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[Terrell]

PS4 will be in some serious trouble if what Sony is doing for the Vita right now is all they got.

Yeah, that one line is going to haunt Sony.

Sony has cared so little about Vita they forgot its release date.

2013 - Judging Vita before its second Christmas is "silly" - Sony
2014 - Judging PS4 before its first year is "unfair" - Sony
2015 - Aw shit we died - Sony

Fixed to more accurately reflect the situation at hand.

I have said this before, but as time goes on and shit like this falls out of the company's mouth, I'm starting to think I was right: Sony can't succeed unless 3rd-parties are marketing their hardware for them. That's.... so SAD.

 

[Roto13]

The point is that there are finally decent games coming for the Vita.

It might be too little, too late.

And it'll be mildly embarrassing to Sony if it's third party titles that end up driving the sales of the console, but then again, Sony opted for the pack-in bundle with Liberation.

Perhaps it realized it didn't have a sales driver of its own so it gave up and went looking for help?

Decent games and appealing games are not necessarily the same thing, though. The masses need a few games that will make them want to own a Vita in the first place. The "decent" games will sell to them once they already have the systems to play them on. I'm sure a lot of Vita owners will buy Liberation at some point. (I will, after I finish with ACIII and want to play another AC game, whenever that is.) But it won't do what Sony is hoping it will do, which is get people to buy Vitas for it. CoD will be in a similar situation, except there's a strong chance it won't be any good.

Goddamn, the Vita OT.

Some people are just completely incapable of taking any realistic discussion of the sales potential of Vita or Vita Game X as anything other than an attack on their personal taste, no matter how many times that distinction is explained to them.

Oh my god seriously. Every thread about Vita's future. All of them.

 

[Freshmaker]

So the first six months of sales doesn't count?

It is kinda odd to declare a system dead over sales before the biggest quarter of the year.

Didn't stop people from freaking out over the 3DS being DOA, but as far as common sense flies, it's kinda bent.

 

[Mindlog]

What if it does badly? Do we wait for next Christmas?

Judging a console before its first successful Christmas is "preposterous."

 

[lupinko]

I imagine the Vita will do okay christmas. Retailers will deliver the sales, not like much else is big this year other than iPad mini.

Fixed.

 

[MrBS]

Going to make for a great popcorn thread Q1 2013.

 

[Ponn]

Goddamn, the Vita OT.

Some people are just completely incapable of taking any realistic discussion of the sales potential of Vita or Vita Game X as anything other than an attack on their personal taste, no matter how many times that distinction is explained to them.

Why do you think, or better yet, why do you feel it NECESSARY to go into an OT of current owners of a system and talk about poor sales? Especially when there are more than enough sales/vita is dead threads to shit up with the discussion? An OT is meant for owners to discuss the system they own, maybe help new owners, talk about upcoming games, features and set play matches, etc. You act like people in the OT thread don't know the sales are bad, what exactly are you implying, we are stupid or delusional? It's called just enjoying the system we already own, thats what an OT should be for. I'm very critical of all this, but not every thread for Vita has to be a shitted up doom and gloom thread, every console owner, from 3DS, Wii-U to Neo Geo X Goldwhatever deserves an OT free from that kind of shit.

The most I have seen people from OT Vita ask is to just stop with the "Vita has no games meme". Don't act or imply that people from Vita OT are happy annoying optimists that continually, blindly claim the Vita will be a smashing success. Just because we all aren't selling our Vita's on craigslist don't make us unrealistic. The people in that thread are some of the most level headed honest people on the gaming board I have seen that have repeatedly given unbiased options and advice and have on several occassions advsd perspective Vita owners to not buy or wait depending on their taste.

 

[chertipros]

Fixed.

did I miss an announcement or something?

 

[Mindlog]

Why do you think, or better yet, why do you feel it NECESSARY to go into an OT of current owners of a system and talk about poor sales? Especially when there are more than enough sales/vita is dead threads to shit up with the discussion? An OT is meant for owners to discuss the system they own, maybe help new owners, talk about upcoming games, features and set play matches, etc.

That sounds like a community thread. What's the reason it's in gaming? I don't know how that works.

 

[SpaceBridge]

Goddamn, the Vita OT.

Some people are just completely incapable of taking any realistic discussion of the sales potential of Vita or Vita Game X as anything other than an attack on their personal taste, no matter how many times that distinction is explained to them.

You should make a Vita Shitty Sales OT that way the Vita game announcement threads will be about that particular game announcement and not mucked up with Vita is doomed drive-by postings.

 

[chertipros]

Why do you think, or better yet, why do you feel it NECESSARY to go into an OT of current owners of a system and talk about poor sales? Especially when there are more than enough sales/vita is dead threads to shit up with the discussion? An OT is meant for owners to discuss the system they own, maybe help new owners, talk about upcoming games, features and set play matches, etc. You act like people in the OT thread don't know the sales are bad, what exactly are you implying, we are stupid or delusional? It's called just enjoying the system we already own, thats what an OT should be for. I'm very critical of all this, but not every thread for Vita has to be a shitted up doom and gloom thread, every console owner, from 3DS, Wii-U to Neo Geo X Goldwhatever deserves an OT free from that kind of shit.

he didn't post anything in the OT regarding sales AFAIK

 

[Gospel]

Why do you think, or better yet, why do you feel it NECESSARY to go into an OT of current owners of a system and talk about poor sales? Especially when there are more than enough sales/vita is dead threads to shit up with the discussion? An OT is meant for owners to discuss the system they own, maybe help new owners, talk about upcoming games, features and set play matches, etc. You act like people in the OT thread don't know the sales are bad, what exactly are you implying, we are stupid or delusional? It's called just enjoying the system we already own, thats what an OT should be for. I'm very critical of all this, but not every thread for Vita has to be a shitted up doom and gloom thread, every console owner, from 3DS, Wii-U to Neo Geo X Goldwhatever deserves an OT free from that kind of shit.

Looking at the Vita OT, i don't see any of the poor sales talk/bashing you're mentioning.

 

[Amory]

"But the great news is that we have got the content in place. We have got the cash to invest in terms of marketing and retail to really ignite it this Christmas. To start judging a console before it has had its first Christmas is preposterous, really. And we are giving it everything we have got."

The bolded are complete and total lies. And I'm speaking as a (pissed off) vita owner.

 

[Ponn]

he didn't post anything in the OT regarding sales AFAIK

Plenty of people have, and I cleared up i'm not talking about just the OT. I found his post very offensive to me and the people that frequent the Vita OT and I clarified why.

Looking at the Vita OT, i don't see any of the poor sales talk/bashing you're mentioning.

WTH is with people concentrating on one piece of a post.

And you are an awfully fast reader. We are on thread 5 of the OT thread and I didn't say it happened everyday. And the barrage doesn't come all about sales either, the other day it was an Apple troll.

 

[FINALBOSS]

I was planning on getting one for X-mas time...so count me in as a sale.

 

[dallow_bg]

Looking at the Vita OT, i don't see any of the poor sales talk/bashing you're mentioning.

I think he said that because Father Brain mentioned the OT.
They way he said it, "Goddamn Vita OT" made it seem like he tried to post in there to try to have a discussion about sales figures.

Not sure why it was attacked at all.

 

[Soul_Pie]

It's not so much Vita's poor sales which is worrying, it's Sony's response to them which is really cause for concern. Sitting on your hands and just waiting for a bit of a spike in Christmas sales in not really a good plan of action, they haven't really addressed the reasons why it's not selling in the first place. I guess that they can only hope that stuff like Ass Creed and COD can give it a push, but I truly doubt it will make an impact.


Nintendo were pro-active when they found the 3DS wasn't selling as well as they liked, they pushed really hard with the price and the big games came and that got the ball rolling. The Vita's a very capable, sexy piece of hardware, but that can only take it so far.

 

[Gospel]

I think he said that because Father Brain mentioned the OT.
They way he said it, "Goddamn Vita OT" made it seem like he tried to post in there to try to have a discussion a out sales figures.

Oh okay, i got you.

Bad idea for sure. "Lion's den" and all that jazz.

 

[superchunk]

While sales have been horrible, giving it until Jan2013 is absolutely necessary. Problem is, it has Wii U at a very similar price point to contend for new console buyers money. I think Wii U will handily beat it... in both HW sales and SW sales.

Vita is simply not a mass market product. Its a niche product with nothing to create the value its trying to sell at.

3DS at its new lower price with typical Nintendo 1st party, creates the value and demand for a portable game console.

Vita at its launch price with expensive memory and software that is low-end ports/mods of home console games, just pushes buyers to other items like tablets, phones, or Wii U/PS3/X360.

 

[Glorified G]

I cannot wait for NPD + Media Create threads in November/December/January. Fun times ahead, well, unless you're a Vita owner.

or unless you don't get some weird irrational enjoyment from a piece of electronic selling poorly.

 

[SpaceBridge]

or unless you don't get some weird irrational enjoyment from a piece of electronic selling poorly.

^^This.

 

[LiquidSolid]

Goddamn, the Vita OT.

Some people are just completely incapable of taking any realistic discussion of the sales potential of Vita or Vita Game X as anything other than an attack on their personal taste, no matter how many times that distinction is explained to them.

Shocking fucking news: Some people don't care about sales and just like to enjoy and talk about the systems/games they own.

 

[metalslimer]

The Vita OT can be left alone to people who enjoying their device. There are plenty of threads to discuss how terribly Vita is doing tbh. Of course the two go hand in hand with games and sales determing a lot about the future but I'm sure the few Vita owners there are don't feel like reading about Vita being dead all the time (even if it is true)

 

[Oersted]

or unless you don't get some weird irrational enjoyment from a piece of electronic selling poorly.

pretty much this.

Shocking fucking news: Some people don't care about sales and just like to enjoy and talk about the systems/games they own.

Did you read the opening statement of this thread. This is sales-talk. No sales, no more games to own.

 

[metalslimer]

Did you read the opening statement of this thread. This is sales-talk. No sales, no more games to own.

Was in relation to the Vita OT not this thread.

 

[slaughterking]

Sir, I say, sir, I demand satisfaction.

I like this post.

 

[Glorified G]

Goddamn, the Vita OT.

Some people are just completely incapable of taking any realistic discussion of the sales potential of Vita or Vita Game X as anything other than an attack on their personal taste, no matter how many times that distinction is explained to them.

It's not that it's an attack on their personal taste, it's more of the fact that you're full of shit and have no interest of the "sales potential" and more into pomp pomp cheering for your favorite company (Nintendo) by pointing out bleak Vita sales in almost every Vita thread, despite having no interest in the system itself.

I did this post months back, but I thought it would be apt;

In a very bleak climate for Vita, everything about this sounds and looks quite promising. And a black female protagonist? That ain't exactly cliche.

Ubisoft Sofia, though... it's hard not to be skeptical. AFAIK, the only original title they've developed to date is Ghost Recon: Shadow Wars, and while that was pretty well-received, they apparently didn't handle the actual game design themselves, only being involved on the technical end of things.

And not one of those announced games will move enough hardware to make Vita a commercially viable platform for third parties.

No one disputes that there are good games for Vita and more coming, but the system is in bigger trouble than any new platform in recent memory. Anyone who can deny that is engaging in some serious wishful thinking.

Dudebro console franchise spinoffs.

In a very bleak climate for Vita, everything about this sounds and looks quite promising. And a black female protagonist? That ain't exactly cliche.

Ubisoft Sofia, though... it's hard not to be skeptical. AFAIK, the only original title they've developed to date is Ghost Recon: Shadow Wars, and while that was pretty well-received, they apparently didn't handle the actual game design themselves, only being involved on the technical end of things.

3DS always had guaranteed multimillion-selling first-party franchises, and significant exclusive support from the major Japanese third parties before it even launched. Vita had, and still has, neither.

It's quite ironic how the people who want so badly to believe that Vita's situation is perfectly analogous to 3DS' early struggles are constantly accusing Vita sales skeptics of "forgetting" 3DS' situation, when they're the ones who are engaging in selective memory.

Plenty? The biggest title they have for it is Hatsune Miku, which is a reasonably (if not massively) popular series in Japan, to be sure... but the announcement of a late PS3 port doesn't exactly suggest confidence in the platform.

Basic economics: If a product is selling very poorly, as Vita currently is, then by definition, it isn't worth the asking price as far as the market is concerned. What you subjectively think of its value and what it "deserves" to be selling doesn't matter.

In order: PS3 port, PS3 port, C-team spinoff (though it's looking pretty good at this point, I'll concede), almost certainly either a PS3 port or a C-team spinoff, PS3 port, PS3 port. That'll get them well on their way to, oh, a quarter or so of that 10m target for this fiscal year.

You would think posting the same thing over & over & over & over & over & over again in every Vita thread would be enough, but to make your own thread to shit on the system.....

Why do people devout so much time to a system they have no interest in buying at all is beyond me. It makes no sense.

So please, spare the bullshit.

 

[Amory]

It's not that it's an attack on their personal taste, it's more of the fact that you're full of shit and have no interest of the "sales potential" and more into pomp pomp cheering for your favorite company (Nintendo) by pointing out bleak Vita sales in almost every Vita thread, despite having no interest in the system itself.

I did this post months back, but I thought it would be apt;


So please, spare the bullshit.

The vita does appear to be in quite a bit of trouble, though. And I own one, and love it. The fact that mainstream games coming out for almost every system available are skipping the Vita (like NBA 2k13, recently) is a terrible omen. The system needs third party development or it will starve, and soon.

 

[Glorified G]

The vita does appear to be in quite a bit of trouble, though.

It's not the issue. Just can't stand the disingenuous bullshit. The agenda driven posters are so annoying. It's already happening in the Wii U threads.

 

[donny2112]

Castle of Illusion or World of Illusion?

Castle of Illusion, I think. Something of Illusion Mickey game on Genesis.

 

[fabricated backlash]

2013 Year of the Vita.

 

[Data West]

Just from a sales point of view, is there anything the Vita might outsell this holiday season?

Wikipads

 

[zerokoolpsx]

Will come back to this thread after the holidays.

To be honest, they would have to sell millions. Not enough games on the great hardware to generate enough interest so it'll get overlooked.

 

[Oersted]

Games that will happen around christmas season in my area. Based on the official sites, starting point was the earliest Vita game.


PS Vita:

Spy Hunter
Smart As...™
Silent Hill: Book of Memories
PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale
BreakQuest: Extra Evolution
Assassin's Creed® III Liberation
KickBeat™


Nintendo 3DS:

Paper Mario: Sticker Star
Pokédex 3D Pro
Professor Layton and Miracle Mask
Pokemon Dreamradar


Have the already existing libraries in mind, decide for yourself.

 

[herod]

Why should Sony put much/any effort into Vita when it won't make diddly squat difference to their overall performance? The markets don't even care. TV and mobile is always the issue.

http://www.rttnews.com/1982070/moody-s-cuts-sony-to-baa2-outlook-negative-quick-facts.aspx

 

[Castor Krieg]

Didn't stop people from freaking out over the 3DS being DOA, but as far as common sense flies, it's kinda bent.

Because 3DS was DOA at that price point, which is why Nintendo resorted to drastic measures. Sony seems confident that with huge PS3 library and PS4 people will still find time and money for Vita handheld gaming. Yeah, not going to happen.

 

[SpinningBirdKick]

It doesn't matter how much they spend on marketing if the games have little appeal to potential consumers.

I expect the situation to look just as bad after Christmas.

Only Sony's excuses will be different.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

It's not that it's an attack on their personal taste, it's more of the fact that you're full of shit and have no interest of the "sales potential" and more into pomp pomp cheering for your favorite company (Nintendo) by pointing out bleak Vita sales in almost every Vita thread, despite having no interest in the system itself.

I did this post months back, but I thought it would be apt;


So please, spare the bullshit.

Thank you. It's impossible to go into a Vita thread without the same old broken record posts from metalslimer and father_brain shitting it up.

Example:

The Vita OT can be left alone to people who enjoying their device. There are plenty of threads to discuss how terribly Vita is doing tbh. Of course the two go hand in hand with games and sales determing a lot about the future but I'm sure the few Vita owners there are don't feel like reading about Vita being dead all the time (even if it is true)

Give me a fucking break.

 

[mrklaw]

Vita has the games, it has a great few months of new releases coming too. If it still isn't selling then it must be obvious to Sony that the price is too highly up to them whether to risk taking a loss/bigger loss to try and stimulate sales, or just hold on.

 

[Hyuga]

I can predict where this thread will go.

The Nintendo folks already arrived.

 

[web_slinger_62]

Gimme Final Fantasy Type-0 and I'll buy it. Or any other exclusive Final Fantasy for that matter.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

so after the first Christmas,
which is really the second Christmas,
what will the excuse be then,
or will we be told to wait for the third Christmas?
-Dreams

 

[grimshawish]

Yes not wrong...but...
It does seem questionable business sense to base the success of your handheld on the Western market over Japan; which Sony seems to have done from day one with Vita.

 

[zoukka]

The Nintendo folks already arrived.

Do you realise, that by using terms like that just paints yourself as part of the "sony folk"?

 

[Canis lupus]

I don't think this christmas period will be great either. Its up to next year, secure those system sellers and lower the price.

 

[SpaceBridge]

Yes not wrong...but...
It does seem questionable business sense to base the success of your handheld on the Western market over Japan; which Sony seems to have done from day one with Vita.

I suspect that was a gamble that did not work out for them. I wonder if Sony is hard at work getting 3rd party support from Japan and we won't see the results until late next year?

 

[stilgar]

The Nintendo folks already arrived.

You just won the childish system wars post award! Again!

 

[MightyHedgehog]

If gift-giving parents and older folks, the greatest consumers of traditional gaming handhelds in the Xmas season, don't know that the Vita exists let alone understand what the fuck it is, exactly, and assuming that they haven't balked at the price of the unit, its games and accessories even in the event that they do, how is it that Sony expects this to sell to anyone at all this holiday season? I mean, hardcore gamers already smelled the death on this thing a long while back even if they didn't quite know it themselves. Who, Sony, are you planning to sell to outside of diehard Sony fans who refuse to understand the reality of a future of no substantial software coming from publishers outside of those few who have received relatively generously from Sony themselves to promote the handheld? Vita's a fucking bad joke compared to the value and visibility of 3DS and mobile devices and phones that will, individually, most certainly outsell it by many times in just the last two months of this year. Thing is worm food, but I gotta love the lalala-fingers-in-ears PR dance they have to do.

 

[Cipherr]

It will be interesting to see if they have something up their sleeves. I personally have a hard time imagining them doing well with this handheld this Christmas season. Now next year? I think thats a possibility, assuming they realized how bad things were going in Q2 of this year and started securing games for development, by this time next year, they could have some stuff ready.

Its not an impossibility for this handheld to break out of its rut. It does however feel unlikely that the Vita will break the rut before the end of this year.

The Nintendo folks already arrived.

The Nintendo folk are honestly the least of Vitas problems in the real world.

Do you realise, that by using terms like that just paints yourself as part of the "sony folk"?

Well, he actually is a part of the Sony folk though.

 

[not_so_special]

Two games that will be ignored in favour of their "real" counterparts on PS3 and 360, and some ports/multiplatform games.

What a Christmas.

why assasins creeds on vita its not "Real"? i understand COD but ac looks amazing

its the same bs argument everytime..yes u can play similar game on a big console,lets see...PORTABLE,yeah you know the word,PORTABLE GAMING,thats the difference,if you want the game on the go or on your home,i want those experiences on different mediums,its not hard to understand.

The Nintendo folk are honestly the least of Vitas problems in the real world.


.

And yet they are a problem on vita threads,yet the same people that get offended when someone does the same on a 3ds or a wiiu thread,ironic isnt?