Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 1 - Sundays on AMC

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I could have done without the flashback at the end. But I bet without it, people would be like, wtf what's so special about the book

I actually liked it, and I hate flashbacks most of the time(TDKR lol), but here it was done perfectly. I liked how there was no music to tell you how to feel, all I could think about was Hank's captain talking about how Gus was right under his nose. Right there in front of him this whole time. And the, "you got me" line by Walt was just the cherry on top, he's been played like a fool this time, because the best meth cook he's ever crossed was right in front of him, his brother-in-law.

Now I wonder if he'll piece this and the car-wash together, cause in that case, Sky will also be in trouble. And with Sky being his wife's sis and all, I wonder how he'll react. Hank's a good cop, and a really decent guy, I don't expect him to break any rules. But I do expect him to react in a way we haven't seen him react before, cause his character has never came across such a situation.

My guess is, the M60 is to protect Sky and Family or Jesse from those meth dealers that he formed a pack with in Say My Name. That, or Todd and company, something just rubbed me the wrong way about Todd. But part of me feels like his character was introduced for the sole purpose of the jail murder sequence, whatever lol, it was worth it. We for one, know that he successfully escapes. I wonder if some Jesse and Walt stuff will come full circle, I'm already setting myself up to believe that not everything will be answered, and not ever "secret" will be uncovered. Anyways, month 1 of the wait begins :'(, I will begin to re-watch the series about 2 months or so before the 2nd half of season 5 premiers.
 
The same Walter who dumped half of his house in the opening episode so there won't be any possibility of connecting Gus' death with him, and even dumping the whole poisonous plant.
When it suits the writing team Walt is the cleverest guy in the world. And when it suits them elsewhere Walt is the dumbest guy in the world.
yeah I really don't see why he would keep the book in the first place. ah well
 
I have no idea why people would have a problem with the way Hank finds out, Walt has made mistakes and been reckless throughout the series. Would he really have feared that Hank would find the book in his own bathroom, buried under magazines, decide to read it and make the connection?

Who's to say it was Walt that put it there anyway? Maybe Skyler, not knowing the potential significance moved it.

I love the fact Walt's empire could fall around him because he forgot about one loose end, it's much more realistic than there being a hidden camera etc. It also gives the writers some leeway in how they handle the next couple of episodes, as many people have already said it seems unlikely Hank will pull up his pants and go full guns blazing when his whole family is around.

You can bet your arse that Walt will try and worm his way out of it anyway, he'll probably say Gale was a fan of his work at Gray Matter, maybe he was an old connection when he was teacher. No matter what happens the way it has been done leaves a much more interesting route ahead for all characters involved than if Hank was handed 100% solid proof there and then.
 
Such a weak episode to end the season with. And such a terrible ending. Do we really need any more evidence that the show is overrated and has huge writing flaws that would have been ripped apart in every other show?

They should have ended the season with last week's episode. It would have served as a way better season finale. And this episode would have served much better at next season's opener.

The ending was crap. Deux ex machina all over the place. The writers have provided Hank with a present. 'Oh hey, we reached the final season and Hank is no where close to catching Walt so let's drop the evidence into his lap'. Pft.

Who will leave such an evidence lying there in the bathroom that serves anybody who visits the house, including his wife's sister's husband who is the head of the DEA. The both know about the notebook and the dedication written by Gale, but Walter doesn't mind leaving a book with the same style of dedication signed by the initials of a drug-cooker.

The same Walter who dumped half of his house in the opening episode so there won't be any possibility of connecting Gus' death with him, and even dumping the whole poisonous plant.
When it suits the writing team Walt is the cleverest guy in the world. And when it suits them elsewhere Walt is the dumbest guy in the world.

LOL
 
Such a weak episode to end the season with. And such a terrible ending. Do we really need any more evidence that the show is overrated and has huge writing flaws that would have been ripped apart in every other show?

They should have ended the season with last week's episode. It would have served as a way better season finale. And this episode would have served much better at next season's opener.

The ending was crap. Deux ex machina all over the place. The writers have provided Hank with a present. 'Oh hey, we reached the final season and Hank is no where close to catching Walt so let's drop the evidence into his lap'. Pft.

Who will leave such an evidence lying there in the bathroom that serves anybody who visits the house, including his wife's sister's husband who is the head of the DEA. The both know about the notebook and the dedication written by Gale, but Walter doesn't mind leaving a book with the same style of dedication signed by the initials of a drug-cooker.

The same Walter who dumped half of his house in the opening episode so there won't be any possibility of connecting Gus' death with him, and even dumping the whole poisonous plant.
When it suits the writing team Walt is the cleverest guy in the world. And when it suits them elsewhere Walt is the dumbest guy in the world.
Sa....l....ty....
 
Rewatching. man, this episode was amazing.


Walt finds his little hint of redemption and his 'old self' and constant reminders of why he started all this in the first place (The cancer). Then when all is well, and in that last scene, we expect some crazy hell from Heisenbergs past to come in guns blazing. Its just Hank taking a shit and finding a minor detail that Walt missed. Its anti-climactic climactic in that [Br]eaking [Ba]d sort of way.

I was thinking the first scene next season would be where it left off, but now im thinking its going to be Gale giving Walt that book. It has to have some significant value for Walt to forget something like that. Or like someone said here, he simply forgot all about it during this crazy mess.
 
Such a weak episode to end the season with. And such a terrible ending. Do we really need any more evidence that the show is overrated and has huge writing flaws that would have been ripped apart in every other show?

They should have ended the season with last week's episode. It would have served as a way better season finale. And this episode would have served much better at next season's opener.

The ending was crap. Deux ex machina all over the place. The writers have provided Hank with a present. 'Oh hey, we reached the final season and Hank is no where close to catching Walt so let's drop the evidence into his lap'. Pft.

Who will leave such an evidence lying there in the bathroom that serves anybody who visits the house, including his wife's sister's husband who is the head of the DEA. The both know about the notebook and the dedication written by Gale, but Walter doesn't mind leaving a book with the same style of dedication signed by the initials of a drug-cooker.

The same Walter who dumped half of his house in the opening episode so there won't be any possibility of connecting Gus' death with him, and even dumping the whole poisonous plant.
When it suits the writing team Walt is the cleverest guy in the world. And when it suits them elsewhere Walt is the dumbest guy in the world.

I'm more amazed you've watched the show this long if this how you felt. Not that there's anything wrong with feeling this way, even though I disagree with just about everything in your post, but normally when I don't like a show I stop watching it. That's why I stopped watching Dexter after season 5.

Walt's also not a mastermind criminal, he's just an idiot with occasional flashes of brilliance. Hank thought Heisenberg was Gale and was ready to wrap up the investigation until Walt's ego go the best of him and he put Hank back on the trail.
 
yeah I really don't see why he would keep the book in the first place. ah well

Maybe Walter accepted the gift, thought nothing of it at the time, and never knew that there was a message from Gale? Do we ever see Walt reading the message (or even opening the book) during the series?
 
I don't think it's crazy that he would have kept the book at all, people. again, he originally had it in a bedside drawer in his room. it was a memento. a dark one, but one that it makes sense for Walt to keep, especially when it's kept away from most everyone.
it moved into the bathroom over the course of 3 months where the DEA had given up on tracking the blue and Heisenberg and Ehrmantraut and Madrigal. Walt had nothing to worry about. And being as reckless as he's always been, it makes sense for him to, during a calm period, put out a small item that could possibly maybe connect him to Gale Boetticher.
I'm surprised it would take someone that long to drop it.

heh, as much as I hate on dex now I don't think I would have ever dropped out before season 5. season 4 was shallow fun, season 2 and 1 were good.
 

Keep the book, but in a private\locked place. Not where everybody can examine it. Or rip off the dedication.

I guess people here don't care about basic writing competence when it comes to Breaking Bad. Writers bluntly throwing lifelines to characters? No problem. Walt acting stupidly or rashly when it fits where they are tying to steer the plot? Fine by me. Hank getting on Walt's trail thanks to ZERO police (or any) work and just gets evidence fall into his lap? Yes please.

The show is good and enjoyable but it isn't anywhere close to what hype\people\awards suggest it is. This episode is a great example why.
 
I don't think it's crazy that he would have kept the book at all, people. again, he originally had it in a bedside drawer in his room. it was a memento. a dark one, but one that it makes sense for Walt to keep, especially when it's kept away from most everyone.
it moved into the bathroom over the course of 3 months where the DEA had given up on tracking the blue and Heisenberg and Ehrmantraut and Madrigal. Walt had nothing to worry about. And being as reckless as he's always been, it makes sense for him to, during a calm period, put out a small item that could possibly maybe connect him to Gale Boetticher.


heh, as much as I hate on dex now I don't think I would have ever dropped out before season 5. season 4 was shallow fun, season 2 and 1 were good.

Dexter S4 was worth it for John Lithgow's creepy ass performance alone. I also gave up on it in S5.
 
Keep the book, but in a private\locked place. Not where everybody can examine it. Or rip off the dedication.

I guess people here don't care about basic writing competence when it comes to Breaking Bad. Writers bluntly throwing lifelines to characters? No problem. Walt acting stupidly or rashly when it fits where they are tying to steer the plot? Fine by me. Hank getting on Walt's trail thanks to ZERO police (or any) work and just gets evidence fall into his lap? Yes please.

The show is good and enjoyable but it isn't anywhere close to what hype\people\awards suggest it is. This episode is a great example why.

Yes, Walter only acts rash or short-sighted on rare occasions, and it certainly isn't a major part of his character.
 
Loved the finale, I can see why people would dislike the way Hank found out, but it made sense to me. It would take something as simple as this for Walt to be found out, he's always been reckless.

Did anyone else think Lydia said "Not if you're magical." when she was talking to Walt?

I guess I'm not the only one then, I was wondering wtf she was on about for a second.
 
I didn't see them as getting along well, simply coexisting. They weren't at each others throats, but I could never see them getting back together.
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Unfortunately for them both I can. They are both horrible spouses and both should have left eachother about 40 times over the course of the show.
 
Keep the book, but in a private\locked place. Not where everybody can examine it. Or rip off the dedication.

I guess people here don't care about basic writing competence when it comes to Breaking Bad. Writers bluntly throwing lifelines to characters? No problem. Walt acting stupidly or rashly when it fits where they are tying to steer the plot? Fine by me. Hank getting on Walt's trail thanks to ZERO police (or any) work and just gets evidence fall into his lap? Yes please.

The show is good and enjoyable but it isn't anywhere close to what hype\people\awards suggest it is. This episode is a great example why.

again, it was in a private place. Then walt was out of danger for months and months and the book was moved. maybe not by him.

Hank got onto Walt's trail thanks to a lot of police work. Gale ended up being just a smaller part of the huge Fring organization that Hank was investigating, yet Hank remembered specific vital details about that relatively unimportant person's personal notes.

Was it a lucky discovery? Hell yes. It's super convenient. But that doesn't automatically make it lazy. There have been countless instants in this show where Walt could have made one little slip to unravel his entire empire (or empire-in-progress). He was characterized as rash and short-sighted throughout the entire show, not just when it "fit the plot". So it's amazing it took him this long to make a slip-up like this. Hell, he spent season 4 taunting Hank about Gale.

Oh, the show isn't as good as we all think it is? Okay. Look, I'm all for differing opinions but stating that yours is correct while others are in the wrong mindset is, frankly, one of the more asshole-ish things you can do in a discussion.
 
Lydia really surprised me this episode.

This is the first time we've gotten a real sense of ambition from her. Previously, she was just running scared, and it seems perhaps that she had unwittingly gotten mixed up in something way over her head.

But now, she almost seems Walt-like. Hopefully we get some meaty backstory in the back eight.
 
Keep the book, but in a private\locked place. Not where everybody can examine it. Or rip off the dedication.

I guess people here don't care about basic writing competence when it comes to Breaking Bad. Writers bluntly throwing lifelines to characters? No problem. Walt acting stupidly or rashly when it fits where they are tying to steer the plot? Fine by me. Hank getting on Walt's trail thanks to ZERO police (or any) work and just gets evidence fall into his lap? Yes please.

The show is good and enjoyable but it isn't anywhere close to what hype\people\awards suggest it is. This episode is a great example why.
Walt has constantly made mistakes. It's a part of his character. He isn't a criminal mastermind. How many stupid mistakes has he made throughout the series? The book was essentially forgotten about over the course of a few months, how is that so difficult to understand.

The show absolutely deserves the accolades, shame you can't see why.
 
Lydia really surprised me this episode.

This is the first time we've gotten a real sense of ambition from her. Previously, she was just running scared, and it seems perhaps that she had unwittingly gotten mixed up in something way over her head.

But now, she almost seems Walt-like. Hopefully we get some meaty backstory in the back eight.

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Regarding Walt and Jesse's relationship, and where it may go in the future:

Jesse understands Walt in a way that Walt's own family doesn't. He may not have the whole picture, but he's shared with Walt an experience that, to Walt, is the most vital of his life. Walt has no one like him.

Gilligan has said all along that Walt sees Jesse as a son, but that doesn't mean that Walt always treats him like one.

Rolling Stone teased that Walt returns to New Mexico in the final eight in order to
protect someone. I feel it's gotta be Jesse. The emotional set-up/dynamic is right, and plenty of new criminals were introduced this season — criminals who may want a cook and after Walt "disappears." Walt already bragged to the Phoenix guys that Jesse is the world's second greatest meth cook. If Todd hasn't the ability replace Walt alone, then Jesse may may be in danger of a kidnapping. The Phoenix guys won't have to look far to find him — the rats being killed meant that Jesse could stay in town.

We can expect that the final eight will feature Walt disappearing. If Hank finds Walt and tells him that the blue meth is back on the streets, then he'll know that Jesse has been kidnapped: Jesse was adamant that he'd never cook again. We see in the season 5 opener that Walt is alone, and coughing and taking pills. If he's lost his family and is losing his health, he might see saving Jesse as a final means of redemption.

This is all providing that Todd can't cook the meth alone. Which he quite possibly can.
 
Yes, Walter only acts rash or short-sighted on rare occasions, and it certainly isn't a major part of his character.
I would argue it is and whatever a part those moments where he does act so are critical. A guy who does what Walt did in the first episode of this season won't leave such an evidence for anybody who visits the house can stumble upon. Unless of course you are a writer who decided that Hank would get on Walt's trail at point X and did nothing to have Hank unearth that truth so you have to undertake such a cheap and blunt measure to get the plot rolling where you wanted it to with little regard to nothing else. A measure which would have been justly lambasted by everybody were it to take place in another show who isn't a 'sacred cow' as Breaking Bad seemingly is despite it's flaws and inconsistencies in the past.
 
Without trying to sound like a dummy, where have we gotten the three month figure for the last scene?

I just re-watched everything from the last 15 minutes or so, and I never saw it mentioned. Is it an educated guess based on something obvious that I've missed?
 
Such a weak episode to end the season with. And such a terrible ending. Do we really need any more evidence that the show is overrated and has huge writing flaws that would have been ripped apart in every other show?

They should have ended the season with last week's episode. It would have served as a way better season finale. And this episode would have served much better at next season's opener.

The ending was crap. Deux ex machina all over the place. The writers have provided Hank with a present. 'Oh hey, we reached the final season and Hank is no where close to catching Walt so let's drop the evidence into his lap'. Pft.

Who will leave such an evidence lying there in the bathroom that serves anybody who visits the house, including his wife's sister's husband who is the head of the DEA. The both know about the notebook and the dedication written by Gale, but Walter doesn't mind leaving a book with the same style of dedication signed by the initials of a drug-cooker.

The same Walter who dumped half of his house in the opening episode so there won't be any possibility of connecting Gus' death with him, and even dumping the whole poisonous plant.
When it suits the writing team Walt is the cleverest guy in the world. And when it suits them elsewhere Walt is the dumbest guy in the world.


lol
 
Without trying to sound like a dummy, where have we gotten the three month figure for the last scene?

I just re-watched everything from the last 15 minutes or so, and I never saw it mentioned. Is it an educated guess based on something obvious that I've missed?
marie says it when she says it's time to take back the kids.
 
I skimmed through a few pages, and I didn't see it mentioned, but does anyone else think Walt's cancer has came back? It could explain why he was seeking redemption at the end, and we know that his cancer is likely back in the flash forward.


marie says it when she says it's time to take back the kids.

Do we know how much time has passed between the kids moving in with Hank and Marie and the start of this episode though?
 
I would argue it is and whatever a part those moments where he does act so are critical. A guy who does what Walt did in the first episode of this season won't leave such an evidence for anybody who visits the house can stumble upon. Unless of course you are a writer who decided that Hank would get on Walt's trail at point X and did nothing to have Hank unearth that truth so you have to undertake such a cheap and blunt measure to get the plot rolling where you wanted it to with little regard to nothing else. A measure which would have been justly lambasted by everybody were it to take place in another show who isn't a 'sacred cow' as Breaking Bad seemingly is despite it's flaws and inconsistencies in the past.

Walt is an idiot who decided to become a meth producer because he was dying and feeling like his dick was small. It is absolutely the sort of thing he'd do.

Hank figured it out because of his personal police work regarding Gale, otherwise the note would have meant absolutely nothing to him.
 
I skimmed through a few pages, and I didn't see it mentioned, but does anyone else think Walt's cancer has came back? It could explain why he was seeking redemption at the end, and we know that his cancer is likely back in the flash forward.

that is what is being assumed since he got scanned and then they show the papertowel dispenser in the bathroom had gotten amare stoudamired
 
I would argue it is and whatever a part those moments where he does act so are critical. A guy who does what Walt did in the first episode of this season won't leave such an evidence for anybody who visits the house can stumble upon.

The Walt we see in the first episode of this season left all of the components of making a bomb out on his kitchen counter, for hours, while he blew up Gus and dealt with the aftermath. This was exceedingly careless.

You can tell how careless it was, because he's literally just finished his cleanup and picked up his glass to start drinking when the front door opens and his family comes in. Had he been stuck in traffic, or been delayed talking to Jesse, or had car trouble, his family would have walked in on an entire bomb factory in their kitchen.

Walt has always been semi-careful, but never criminal mastermind careful. Mike has to tell him not to drive his personal car to Vamanos Pest. Mike has to prod him to remove the bug from the DEA. Skylar never manages to get him to stop spending money on stuff they can't afford. Keeping a book with a handwritten message is far from the dumbest thing we've seen him do, this is just the first time his stupidity has actually bit him in the ass.
 
Is it possible that Walt was unaware of the dedication at the beginning of the book Gale gave him? I forget the reaction when he received it, but it could be a show of his aloofness that he never cared enough to check for the first page inscription, and just tossed it the shitter cause it meant that much to him...dunno.
 
Walt is an idiot who decided to become a meth producer because he was dying and feeling like his dick was small. It is absolutely the sort of thing he'd do.

Hank figured it out because of his personal police work regarding Gale, otherwise the note would have meant absolutely nothing to him.

So Walt would dump evidence tying him to one crime but not the other? Really, that's the sort of things he does? Walt isn't an idiot, he's a great chemist and was one of the founders of Gray Matter. Yes, he did slew of stupid stuff down the season but i find laughable that you can sweep under the carpet the fact that he was keeping major evidence against him when he was shown this very season how strict he was in clearing any evidence against him in other cases. So again, they have Walt swinging from brilliance to stupidity with a flick of a finger whenever it suits them.

"Hank figured it out because of his personal police work regarding Gale" - Umm..that's the point! Hank consulted with Walt regarding the netbook so they both know the style of dedication that Gale used. That's the point of the flashback. So Walt kept an evidence he knew would tie him to Gale if Hank were to find it and why wouldn't Hank find it when he's Walt's family-member and would visit his home and bathroom all the time?!
 
So Walt would dump evidence tying him to one crime but not the other? Really, that's the sort of things he does? Walt isn't an idiot, he's a great chemist and was one of the founders of Gray Matter. Yes, he did slew of stupid stuff down the season but i find laughable that you can sweep under the carpet the fact that he was keeping major evidence against him when he was shown this very season how strict he was in clearing any evidence against him in other cases. So again, they have Walt swinging from brilliance to stupidity with a flick of a finger whenever it suits them.
Yes, that is exactly the sort of thing he does. If you think otherwise, you haven't actually been watching the show.


"Hank figured it out because of his personal police work regarding Gale" - Umm..that's the point! Hank consulted with Walt regarding the netbook so they both know the style of dedication that Gale used. That's the point of the flashback. So Walt kept an evidence he knew would tie him to Gale if Hank were to find it and why wouldn't Hank find it when he's Walt's family-member and would visit his home and bathroom all the time?!
You said that Hank did nothing related to police work to figure it out. That's factually untrue.

We also don't know all the details behind the book. How did it end up in the bathroom? Did Walt ever actually see the note in the book?
 
Such a weak episode to end the season with. And such a terrible ending. Do we really need any more evidence that the show is overrated and has huge writing flaws that would have been ripped apart in every other show?

They should have ended the season with last week's episode. It would have served as a way better season finale. And this episode would have served much better at next season's opener.

The ending was crap. Deux ex machina all over the place. The writers have provided Hank with a present. 'Oh hey, we reached the final season and Hank is no where close to catching Walt so let's drop the evidence into his lap'. Pft.

Who will leave such an evidence lying there in the bathroom that serves anybody who visits the house, including his wife's sister's husband who is the head of the DEA. The both know about the notebook and the dedication written by Gale, but Walter doesn't mind leaving a book with the same style of dedication signed by the initials of a drug-cooker.

The same Walter who dumped half of his house in the opening episode so there won't be any possibility of connecting Gus' death with him, and even dumping the whole poisonous plant.
When it suits the writing team Walt is the cleverest guy in the world. And when it suits them elsewhere Walt is the dumbest guy in the world.
Yep, the writers consistently pull everything out of their asses to get the show to fit episode counts. It's become progressively worse each season since the second. Bringing up some forgotten bullshit from 2 seasons ago on the mid-season finale? Those two factors occurring together are not a coincidence. AMC not committing to an end-date for a show conceived with the ending in mind is almost certainly the cause.

That people consider this an opinion from Neptune is striking.
 
that is what is being assumed since he got scanned and then they show the papertowel dispenser in the bathroom had gotten amare stoudamired

Yeah, I thought so.

She said months I thought. Three months or something?

What I mean is, people are assuming that the montage in this episode spanned 3 months because Marie said they had the kids for that length of time. The thing is, we don't know how much time has passed between Marie and Hank getting the kids and the montage in this episode.
 
Just take a look at the first 7-9 episodes of the series to these last eight for a good picture of how far the show's quality has gone downhill.
 
Such a weak episode to end the season with. And such a terrible ending. Do we really need any more evidence that the show is overrated and has huge writing flaws that would have been ripped apart in every other show?

They should have ended the season with last week's episode. It would have served as a way better season finale. And this episode would have served much better at next season's opener.

The ending was crap. Deux ex machina all over the place. The writers have provided Hank with a present. 'Oh hey, we reached the final season and Hank is no where close to catching Walt so let's drop the evidence into his lap'. Pft.

Who will leave such an evidence lying there in the bathroom that serves anybody who visits the house, including his wife's sister's husband who is the head of the DEA. The both know about the notebook and the dedication written by Gale, but Walter doesn't mind leaving a book with the same style of dedication signed by the initials of a drug-cooker.

The same Walter who dumped half of his house in the opening episode so there won't be any possibility of connecting Gus' death with him, and even dumping the whole poisonous plant.
When it suits the writing team Walt is the cleverest guy in the world. And when it suits them elsewhere Walt is the dumbest guy in the world.
Ya'll better get used to posts like these once the show is over. They'll be the majority and there will be notihng you can do to stop it.
 
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