrible requiem they had and be done with it.
While labeling both sisters as very intimate with each other
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See I could buy a third game coming from the ending with Noel as the lead and the implications that he
killed Etro and Serah with her
. It would have been a very interesting thing to see.
 
ULTROS! said:
XIII-3 will be about using Serah again, but this time it's Serah from an alternate history trying to save Serah before she died.
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Nah you'll play as Yeul instead and it will be revealed that the Farron twins are from the same clan and that they be priestesses and stuff happens and death strokes and weirdness and.../rant
 
Mario007 said:
Timetravel, bro. The future can change the past.
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I get that everyone thinks this is stupid, but it's not. It's based on different, real theories of time travel. If you use a single timeline model, where there aren't different timelines splintering off for every change, then the rules are different.

If you have a single timeline and change the future in a way that the past does not lead up to, then you would either have a paradox, or the timeline would alter events in the past itself to preserve a logic in the timeline with a different future (like when you fix paradoxes in the game).

Wikipedia said:
Assumptions of the Novikov self-consistency principle

The Novikov consistency principle assumes certain conditions about what sort of time travel is possible. Specifically, it assumes either that there is only one timeline, or that any alternative timelines (such as those postulated by the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics) are not accessible.
Given these assumptions, the constraint that time travel must not lead to inconsistent outcomes could be seen merely as a tautology, a self-evident truth that cannot possibly be false, because if you make the assumption that it is false this would lead to a logical paradox
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There are lots of other single timeline theories, like ones claiming paradoxes are impossible so if you went to the past and tried to shoot your grandfather, your gun would always missfire or events would somehow prevent you from ever altering the future.

XIII-2 also throws in some subtle references to Time Loop Logic.

Wikipedia said:
In this system, a computer sends a result of a computation backwards through time and relies upon the self-consistency principle to force the sent result to be correct.
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In the game they talk about Lightning fighting Caius in endless time loops, which is partly why she ended up
giving up the fight
. Also, after you beat the game, the first event in Valhalla that we saw at the beginning is put at the end of the timeline map, implying that the fight looped and it started again.

In the end, the game is based on fantasy with magic, monsters, gods and goddesses so it won't be 100% airtight. But some of the stuff that people complain about is actually based on real theoretical physics.
 
onemic said:
Why they keep focusing on the game man that has single handedly ruined the FF name is beyond me.
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Fixed that for you.

As soon as Toriyama is shuffled off to some cell-phone-game back office and Hiroyuki Ito is let out of whatever prison they've put him in, the Square name will rise again:

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onemic said:
Why they keep focusing on the game that has single handedly ruined the FF name is beyond me.
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I'd argue XIII itself didn't do as much harm to the FF brand as the fact they didn't move on to something more productive thereafter.

FF fans traditionally dislike the most recent iteration of the series for various reasons, I still remember the meltdowns when VIII or XII came out (and those two are deified here on GAF).

Instead of attempting to force feed Lightning to the masses again, they should have just let it be. XIII was a fairly complete game itself, it wasn't great but it didn't need all this convoluted bullshit that nobody cares about. The more they labor it, the more people will simply not be interested.

Short term they save money reusing resources, but long term...
 
Do we have any confirmation at all on what Ito is actually doing ? Wikipedia says that he is working on a "large-scale, unannounced project". The link to this quote is the Ultimania guide of Dissidia. Is this reliable ? Could he possibly be working on Final Fantasy XV ?
 
AuthenticM said:
Do we have any confirmation at all on what Ito is actually doing ? Wikipedia says that he is working on a "large-scale, unannounced project". The link to this quote is the Ultimania guide of Dissidia. Is this reliable ? Could he possibly be working on Final Fantasy XV ?
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For all we know it was a large scale browser game.
 
AuthenticM said:
Do we have any confirmation at all on what Ito is actually doing ? Wikipedia says that he is working on a "large-scale, unannounced project". The link to this quote is the Ultimania guide of Dissidia. Is this reliable ? Could he possibly be working on Final Fantasy XV ?
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It's reliable at the time. At the time being 3-4 years ago. Probably no longer accurate. Whatever he was working on was probably canned.
 
What about the GamesMaster UK rumor a month ago that he's been working on Final Fantasy XV since 2008, which then entered full production in January of 2010, with a team of over 200 people ? It then goes on to say that the cities will be bustling with people, similar to Assassin's Creed, and that Wada wants the game to have a lore more rich than that of Skyrim.

Is this bonkers? Didn't GamesMaster UK correctly unveiled stuff in the past, such as the rumors for Fabula Nova Crystallis and the 360 port of XIII ?

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And how would we know that what he was working on was canned ?
 
AuthenticM said:
What about the GamesMaster UK rumor a month ago that he's been working on Final Fantasy XV since 2008, which then entered full production in January of 2010, with a team of over 200 people ? It then goes on to say that the cities will be bustling with people, similar to Assassin's Creed, and that Wada wants the game to have a lore more rich than that of Skyrim.

Is this bonkers? Didn't GamesMaster UK correctly unveiled stuff in the past, such as the rumors for Fabula Nova Crystallis and the 360 port of XIII ?

Link

And how would we know that what he was working on was canned ?
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someone on GameFAQs made that up and (and admit it) people post that everywhere. Game Masters UK probably doesn't even know about it. :P
 
So correct me if I'm wrong, but the guy has not been at the head of any AAA project since XII ? Wikipedia says that he worked on a bunch of stuff since then, but not as a director or producer. Isn't it logical to think that Square trusts him and would give him the reign of a mainline Final Fantasy game once again ? I mean, the guy fucking created the ATB system, went on to direct Final Fantasy VI, regarded as what is possibly the greatest JRPG of all time, then worked on Chrono Trigger, directed IX and then XII.

The only fact we have is a confirmation that the guy is still working for Square. Shouldn't what he's working on be announced sooner rather than later ?
 
AuthenticM said:
So correct me if I'm wrong, but the guy has not been at the head of any AAA project since XII ? Wikipedia says that he worked on a bunch of stuff since then, but not as a director or producer. Isn't it logical to think that Square trusts him and would give him the reign of a mainline Final Fantasy game once again ? I mean, the guy fucking created the ATB system, went on to direct Final Fantasy VI, regarded as what is possibly the greatest JRPG of all time, then worked on Chrono Trigger, directed IX and then XII.

The only fact we have is a confirmation that the guy is still working for Square. Shouldn't what he's working on be announced sooner rather than later ?
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Is an Ito game something you want?

That means it's not being made.
 
@Shinta Thanks for making that point really clear for everyone. I've always thought XIII-2 put out some interesting ideas for time travel that we don't usually see, and it actually made much more sense than people said it did.
 
AuthenticM said:
So correct me if I'm wrong, but the guy has not been at the head of any AAA project since XII ? Wikipedia says that he worked on a bunch of stuff since then, but not as a director or producer. Isn't it logical to think that Square trusts him and would give him the reign of a mainline Final Fantasy game once again ? I mean, the guy fucking created the ATB system, went on to direct Final Fantasy VI, regarded as what is possibly the greatest JRPG of all time, then worked on Chrono Trigger, directed IX and then XII.

The only fact we have is a confirmation that the guy is still working for Square. Shouldn't what he's working on be announced sooner rather than later ?
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Welcome to getting widow-seated in Japan!
 
I'm pretty excited for this. XIII was an excellent game and although XIII-2 was not quite as good it was still really fun. More stuff in this world? Yes please.
 
Mario007 said:
But what if Kitase is so pleased with Toriyama that he decided to promote him to a producer?
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Ah, then the moment we have all awaited will come! Toriyama will do for Daisuke Watanabe what Kitase did for Toriyama! Final Fantasy XV... directed and written by Daisuke Watanabe! YES!!! :D
 
duckroll said:
Welcome to getting widow-seated in Japan!
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But that can't be true ! I mean, we still have no idea what he's doing right now. He's not even credited at all in any of the XIII game.

Shouldn't this give us hope that he is secretly working somewhere on something that will revitalize the franchise ? I want to.
 
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