Brad Grenz
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It is a next gen Gamecube. Unfortunately for Nintendo, that generation launched 7 years ago.
Rumor: Wii U final specs
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It is a next gen Gamecube. Unfortunately for Nintendo, that generation launched 7 years ago.
Smurfman256
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Gemüsepizza;43069607 said:
Obviously you didn't read the rest of Iwata Asks. The R&D team said that they litterally spent MONTHS trying to cool the damned thing becasue it was so hot. They got around it by placing small holes all around the edges of the console and having a heatshield guard.
brochiller
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Gemüsepizza;43069607 said:
We already knew it wouldn't be using much power. I believe 75W at max load an 45 under normal operating conditions is what Iwata said.
So Wii U is GameCube's true successor confirmed? Or GameCube 2.
Smurfman256
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If the PS4 and Durango are the Original Xbox, then the Wii U is the GameCube.
4x512MB. Probably standard 4Gbit DDR3 chips.
Samurai_Heart
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I wouldn't try to reason with him if you looked at his post history :\ it's quite obvious reasoning with him will be quite hard especially Wii U topic wise...
See what I mean...
He must not be making games for it.
That works for me lol, what helps the whole thing is Pikmin 3 is coming to Wii U which helps the whole GameCube 2.
Brad Grenz
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FTFY
brochiller
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lol, beat me to it.
Trevelyan9999
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Next Gen Gamecube when comparing this to how state of the art the Gamecube was. The Wii U will perform best with ground up made games, just like the Gamecube did. If you look at the design of the Wii U in that interview, it bears very little resemblance to the Xbox 360 or PS3.
They worked very very hard to get modern performance based on new technology in a small low power package and it wasn't easy. It's a next generation console beyond the HD twins and will be able to perform extremely well even when the next Xbox or Playstation comes out. I think they made it pretty clear in the interview.....I also like how proud Akagi is of the CPU and hope people will be impressed by what it do for the Wii U.
Scalemail Ted
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Gamecube launched in 2001
he's referring to the current gen. previously known as the next gen in the gc/xbox/ps2 gen.
I'd still like to wait for confirmation on the CPU. The consensus on the GPU and RAM however seem to be good, however.
Gemüsepizza
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So you think because there are some small holes and a heatshield guard, the CPU/GPU must be very powerful, even if there is only a tiny heatsink and a tiny fan? The "problems" they had were because they wanted a console with that case for that price.
I think you will be disappointed if you believe this.
Shin Johnpv
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Don't forget the heatspreader is not the size of the CPU. Plus the 2500k includes a 1 more core, a GPU, and a lot more cache than the Wii-U's CPU.
Edit*
I don't think this image is for Sandy Bridge, but it should give you an idea of the actual size of all that above under the heat spreader on your CPU.
Brad Grenz
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Don't forget the heatspreader is not the size of the CPU. Plus the 2500k includes a 1 more core, a GPU, and a lot more cache than the Wii-U's CPU.
An i5 is manufactured on a process 2 generations smaller, and the WiiU CPU still looks like it's 1/4th the die size.
Or perhaps he knows just a little bit more than you...
Nah, nevermind. What was I thinking?
Trevelyan9999
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Wii U's MCM Frankenstein separated yet joined CPU & GPU:
AMD e6760:
AMD Fusion:
The speculation of the e6760 was so close!
I'm thinking that this Frankenstein approach may have been the only way Nintendo could get the Wii U so low on the power consumption, yet yield performance that would possibly be equal or greater than a Fusion design.
The CPU placement definitely is the most interesting part in my opinion.....
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AMD e6760:
AMD Fusion:
The speculation of the e6760 was so close!
I'm thinking that this Frankenstein approach may have been the only way Nintendo could get the Wii U so low on the power consumption, yet yield performance that would possibly be equal or greater than a Fusion design.
The CPU placement definitely is the most interesting part in my opinion.....
It's ALIVE!
Shin Johnpv
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Depends on the i5 you're talking about. He mentioned a 2500k which is 32nm, which is not 2 process generations smaller than what the wii-u CPU is rumored to be at. Besides the fact that you're ignoring that the i5 includes a GPU, another core, way more cache, and other things the Wii U CPU doesn't.
If you stripped a sandy or ivy bridge down to just 3 CPU cores and 1/3 the cache it'd be like 1/4 the die size as well.
Smurfman256
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Umm...45nm has been confirmed by IBM...Either way, you are right. 32nm is only one process generation smaller.
I count about 6 big ones (probably used for outdoor scenes) and 10ish smaller ones likely used for items in games.
So guys, how many shaders does this thing have?
Ya.
Hehe, I was hoping the discussion would get more into the CPU as I was reading that but alas.
Smurfman256
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Shin Johnpv
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My mistake I didn't know 45nm was confirmed.
Trevelyan9999
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Only a few mentions of the CPU:
"First of all, adoption of a multi-core CPU8 for the first time. By having multiple CPU cores in a single LSI chip, data can be processed between the CPU cores and with the high-density on-chip memory much better, and can now be done very efficiently with low power consumption."
Akagi: "I worked on the SDK18 and absolutely love CPUs! (laughs) So I myself have been happy to see how far game consoles have come. I hope people will be impressed by the types of software enabled by the CPU."
Iwata: "I like the way you say you love CPUs! (laughs) It turned out to be a CPU without any strange habitsone that runs just the way you expect."
It seems very positive about the CPU for what was said about it. It will get the job done.
"First of all, adoption of a multi-core CPU8 for the first time. By having multiple CPU cores in a single LSI chip, data can be processed between the CPU cores and with the high-density on-chip memory much better, and can now be done very efficiently with low power consumption."
Akagi: "I worked on the SDK18 and absolutely love CPUs! (laughs) So I myself have been happy to see how far game consoles have come. I hope people will be impressed by the types of software enabled by the CPU."
Iwata: "I like the way you say you love CPUs! (laughs) It turned out to be a CPU without any strange habitsone that runs just the way you expect."
It seems very positive about the CPU for what was said about it. It will get the job done.
Gemüsepizza
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But what job? Running current gen games without too much optimization? Sure. Running a few nice Nintendo exclusives? Yes. But running Battlefield 4 Nextgen with 64 players and full-scale destruction?
DragonSworne
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Gemüsepizza;43070970 said:
Yes
The ram design is what nintendo has wanted out of cube architecture and never got it out of gc or WII. With a modern design and their philosophy I'm eager to see what capcom, retro, ubisoft, and nintendo will do considering they are the only ones to really push what gc/wii was capable of.
perfectchaos007
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So a month later has anything new been unveiled? Are the rumors true? Has a Final Model WiiU unit been taken apart?
Yup, by Nintendo a short while ago.
Gemüsepizza
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I don't really understand what you are saying, are you suggesting the Wii U is a current gen console? I did talk about a nextgen game and nextgen consoles.
That's actually hilarious. I did not talk about graphics in my example, I did talk about player count and gameplay possibilites. Now, how important is that for you...?
perfectchaos007
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Were the OP's rumor specs confirmed?
Gemüsepizza;43071688 said:
Do we know what will happen Next-Gen? No, we can only guess. And some of these guesses are based on this gen. This gen, games have been build on XBOX 360 and ported towards PS3. What happens if we translate this gen towards the upcoming one? Will it play out the same way just with changed numbers? Will they run your "What if.." game smoothly with atleast 60fps and finally Full HD? Will your " What if .." game even happen? Or will it be a freetoplay flashgame with Smartglass-connectivity?
Considering what happened, I´m afraid I probably have some bad news for you....
Fourth Storm
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Great news that the 32 MB edram is right on the GPU die. That means massive bandwidth and crazy low latency.
CaptNfantasy
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Not for me.
Brad Grenz
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My condolences. Have you considered picking up a used 360 for $75?
phosphor112
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I see 4 chips of ram, unless those 4... are... something completely different, which I doubt.
Agreed with most of it, and yeah, while the cell was oversold (which is an understatement) it still has a performance of ~200 GFLOPS, which is really great for it's electricity output.
Typically that's how eDRAM works, lol..
Well from the reactions it seems like Nintendo did what is expected and that they are makn a habit of since the GC. Try to find the ultimate sweet spot in power and price. The Wii was a bit lacking in power and missed a bit in my opinion.
The Wii U is comming out with something not even the GC or Wii had and that is a head start. We dont know what future games will be like but could anyone argue it wouldnt play everything available on Steam right now? So maybe stretch it out a few years and you have Wii U.
All things considered if they strike the same balance of their previous consoles (which they are always trying to do with fast ram low latency ect ect)in just the streamlining of performance and development of game I dont see how they arent in a good spot.
The Wii U is comming out with something not even the GC or Wii had and that is a head start. We dont know what future games will be like but could anyone argue it wouldnt play everything available on Steam right now? So maybe stretch it out a few years and you have Wii U.
All things considered if they strike the same balance of their previous consoles (which they are always trying to do with fast ram low latency ect ect)in just the streamlining of performance and development of game I dont see how they arent in a good spot.
I Stalk Alone
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Gemüsepizza;43070970 said:
1 MIRRION TROOPS
Wii is not 7 years old and it wasn't really a "GC" as far as wonder goes.
If you're meaning the 360, in no way, shape or form can that consoles be considered optimally efficient and elegantly designed.
Christberg
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I swear to god, one of these days I'm going to have to do a side by side SKU comparison with the launch X360 models vs. the Wii U just to kill this ridiculous garbage. The Wii U has significant advantages over the current models. Comparing it to the launch version of the system and coming up with "comparable" requires nostalgia goggles of the opaque variety.