Resident Evil 6 - Review Thread | Activist Reviews and the Hate Patrol Destroy Truth™

d0c_zaius said:
nah its just ok.

it gets more love than it should because it's not re5 horrible.



because Dark Souls actually shows forethought when using design to convey how to use these mechanics. RE6 has me entering a stumble animation when I walk over zombies I can't see because its too dark and the camera is stuck to my ass.
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Damn, was hoping it wouldnt be as dark as the demo. I adjusted, but still.
 
Fantastical said:
He's saying people rated it high for reasons other than actually liking the game.
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Yet Jeff has spoken of his dislike of RE for a good while.

It is ok for him or anyone to dislike it, yet he cannot be used as a barometer to guide if others think the game is good or not. This is the same guy that doesn't like Dark/Demon Souls, a game that is pretty much beloved by plenty of people. He's not wrong by disliking it, but doesn't meant that others won't justifiably will like the game.
 
El-Suave said:
The superiority complex of the American games media over the European outlets is quite baffling. At least our magazines still have enough support to survive (without quasi forced subscriptions originating from a broken retail system). Alienating your readership continously with bought review scores doesn't work in a market that still works.
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Huh? Most informed American gamers would agree that Eurogamer is one of the most respected review sources around.

Famitsu, on the other hand, repeatedly finds itself on the wrong side of history.
 
Neiteio said:
I don't doubt that money hats have changed hands before, but it can happen in both mediums, which is why it's all sort of a moot point. Perhaps I'm also more inclined to believe a reviewer can conceivably like this game because I myself went from hating the demo to liking the demo and at points even -loving- the demo, all without forcing myself to "like" it -- I was drawn back on a whim, by some odd compulsion to give it another go. I certainly never -needed- this game for my gamer soul -- there are plenty of other games to play and replay -- but I was drawn back regardless. And while it took a few trips through the same demo areas, trying different things in different ways, I found my groove, it clicked, and now I know what to expect, how to approach things and how to have fun. Which brings me back to the point that, perhaps, the positive reviews did like it. And maybe the negative ones could come around with time. But time is something you don't have in a review. Maybe that explains some of the middling reviews on GAF darling (and one of my personal GOTY contenders) Sleeping Dogs.
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I do actually remember reading a piece by a writer for one of these official mags, can't remember which one or in which part of the world it was, but it was basically this guy saying that he truly did love games like a son. I think he was addressing his ludriculously high Arkham City score, like 98% or something, and how he basically ascended to gaming nirvana whilst playing it. It was pretty weird.

I never got my head around that kind of experience, so maybe that's why I'm usually suspecting other motives (coupled with previous evidence of such happenings, see my reply to curufinwe). I'm more comfortable with seedy business realities than a man enjoying a video game a tad too much :lol

El-Suave said:
The superiority complex of the American games media over the European outlets is quite baffling. At least our magazines still have enough support to survive (without quasi forced subscriptions originating from a broken retail system). Alienating your readership continously with bought review scores doesn't work in a market that still works as it should.
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I'm British. And my general experience with the official mags is, the reviews usually are the worst bit- they use the reviews as means of advertising, whilst the actual content is in previews, letters pages, features etc etc. I remember NOM UK's reviews being DOGSHIT, but the magazine was hilarious, and that's what kept me buying. I imagine their 98% Prime 2 review got others into it.
 
CosmicGroinPull said:
Hmm... guess I can postpone buying this game. Looks like the common consensus is the lack of a strong guiding hand behind this game.

RE4 = made by a genius
RE5 = someone trying to copy that genius
RE6 = bunch of people trying to copy that genius?
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It's more like RE4 was a huge success, RE5 tried to emulate that - which may have resulted in a "more of the same" feel, and RE6 tries to emulate the successes of the dozens of Third Person Shooters that came out after RE4, turning it into an overly bloated, explosion filled clusterfuck.
 
GavinGT said:
The component actions that made up the bulk of the game - headshotting guys, knocking down ladders, slashing boxes, running backwards, jumping through windows - were not at all fun to me. It sacrificed everything I liked about the first three Resident Evils in favor of slightly better combat (which, again, I didn't enjoy).
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I don't think those elements are the bulk of the game, and I'm sure that "slightly better combat" is an understatement. Since from RE2 the game basically aimed for you.

There so much more than knocking down ladders, like the different melees movements, the enemy design and their patterns, the importance of crowd control, the exciting setpieces a lot of them overly copied in RE5 and RE6, the significative differences between weapons and how they could make the game feel totally different depending of your weapon loadout, the mercs mode which Capcom still is leeching off even several years after, etc...

Is one of the most fine and polished third person shooter ever. Is just a different type of game than the old RE games.
 
Teknoman said:
Damn, was hoping it wouldnt be as dark as the demo. I adjusted, but still.
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Well to be fair, I was specifically talking about parts of Leons story, not the entire game in general. The decisions to force the camera into bad positions and add a stumble animation seem odd to be though, especially given the intentional lighting in some areas. Meleeing crawling enemies also becomes a "run around and look for icon to activate move" rather than feel like an action game, if that was their intention. When you have two people and a room full of zombies, it just becomes a melee mash fest as you wait for the hit to properly track an enemy.

and f bloom.
 
Relaxed Muscle said:
I don't think those elements are the bulk of the game, and I'm sure that "slightly better combat" is an understatement. Since from RE2 the game basically aimed for you.

There so much more than knocking down ladders, like the different melees movements, the enemy design and their patterns, the importance of crowd control, the exciting setpieces a lot of them overly copied in RE5 and RE6, the significative differences between weapons and how they could make the game feel totally different depending of your weapon loadout, the mercs mode which Capcom still is leeching off even several years after, etc...

Is one of the most fine and polished third person shooter ever. Is just a different type of game than the old RE games.
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I listed an example of the actions in the game, not a comprehensive list. Again, I just didn't find it fun. If this makes me an unreliable source for game quality, then so be it. But there are definitely people that didn't think RE4 was the hottest thing going.
 
I truly wish I could find more reviewers who never played past Resident Evil games and went into 6 as their first (without it being a joke/comedy bit) and base it just on what the game gives and nothing more. All this back and forth is quite amusing of course, but there are always seems to be a certain underlying message that is valid, but I'm tired of hearing.

Oh well, hilarious thread. Been worth reading all of it for the valid insight and other tangents.
 
RE6 is to videogames as Transformers 2 was to movies. Is that the general consensus? I wonder if the C virus is hiding inside Leon's jacket the whole time.
 
People are talking about money hats in exchange for reviews, but isn't one of the biggest issues with sites/mags being scared of having support pulled from them by big publishers? As in no more preview codes, previews events, review codes etc.? That's not really a money hat issue. Most of these places live and breathe based on that support. Take it away and they go away.

I remember this from the Rage thread after the reviews for it started rolling in

Hahah..Scandinavia not giving Rage some love (mediocre game) is now affecting Skyrim reviews...or rather access.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31545587&postcount=5010
 
koryuken said:
RE6 is to videogames as Transformers 2 was to movies. Is that the general consensus? I wonder if the C virus is hiding inside Leon's jacket the whole time.
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Any time someone makes a comparison to a movie it is stupid. Doesn't matter if it is Transfomers 2 or Citizen Kane.
 
Tookay said:
Isn't he always?

Dude's a douche* with horrible opinions and barely plays games correctly.

*who had one redeeming moment standing up against corporate money and doing the job he was supposed to do in the first place, giving him apparently five years of internet street cred
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hahaha jesus fucking christ gaf.
 
this thread is fun. not suprised by the reviews given the demo. i'll give it a try when it's cheap.

activist reviewer lol. that said i wish the press had done some activist reviewing on skyrim to punish them for the shameful ps3 version.

EmCeeGramr said:
Agreed: Shinji Mikami is a symbol of good luck, and his "death" was a curse upon Capcom.
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haha
 
SolidSnakex said:
People are talking about money hats in exchange for reviews, but isn't one of the biggest issues with sites/mags being scared of having support pulled from them by big publishers? As in no more preview codes, previews events, review codes etc.? That's not really a money hat issue. Most of these places live and breathe based on that support. Take it away and they go away.

I remember this from the Rage thread after the reviews for it started rolling in



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31545587&postcount=5010
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Same thing happened to Ben Kuchera, he dumped all over Rage in a review and then was mad when Bethesda didn't send him an advance review copy of Skyrim.

Still though you would think if you had any kind of integrity at all you would just take your lumps and review your own store bought copy.
 
Lord-Audie said:
Yet Jeff has spoken of his dislike of RE for a good while.

It is ok for him or anyone to dislike it, yet he cannot be used as a barometer to guide if others think the game is good or not. This is the same guy that doesn't like Dark/Demon Souls, a game that is pretty much beloved by plenty of people. He's not wrong by disliking it, but doesn't meant that others won't justifiably will like the game.
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You understand his consistent point of view and attitude towards games, but can't use him as barometer, for whether you might like a certain game or not? Isn't understanding somebody's point of view on games, in contrast with your own, the whole useful part of a review?
 
my god, that bad this time? I guess I am glad I didn't rush to get an early copy from my local Argos on Sunday after getting excited by their London viral stunt.
 
Bpatrol said:
hahaha jesus fucking christ gaf.
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Why do people do this?

When some outlier posts something ridiculous, it's "lol, gaf." "never change, gaf." "holy shit, gaf."

You're part of gaf, too. Most people aren't posting crazy shit. Don't attribute minority opinions and statements to the community at large (of which you are also a part)!
 
Bpatrol said:
hahaha jesus fucking christ gaf.
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And why is this so laughable, exactly? It's not like he's saying this just because of the reviews. Hell, I've said the same thing about the guy before in real life, more or less - I wouldn't curse him out, but that's because I don't hear about him too much.
 
Crewnh said:
Sure if we're changing the definition of great to mediocre. But I understand why people like it so much. After RE5, I imagine many a fan would try to make themselves think a poor facsimile of classic RE is a revelaiton.
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Or maybe you have terrible taste and call things that are genuinely good, from audiovisual presentation to controls, mechanics and gameplay in general, mediocre. Now you go and think about that.
 
Haunted said:
Joke's on anyone taking Famitsu scores seriously. It's known that scores can be bought outright or are inflated to prop up the domestic industry.
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I think moneyhatting reviews can't get any more blatant than this considering the low scores from elsewhere.

EmCeeGramr said:
I wonder if Capcom will stop and wonder if the two most Western-style RE games released also getting the worst scores is somehow connected.
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They'll care when sales bomb.
 
Zefah said:
Why do people do this?

When some outlier posts something ridiculous, it's "lol, gaf." "never change, gaf." "holy shit, gaf."

You're part of gaf, too. Most people aren't posting crazy shit. Don't attribute minority opinions and statements to the community at large (of which you are also a part)!
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"Whatever, I'm better than you nerds."
 
Lucentto said:
The next mainline Resident Evil game will be handed off to a Western developer now.
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shit man you're probably right... that doesn't make me super happy

Tookay said:
Isn't he always?

Dude's a douche* with horrible opinions and barely plays games correctly.

*who had one redeeming moment standing up against corporate money and doing the job he was supposed to do in the first place, giving him apparently five years of internet street cred
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hahahaha oh wow thisisneogaf.gif
 
SolidSnakex said:
People are talking about money hats in exchange for reviews, but isn't one of the biggest issues with sites/mags being scared of having support pulled from them by big publishers? As in no more preview codes, previews events, review codes etc.? That's not really a money hat issue. Most of these places live and breathe based on that support. Take it away and they go away.

I remember this from the Rage thread after the reviews for it started rolling in



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31545587&postcount=5010
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I gave RAGE a 3 out of 5 last fall. I got Dishonored last Friday. I gave Medal of Honor a 6 out of 10, and was one of the first people to get BF3 review code. Polygon gave Steel Battalion kinect a 1 out of 10, and we got RE6 in early September.

Publishers CAN blacklist publications and reviewers. It just doesn't happen as often as you might think. The only consideration I give to it is that we make our arguments well and don't take cheap shots. Those are the only things I think we owe publishers/developers, to give their games a fair shake and not to make personal insults.
 
there were a group of sites shitting on the game on twitter back when the negativity thread was full storm two weeks ago. anyone remember what sites those were from?
 
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