EmCeeGramr
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It would only be acceptable if Vinny was there and yet another portrait was included in the game.
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The Giant Bomb Quick Look Thread 2
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It would only be acceptable if Vinny was there and yet another portrait was included in the game.
Vampire On Titus
Member
Which genres? The progression of different design trends coming in to favor dosen't invalidate the old trends and the fun they can offer.
What genre's have made these massive advancements that makes the old games heartbreaking? FPS? Quake is still one of the best. Racing? Mario Kart on SNES the same. Fighting? Street Fighter 2 the same. RPG? Chrono Trigger still one of the best. I can think of countless examples for each genre.
Unless people mean Atari 2600 era one button games (and even some of those are executing on a simple enough concept to be cool, like Pitfall or Keystone Capers. Probably even more I'm not too familiar with this era of gaming.), then I'm not seeing it. Every era NES and forward still have great games, and the ones that are bad are just bad not "dated".
It is a lazy, easy criticism. Often times dudes on GB pull it without even thinking. Jeff once criticized Killzone 3, saying "it feels dated, like a shooter made at least 2 years ago". Which would be 2009 for the time that game was released. Ryan has several times said, before JSR was ever even re-released, that he didn't like JSR because it was dated and didnt have right stick camera control. Saying that he preferred Jet Set Radio Future because it did. Jet Set Radio Future dosen't have right stick camera control.
It's funny, I'm pretty young, grew up during the end of the N64/PS1 era and throughout to the PS2/GC and Xbox. The whole reason I got big in to playing retro games was because of this GameSpot feature. In it; Jeff and Ryan and Brad (and other gamespot editors) talking about how cool all these old NES games were. I'm glad I got to see them say that, because the games were cool. It's a bit of a shame to think that a similar thing could happen in reverse to discourage GB viewers who don't know better into not giving older games a shot because they're "dated".
It's not the same, back then video games as a concept in general were a new thing people were figuring out. By the time the N64 and PS1 came along there were seasoned developer veterans who wouldn't put lower their standard to put out a crap product. Mario 64 was an N64 launch game. Still a fantastic game today.
Sure there were dudes putting out Bubsy 3D's at the same time who clearly didn't have a handle on 3D game development. But those games are terrible, not "dated".
Out of all of the criticisms to level at the GiantBomb staff, the "the only produce X videos a week so they aren't working hard" one has never made much sense. It's not like they record two Quick Look and then go home for the day. Reviews can take a very long time to produce; it takes time to decide which games to cover; it takes time to play around with games for a while before starting Quick Looks.
More importantly, there is plenty of bland, behind the scenes logistics to deal with. Meetings with higher ups, getting ready for flights and booking hotels, filling out expense reports, work with random PR people in the games industry, internal discussions about how to improve the website, and so on. It shouldn't be hard to imagine how they could all be very busy week to week.
That being said, I'd surely like to see more content. I'm assuming that it would help them greatly to get at least one more video editor/production person on the staff so Vinny and Drew aren't stretched as thinly as they seem to be.
More importantly, there is plenty of bland, behind the scenes logistics to deal with. Meetings with higher ups, getting ready for flights and booking hotels, filling out expense reports, work with random PR people in the games industry, internal discussions about how to improve the website, and so on. It shouldn't be hard to imagine how they could all be very busy week to week.
That being said, I'd surely like to see more content. I'm assuming that it would help them greatly to get at least one more video editor/production person on the staff so Vinny and Drew aren't stretched as thinly as they seem to be.
shadyspace
Banned
All of this. I'd bet my life that when people in our generation take over the games writing business you're not gonna hear anybody say they can't "go back" to games like Conker's Bad Fur Day, Perfect Dark and F-Zero X.
Quick Looks fix all the problems I have with video reviews. Mainly, they give me an actual impression on how a game plays. Video reviews are antiquated and should be retired on other sites. They take up a ton of resources for little actual payoff. I had to stop watching them completely because they are so video-intensive that they often contain late-game spoilers.
Haunted
Member
Couldn't really get into the first one on PSN, but I'd play a Joe Danger complete collection on PC, kinda like what was announced for Trials.
100% agreed. The Quick Look/Let's Play/Let's Look At/WTFis... format has replaced any need for video reviews. Shit is outdated.
Joe Danger 2 is coming to PC. Jeff and Ryan didn't seem to know about that either.
Super Mario Kart is pretty garbage. It has an amazing soundtrack, but the controls aren't so hot.
I am horrified D=
Haunted
Member
Oh, is it? That's cool. I quickly checked wikipedia and it didn't mention that.
Wait, where'd you get that idea?
Hot Coldman
Banned
Um, Jeff said it? Didn't he? On the SimGolf thing? Super Mario Bros Lost Levels?
Obviously, you know better than me, so if I'm mistaken, sorry!
You've never worked in an office before, have you? It's six people by the way, and we all work way more than 40 hours a week.
I really need to stop being bothered by this sort of thing.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Yeah I dunno, I'd guess it was a joke. First I've heard of it! When was that in the stream?
Well, we're certainly interested in what you guys think and I'd personally like to have more of a dialogue about things, but it's rare to come here without seeing some kind of irrational outburst maligning our intelligence or work ethic or GAMER CRED, which I obviously don't respond to well. The only solution, as you say, is probably to visit the forum less. :\
You forgot Alex.
Alex does a lot of important stuff, I just meant the guys who are in a position to do video content, which is what the gaping Internet maw seems to want more and more of.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Did he suggest a game? I've always thought Brad and Vinny playing thru REmake on the GameCube would be a great feature, particularly around Halloween.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/05/24/revisiting-the-resident-evil-remake
The Type C controls really make it a lot better, aside from all the other improvements on the original.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Yeah, he says Super Mario Bros 2 for the Famicom Disk System (that's Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels to you and me).
The important work he does is obviously work no one else has to do instead, though. I'm saying this without necessarily agreeing with whatever the original argument was here.
bender
What time is it?
Try not to focus on the negative. Most of us love what you guys do.
edit: Felix said it way better below.
Felix Lighter
Member
I'd say you typically don't need to respond to something if you consider it to be irrational. Irrational comments are recognized by the majority of the posters in the thread and are normally called out. Focus on the rational feedback, positive and negative. If you read these threads from a less personal point of view, which I'm sure is tough to do, you'd probably see that the majority of the posts are positive and a good portion of the complaints are from people who just want to see more of what they enjoy about Giant Bomb.
Don't respond to trolls it will make you happier.
Plus the irrational trolls will always watch no matter what since they love to bitch so no need to waste time on them.
The mistake I make is always assuming the intensely negative posts represent the majority opinion rather than being the outliers they most likely are, which probably says more about my neuroses than the level of discourse around here.
Infinite Justice
Member
dont let it get to you man
and are you assigned to the DragonballZ and/or Harry Potter kinect games? lol
At least you're not doing it in the thread that's named after you. Now that really would be silly.
Worse, I think Brad has to play Fable The Journey.
I think it's the double edged sword of the gonzo direction you guys have taken, your content is such a direct reflection of your staff, that people who consume it and effectively review that content, do so unabashed.
It would be like if every game you reviewed was Dyad/Everyday Shooter, etc, things that are a direction reflection of their creator. Trashing those products is almost certainly hurtful to those creators, unlike something like RE6, where hundreds of people are responsible for it.
When GAF shits on IGN, or Gamespot, or Eurogamer, etc, they shit on the whole broad company, when they shit on GB, it's on an individual.
I'm sure those negative posts also just stand out way more to you, they cut through the noise so to speak. Be a shame if you visited and posted less as one of the best things about this community is some of the insight and access it provides to guys like you, indies, big studio devs etc.
Don't forget all the love thrown your way during the end of the BLLSL thread when you were gunning for the Mile High achievement!
ThusZarathustra
Member
This reads like something a shitty middle manager would write/think.
Earthpainting
Member
It's sadly the nature of the medium. I consider myself a Giant Bomb fan, but I hardly ever feel like leaving positive impressions. I've come to expect being entertained, and don't like coming across as boot licking, turning this into a 'no news is good news' sort of situation. However if something doesn't sit right with me on the other hand, I'll be more inclined to make myself heard. I can't imagine I'm alone in this sort of reasoning, which would skew the balance of the feedback in favour of the more negative stuff.
Haunted
Member
Well, you do recognise it's a mistake yourself... so stop making that wrongful assumption?
I feel the atmosphere in the GB threads is mostly positive, you choosing to reply almost exclusively to the negative is doing yourself a disservice - makes sense why visiting NeoGAF is not that much fun to you. Let the haters be and concentrate on the interesting points made about substantial topics (instead of personal critiques) and you'll probably have a much better time here. ^^
Also very true. Sometimes it just comes with the territory.
Still, engaging the haters exclusively is not the right answer. Goes for Brad, goes for devs posting on GAF, twitch streamers and their chats etc etc.
Well, you do recognise it's a mistake yourself... so stop making that wrongful assumption?
I feel the atmosphere in the GB threads is mostly positive, you choosing to reply almost exclusively to the negative is doing yourself a disservice - makes sense why visiting NeoGAF is not that much fun to you. Let the haters be and concentrate on the interesting points made about substantial topics (instead of personal critiques) and you'll probably have a much better time here. ^^
Also very true. Sometimes it just comes with the territory.
Still, engaging the haters exclusively is not the right answer. Goes for Brad, goes for devs posting on GAF, twitch streamers and their chats etc etc.
I was reminded by Indie Game The Movie (finally watched it last night) that Jon Blow had developed a reputation for doing exactly this back when Braid came out, which made me want to step back and check my own posting tendencies.
Just ignore the overly bitchy ones. If there's a legit complaint then sure answer but whinging and moaning over stuff like you guys not doing enough work is a waste of time for you. Most posters, including myself, love you guys. The other GB thread isn't #teambrad for nothing!
Yeah, it should be clear by the amount of attention that Giantbomb gets around here that people like it, and the guys that are a part of it. (Since it's really a personality site as much or more than a gaming site)
Sometimes I agree with them, sometimes I disagree, and sometimes they flat-out piss me off, but at the end of the day, I like what they're doing and keep going back to the site because I like it.
Haunted
Member
Yeah, fair enough. Browsing on GAF should never become something you don't enjoy. McMillen did the same thing when he deleted his twitter account.
Both he and Blow are still active on the internet, answering questions on Formspring and posting on their respective blogs, but clearly not as obsessively as before.
bistromathics
facing a bright new dawn
yea, same here.
Baconsammy
Banned
You weren't this uptight back in our IRC days. =)
I blame the video game industry. It changed you, man. Where's the Brad that spoke proudly of his all cereal diet? skyejack, btw. It's cool to see you still working at something you were passionate about way back then.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Hot Coldman
Banned
Nice.
wow.