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Tried some RTR sealed in Octgn, although without the guild packs because we couldn't figure out how to do it.

Set is really fun, and it's super tempting to draft 4-5 colors especially when you have stuff like Dreadbore or Abrupt Decay.

(GWU seems to be the strongest)
 
Could somebody list and explain terms to me like "standard"

I'm think I know what it means but I want to know if there are any other terms I should know.

besides card stores what are the best places to buy single cards at?
 
Could somebody list and explain terms to me like "standard"

I'm think I know what it means but I want to know if there are any other terms I should know.

besides card stores what are the best places to buy single cards at?
Standard, Modern, Extended, Legacy, Commander, all denote various "formats", for which a collection of sets are legal to use in officially sanctioned play (or unofficial playgroups abiding by official rules).

Standard usually means the latest 2 Expansions (themed sets) and 1 Core set (Magic Core Set 2011, 2012, etc). You can read about the formats here: http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/resources.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/resources/formats-sanctioned

Unrelated
So I'm looking through the guildpacks as they are listed here: http://www.mythicspoiler.com/azoriusguildpack.html

I wanted to see which guild packs were the best and since I'm writing all of this up I might as well put it here if anyone's interested: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aj1SsEIjF3u-dHVDUkdHTHhJZlRHQ1VWVzJYZU5JSnc

Metric
Ratings go from Awful, Alright, Good, Great

Awful = "I will never play this unless I have absolutely nothing else to put in my deck"
Alright = "I don't mind playing this but it won't catch my eye"
Good = "I want to play this and as I'm going through cards this leaps out at me"
Great = "I want to build a deck around this/play this regardless of what colors I'm using"

Caveats
I did 3 quick 1v1 Sealed games today using OCTGN. These are mostly impressions from those. I made a U/G/W deck, a W/G/B/u deck, and a U/W/R/g/b deck.

Creature destruction almost always warrants a "Good" from me.

Mana fixing always warrants a "Good" from me, but never a "Great". While the shocklands are invaluable in standard, in limited they're just a nice bonus. Honestly, the Gates do just a fine job of making my play more consistent without being rare as well.

Land destruction always warrants a "Good" from me, solely because there will be many players whose shoddy mana bases will be their undoing. If you knock out key lands (such as guild gates), you will win.

Flexibility almost always warrants a "Good" from me. Therefore, all the Charms are "Good" or "Great", even thought I think Izzet and Rakdos are too narrow for Sealed. Hybrid Mana is godlike in this set, and so is splashability.

In contrast to the above, prohibitive mana costs makes me dock points. Stuff like Annihilating Fire, Cancel and Ash Zealot are the worst offenders here.

Some cards, while just okay by themselves, are very good with a deck built around them (Guttersnipe is the main example here). For those cards, I rate them a "Good" under the assumption that you do build around them. Ergo, while Populate is a shitty shitty mechanic in a vacuum, it is very powerful if you can build a Populate deck.

Cards are not rated differently depending on their guildpack. I could've done so but it would've been too complicated to keep consistent.

The keyrunes are great, and I'm certain many players will use them for acceleration and mana fixing, as well as mana dumps when nothing else is available (Azorius Keyrune should not be underestimated as an attacker and Golgari Keyrune is a great blocker)

Since players will be consistently running keyrunes, artifact hate is also pretty good to have, in your sideboard if nowhere else.

Enchantments that scale with number of enchantments sucks, at least, it would be very difficult to make a good enchantment deck. On the other hand, a few enchantments are extremely powerful, most notably Paralyzing Grasp, Arrest and Underworld Connections. Thus, enchantment hate is pretty good to pack.

Findings

Azorius
Great - 8
Good - 20
Alright - 25
Awful - 11

Thoughts: A lot of meh Blue and White creatures are filling those "Alright" and "Awful" slots, but that's not to say Azorius is bad. I also got Archon in all 3 of them, and the Archon is definitely worth its hefty mana cost. Azorius also has a lot of conditional removal in RTR (arrest, paralyzing grasp, azorius charm, avenging arrow), as well as an army of decent to great flyers. Detain is also really strong, and repeatable detain almost as good as straight creature/permanent destruction.

Selesnya
Great - 11
Good - 24
Alright - 23
Awful - 7

Thoughts: Selesnya is really strong, and Populate should not be underestimated. While it may be too slow for Constructed, in a slower environment like RTR limited, it is very powerful. Earlier I said that Slime Molding was a limited bomb, and now I feel that opinion was vindicated by my Populating it every turn with the Guildmage, or other Populate cards that suddenly became instant speed fatties. I won more than one game because I stalled for enough time to start proliferating my huge oozes.

Izzet
Great - 5
Good - 24
Alright - 24
Awful - 9

Thoughts: Izzet can work, provided you make good use of the synergy between many of the creatures and instants/sorceries. It is, however, sorely lacking in bombs, and will probably look to Rakdos and Azorius to supply its game winners. The "Good" rating there is somewhat inflated by all the situationally good cards.

Golgari
Great - 11
Good - 26
Alright - 22
Awful - 7

Thoughts: Golgari, like Selesnya, is also very strong in RTR sealed. Like Selesnya, Golgari will try to crush its opponents with sheer value. It has access to both black (for creature destruction), and green (for mana fixing/value creatures), which are two things any deck needs., and Scavenge is a really good way of recycling chump blockers.

Rakdos
Great - 6
Good - 28
Alright - 20
Awful - 9

Thoughts: I don't play Rakdos, like, ever, so take these numbers with a whole can of Mortons. I think the number of "Good" cards are inflated just like they are for Izzet, because Rakdos has a lot of Izzet-ish cards with worse instants/sorceries. It does have creature destruction, but creature destruction alone doesn't make a deck. A lot of those "Good" cards are also in the rare slot, and you won't be getting more than 3.

TL;DR
Pick Azorius, Selesnya or Golgari if you want to win.
 
Haven't really played magic since high school and I should have come here before I bought anything but last night on a whim I purchased a Booster battle pack? comes with 2 semi random 20 card decks a 2 boosters. I suppose this is not the best place to start with trying to learn magic again.

what should I purchase now to really get me started?
 
Haven't really played magic since high school and I should have come here before I bought anything but last night on a whim I purchased a Booster battle pack? comes with 2 semi random 20 card decks a 2 boosters. I suppose this is not the best place to start with trying to learn magic again.

what should I purchase now to really get me started?

try to hit one of the pre-release events this weekend
 
Haven't really played magic since high school and I should have come here before I bought anything but last night on a whim I purchased a Booster battle pack? comes with 2 semi random 20 card decks a 2 boosters. I suppose this is not the best place to start with trying to learn magic again.

what should I purchase now to really get me started?

The Duels of the Planeswalkers game on consoles, PC, or iPad is pretty great for relearning how to play and is only 10 bucks.

If you want to stick with actual cards a Duel Deck to play with a friend might not be a bad idea. The most recent one, Izzet vs Golgari is pretty fun. Though it does include some fairly complicated cards and mechanics.
 
The Duels of the Planeswalkers game on consoles, PC, or iPad is pretty great for relearning how to play and is only 10 bucks.

If you want to stick with actual cards a Duel Deck to play with a friend might not be a bad idea. The most recent one, Izzet vs Golgari is pretty fun. Though it does include some fairly complicated cards and mechanics.

Physical cards are preferred since that's what the wife likes.
 
We are having midnight, 2pm, 7pm and then 7pm on sunday.

I had to limit myself to midnight and 2pm because I will be drained like crazy already after that.
I would be dead after any others.
 
Really regretting signing up for 4 prerelease events this weekend. Really don't want to play that much anymore.

What! My loins are friggin' aching to play. I'm going to be missing out on the back-to-back tourneys I usually participate in on Saturday because a good friend is getting married. I'm happy to be a part of that and everything, but I still wish he'd chosen next weekend instead. :lol
 
The moment I realized Divine Deflection was a bomb and I was an idiot for passing it up on P1P1 was when I lost to it.
 
Physical cards are preferred since that's what the wife likes.
Are you free this weekend? The prerelease is going to be crazy awesome if you can find one w/ free space. You get a guided experience w/ the sealed deckbuilding and get to pick a color pair.

http://www.wizards.com/magic/quiz/default.aspx?x=mtg/quiz/guild/main is the color quiz. The guilds available in set 1 (Return to Ravnica) are W/U (Azorius), U/R (Izzet), R/B (Rakdos), B/G (Golgari) and G/W (Selesnya.) You can see the different available cards laid out at www.mythicspoiler.com
 
The moment I realized Divine Deflection was a bomb and I was an idiot for passing it up on P1P1 was when I lost to it.

The biggest hamper for that card is the large amount of text on it and how it is isn't perectly intuitive how to use it properly.
 
Are you free this weekend? The prerelease is going to be crazy awesome if you can find one w/ free space. You get a guided experience w/ the sealed deckbuilding and get to pick a color pair.

http://www.wizards.com/magic/quiz/default.aspx?x=mtg/quiz/guild/main is the color quiz. The guilds available in set 1 (Return to Ravnica) are W/U (Azorius), U/R (Izzet), R/B (Rakdos), B/G (Golgari) and G/W (Selesnya.) You can see the different available cards laid out at www.mythicspoiler.com

wow! I actually have nothing going on this weekend. I think I might have to go!
 
Anywhere within 50 miles of 84003 will work.
http://locator.wizards.com/#brand=magic&a=search&p=84003&et=PR

There ya go. Contact the stores directly before making plans- their stock for this event is more limited than normal because you'll be getting a "guild box" with different contents depending on your choice of guild. (Normally everyone just gets 6 packs and a promo card.)

http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/events.aspx?x=mtgcom/events/prerelease-facts

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/214
 
http://locator.wizards.com/#brand=magic&a=search&p=84003&et=PR

There ya go. Contact the stores directly before making plans- their stock for this event is more limited than normal because you'll be getting a "guild box" with different contents depending on your choice of guild. (Normally everyone just gets 6 packs and a promo card.)

http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/events.aspx?x=mtgcom/events/prerelease-facts

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/214

Am I going to look like a fool? like I said in my first post its been probably 10-12 years since I really played Magic. I am completely out of the loop.
 
Am I going to look like a fool? like I said in my first post its been probably 10-12 years since I really played Magic. I am completely out of the loop.
You will not. Just have people go slow. The "Pick a guild" thing is designed to make sealed deck easier for new players since it's a multicolored set.
 
I prob wont be going to a RTR event this weekend but either monday or wednesday a friend and I are gonna go down to the card shop in my area. I wanna go play at least once a week.
 
4-6 hours. Depends how quickly deckbuilding + the rounds go. You should be able to get help if you need it w/ the deckbuilding process btw.

dammit all my wife's family has a family reunion I forgot about.. this is a nightmare right now.

the store did say he had openings for midnight friday.
 
What! My loins are friggin' aching to play. I'm going to be missing out on the back-to-back tourneys I usually participate in on Saturday because a good friend is getting married. I'm happy to be a part of that and everything, but I still wish he'd chosen next weekend instead. :lol

I'm excited but not 2 events per day with essentially no break in between.
 
well my gamestore had spots on Sunday so I will be attending with a friend can't wait!

thanks for the recommendation guys.

hope it can re-spark my love for magic and get me going again.
 
While I think BG is the most obvious guild in strength from the whole set, I think blue white will house the prerelease, with green white a close second.
 
I believe I will be Azorius too!

I just played my first game of Magic in about 12 years (it was only a booster battle pack) we remembered a lot but had a questions that I can't seem to remember.

this is pretty basic stuff so forgive me.

-if I attack with a 2/2 against a 3/2 does the blocker still do damage to me even though my creature killed them on my attack?
 
I believe I will be Azorius too!

I just played my first game of Magic in about 12 years (it was only a booster battle pack) we remembered a lot but had a questions that I can't seem to remember.

this is pretty basic stuff so forgive me.

-if I attack with a 2/2 against a 3/2 does the blocker still do damage to me even though my creature killed them on my attack?

If you are the attacking player, never. If you are on defense, the only time you would take damage is if the attacker has trample
 
I believe I will be Azorius too!

I just played my first game of Magic in about 12 years (it was only a booster battle pack) we remembered a lot but had a questions that I can't seem to remember.

this is pretty basic stuff so forgive me.

-if I attack with a 2/2 against a 3/2 does the blocker still do damage to me even though my creature killed them on my attack?

No, their creature won't do any damage to you. If they were attacking you the 3/2 and you blocked with the 2.2 it would also not deal damage to you unless it has the ability Trample
 
I was totally going to be Azorius too. But I was totally planning this for awhile before all the "Azorius will probably be best" articles. *shifty eyes*

At my smaller one I'll go... Selesnya? Because Populate could be sweet, if you get the right deck.
 
I'm thinking Selesnya at the moment but we'll see what my THG partner wants to do. Rakdos does seem the weakest in Limited so far, but I haven't actually played with anything yet, so...
 
Are the stores going to have enough for everybody to choose? Or could you theoretically get locked out of a guild if they run out of the promo boosters for that guild?

If it's a first-come-first-served situation, you'd be well served to get there early.
 
While I think BG is the most obvious guild in strength from the whole set, I think blue white will house the prerelease, with green white a close second.
From my experience, it's not. If you do Golgari, you will be leaning toward Selesnya very often.

My current ranking is:
Selesnya
Azorius
Golgari
Rakdos
Izzet

Golgari is dragged down by having Rakdos as its "friend" guild, (that is, you will be able to splash red to get access to Rakdos cards), while Rakdos is dragged down by Izzet.

Azorius and Selesnya are both very close, because Azorius will be able to splash for Selesnya and vice versa.
 
I'm thinking Selesnya at the moment but we'll see what my THG partner wants to do. Rakdos does seem the weakest in Limited so far, but I haven't actually played with anything yet, so...

Yea on paper Rakdos looks pretty bad, but they do have some fantastic utility/removal cards. Seems like it'd be worth splashing some black if you're izzet.
 
Yea on paper Rakdos looks pretty bad, but they do have some fantastic utility/removal cards. Seems like it'd be worth splashing some black if you're izzet.

Rakdos has some very nice speedy meatballs. Dead reveler and splatter thug. If you are heavy in rakdos, you don't care about blocking.
 
So I signed up for both tourneys on Sat, picked Selesnya as first, Golgari as second. Saw on the sign up sheet some of the regular guys that are decent picked Azorius though.

I know Rakdos just doesn't seem that great, (like almost no one picked them)but maybe the hurry up offense could be better than I think? Eh.
 
Rakdos' main problem is that it's wildly inconsistent. A good Rakdos deck will be difficult to beat but Selesnya and Azorius both offer just as much if not more strength but with consistency in their common/uncommon slot to back it up.
 
Quick question for MagicGaf:

Can you sacrifice Gravecrawler to Carrion Feeder in response to someone casting Swords to Plowshares on it causing the Swords to fizzle?

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I missed it as I had to work but this came up in last nights session causing some debate in the speed that sacrificing occurs and the stack. Had I been there I would of said the Swords fizzles as the sacrifice happens first.
 
Absolutely.

While Swords is on the stack, you can activate the Carrion Feeder's ability. To pay for that ability, you sacrifice the Gravecrawler. When the Swords subsequently attempts to resolve, it fails because the Gravecrawler has moved zones and is no longer a valid target.
 
Rakdos' main problem is that it's wildly inconsistent. A good Rakdos deck will be difficult to beat but Selesnya and Azorius both offer just as much if not more strength but with consistency in their common/uncommon slot to back it up.

Rakdos will be very strong early, but has to seal the deal or at least have the game critical within a very short time or they will be in trouble.
They will be very hard to match up with early on, but once the other side is able to stabilize they may find trouble depending on the packs they opened and choices they made.

Golgari (me) is in a similar situation where it is a fine line of controlling the field because while they have some very good things in the mid range they can not match up at the high end with others.

And thus starts what will be a really realllllly long assed day and the start of a weekend of Magic the Gathering
 
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