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I'm trying to get my head around pixel doubling.
So, a 13" Retina will look exactly like a 1280x800 but all pixels will be doubled.
So how will a wallpaper at 1280x800 look on a Retina screen? The same as how it would look on a 1280x800 native screen or will it be soft/blurred?
 
you mean like this?

I don't think you know how pricing works on these kinds of high-end ultrabooks.

The Sony flagship you linked is $100 less than rumors, drives half the resolution, and it does offer an external GPU option.

My argument isn't so much about the price, it's about the poor performance integrated graphics will provide. Hell, I'd rather them charge more and throw in the stupid $37 GPU. I'm a huge Apple fan, and I understand their premium pricing model just fine. But as a consumer, my interest is completely gone if it doesn't have a dedicated GPU.
 
I'm trying to get my head around pixel doubling.
So, a 13" Retina will look exactly like a 1280x800 but all pixels will be doubled.
So how will a wallpaper at 1280x800 look on a Retina screen? The same as how it would look on a 1280x800 native screen or will it be soft/blurred?
It will look blurred I believe. Try to put a 640x400 wallpaper on your 13 inch macbook.
 
A smaller, faster device will cost more than a bigger, slower one. It's funny how this is so weird to some people.

Do you seriously think that apple will place the iPad mini below or as important as the ipod touch? This is also about perception - and while iPod touch is becoming decreasingly relevant, iPad mini will be Apples bet against the new wave of 7" android tablets, which - as a first - helped android access mass market appeal.

There is not a chance this will be the same price or cheaper compared to iPod touch.
 
The Sony flagship you linked is $100 less than rumors, drives half the resolution, and it does offer an external GPU option.

My argument isn't so much about the price, it's about the poor performance integrated graphics will provide. Hell, I'd rather them charge more and throw in the stupid $37 GPU. I'm a huge Apple fan, and I understand their premium pricing model just fine. But as a consumer, my interest is completely gone if it doesn't have a dedicated GPU.

As far as I'm aware, HD4000 graphics are solid. If they weren't they wouldn't be the only on-board GPU option on the flagship Z linked earlier. That's the real point. Anyone who's followed the Z's history over the years knows that they don't cut corners on the Z, so if they felt HD4000 graphics weren't good enough, they would have included a discrete GPU.

These aren't the integrated graphics of 3 or 4 years ago. You'll be able to run most games at some lowered resolution. I've not heard of anyone complaining about the performance of HD4000 at native "retina" resolutions in non-gaming applications.
 
Or from Nook, so you can use it on both your iPad AND the Nook?

Kindle still better. Supports literally everything... hell even BlackBerry and Windows Phone 7. Just don't understand why you would intentionally lock yourself to something that can't be accessed by any other device. Part of it is risk mitigation too. I mean, if 10 years from now Apple products become pure shit, then what? At least Amazon will keep supporting their Kindle app even if their Kindle hardware business goes down in flames.
 
Kindle still better. Supports literally everything... hell even BlackBerry and Windows Phone 7. Just don't understand why you would intentionally lock yourself to something that can't be accessed by any other device. Part of it is risk mitigation too. I mean, if 10 years from now Apple products become pure shit, then what? At least Amazon will keep supporting their Kindle app even if their Kindle hardware business goes down in flames.

At least I can get books from more sources and put them on my nook without having to convert them.

Kindles are really nice, but I prefer the openness on the nook.
 
At least I can get books from more sources and put them on my nook without having to convert them.

Kindles are really nice, but I prefer the openness on the nook.

Yeah that's true. I forgot that it had epub support. Either way, both options are better than iBook IMO.
 
Do you seriously think that apple will place the iPad mini below or as important as the ipod touch? This is also about perception - and while iPod touch is becoming decreasingly relevant, iPad mini will be Apples bet against the new wave of 7" android tablets, which - as a first - helped android access mass market appeal.

There is not a chance this will be the same price or cheaper compared to iPod touch.
I don't understand your logic here at all. Because they view it as an important competitor to $200 devices, it will be way more expensive?

I think a lot of you just have trouble concluding that a tablet is not competing with a portable media player. They're separate devices for separate functions and their prices do not matter in relation to each other.
 
As far as I'm aware, HD4000 graphics are solid. If they weren't they wouldn't be the only on-board GPU option on the flagship Z linked earlier. That's the real point. Anyone who's followed the Z's history over the years knows that they don't cut corners on the Z, so if they felt HD4000 graphics weren't good enough, they would have included a discrete GPU.

These aren't the integrated graphics of 3 or 4 years ago. You'll be able to run most games at some lowered resolution. I've not heard of anyone complaining about the performance of HD4000 at native "retina" resolutions in non-gaming applications.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. IMO - and the opinion of a vast majority of those in the tech world - the Intel 4000 is garbage. The fact that the laptop might cost $1700+ and it will definitely be driving a resolution significantly higher than 1080p just make the issue that much greater.

The 4000 is fine for lower res computers that are cheaper. Heck, I'll probably end up with a 2012 MBA, which runs just that.

I'm sure it will sell great. And I'm sure it will be a very solid laptop. I'm just saying that I WANT to buy it - and a ~$40 part makes or breaks the deal for me. And from posts here, other forums, and Macrumors, it seems that's at least a somewhat common stance. Does Apple care? Probably not. But it sucks for us that do.
 
I don't understand your logic here at all. Because they view it as an important competitor to $200 devices, it will be way more expensive?

I think a lot of you just have trouble concluding that a tablet is not competing with a portable media player. They're separate devices for separate functions and their prices do not matter in relation to each other.

the logic is that if you consider a product line more premium than the other (and ipad is more premium than ipod) you price it that way. you'd cheapen iPads brand value by releasing one that is not even as expensive as the lowest-priority product
 
This new iPad mini isn't going to be positioned as an ultimate premium product. The main iPad is still Apples flagship tablet.

This one will be using year old parts and will be positioned as cheaper, lighter and more mobile.

Branding issues with the iPod touch are not as important as having this iPad be a very populist device.

250 with 8GB storage. Bet on it.
 
This new iPad mini isn't going to be positioned as an ultimate premium product. The main iPad is still Apples flagship tablet.

This one will be using year old parts and will be positioned as cheaper, lighter and more mobile.

Branding issues with the iPod touch are not as important as having this iPad be a very populist device.

250 with 8GB storage. Bet on it.

More like $329 with 16GB
 
the logic is that if you consider a product line more premium than the other (and ipad is more premium than ipod) you price it that way. you'd cheapen iPads brand value by releasing one that is not even as expensive as the lowest-priority product
Why would anyone consider a cheap and smaller iPad using two-year-old tech to be more premium than a retina iPod touch with the latest hardware?
 
Kindle still better. Supports literally everything... hell even BlackBerry and Windows Phone 7. Just don't understand why you would intentionally lock yourself to something that can't be accessed by any other device. Part of it is risk mitigation too. I mean, if 10 years from now Apple products become pure shit, then what? At least Amazon will keep supporting their Kindle app even if their Kindle hardware business goes down in flames.

Too bad about the DRM though, you cant use an Amazon ebook on any other ereader

I think some epubs have drm too now, but I prefer to get them and convert to mobi for kindle/kindle app
 
This new iPad mini isn't going to be positioned as an ultimate premium product. The main iPad is still Apples flagship tablet.

This one will be using year old parts and will be positioned as cheaper, lighter and more mobile.

Branding issues with the iPod touch are not as important as having this iPad be a very populist device.

250 with 8GB storage. Bet on it.

$250 is a lovely dream.

Simply put, Apple doesn't need to price the Mini the same as competing products in order to gain widespread adoption. As long as they are within a reasonable range of their competitors, people will choose the iPad Mini and ignore the rest.
 
When can we expect to see the iPad 4?
This is actually interesting question. I think it depends on how big of revision next week is. At some point they may look to realign the iPad release schedule like they did with the 4 to 4s.

A "mid cycle" revision like this may buy them some cushion to shift the iPad away from early March.
 
$250 is a lovely dream.

Simply put, Apple doesn't need to price the Mini the same as competing products in order to gain widespread adoption. As long as they are within a reasonable range of their competitors, people will choose the iPad Mini and ignore the rest.

I dont think so, $200 vs $300 is a huge difference. People choose iPhones and iPod Touches, and 10 inch iPads are a unique category, but look at Mac sales, people dont buy Apple over competitors in everything
 
I dont think so, $200 vs $300 is a huge difference. People choose iPhones and iPod Touches, and 10 inch iPads are a unique category, but look at Mac sales, people dont buy Apple over competitors in everything

nah, people will choose a $300 iPad Mini over a $200-$250 competing Android product. I don't think it's even a question. unless they just have their heart set on an Android device, I guess.
 
nah, people will choose a $300 iPad Mini over a $200-$250 competing Android product. I don't think it's even a question.

Thats not even true for iPhones, look at how many people have cheaper Android phones, and thats with the iPhone being basically the biggest most recognized blockbuster product out there
 
Thats not even true for iPhones, look at how many people have cheaper Android phones, and thats with the iPhone being basically the biggest most recognized blockbuster product out there
The same isn't true for the tablet market, where a $500 device continues to outsell competing $200+ tablets.
 
nah, people will choose a $300 iPad Mini over a $200-$250 competing Android product. I don't think it's even a question. unless they just have their heart set on an Android device, I guess.

My issue with Android tablets is that if you have an Android phone there is not much reason to get an Android tablet since there is very little in the way of apps that take advantage of the larger screen. At least with iPad it has A LOT of dedicated tablet apps.
 
$250 is a lovely dream.

Simply put, Apple doesn't need to price the Mini the same as competing products in order to gain widespread adoption. As long as they are within a reasonable range of their competitors, people will choose the iPad Mini and ignore the rest.

This is a terrible strategy. They could hugely jeopardize their place by allowing the competition to not only release better products but at a lower price. They should absolutely not rely on Apple fans to continue to buy Apple products just because, some are hardcore but the vast majority are bandwagon.
 
This is a terrible strategy. They could hugely jeopardize their place by allowing the competition to not only release better products but at a lower price. They should absolutely not rely on Apple fans to continue to buy Apple products just because, some are hardcore but the vast majority are bandwagon.

They aren't jeopardizing anything by slapping a $50 premium on their product. They will outsell the competition and make larger profits over the competition.
 
agree for a $50 premium, but $100 is too much.
Agreed. I think $250 should be where it comes in. The whole point of this device is to hit the competition where it counts: pricing. Being priced just a bit above will work. But to be 50% more will not work as well. It will still sell like mad, but nowhere near as much if it hits the $250 point.
 
They aren't jeopardizing anything by slapping a $50 premium on their product. They will outsell the competition and make larger profits over the competition.

They'll sell to their own base and lose the growth market. That's exactly how Sony, RIM, Nokia and Microsoft lost their edges. Amazon took 22% of the market in under a year, sporting digital consumption levels nearly as high as iOS devices. Nexus 7 is also rapidly gaining adoption. Apple should not encourage bandwagon jumping from consumers or developers or it will end badly. Remember that this isn't necessarily about Apple growing in the 7" but the competition is posed to hit them in the larger high-end market as well.
 
Is the Nexus 7 outselling the iPad?

You do understand that it takes time for products to grow, right? The first iPad sales were around 4mil in a quarter and now theyre 12+, and the 7 is predicted to sell around 7 mil until the end of the year
 
Guys. some things to consider for the base model pricing:

1. Apple consistently makes around 40% margins on its key products.

2. Andy Rubin stated the Nexus 7 is sold at cost. Note that its not sold at a major loss (eg: game consoles at launch). it's sold at 200 bucks at cost so that's how much it costs them to build and probably also factors in the initial design effort.

3. Apple will almost surely be using older tech in this mini iPad so there's not much new design cost aside from the new casing and screen size.

4. Apple has the ability build their devices cheaper than their competition since they build in such large quantities so the iPad mini will likely cost about the same or less than the Nexus 7 to build. so that's around 200 bucks. probably a bit less.

6. So add 40% to, say, $180. what do you get? $250. what kind of margin would this thing have if it cost $300 (and still cost 200 to build and ship)? over 65%

The baseline, el-cheapo 8GB model will be 250 bucks. a premium price over the Kindle Fire HD and Nexus 7, with a likely cheaper screen and 2 year old hardware. It's not like Apple will be pushing technical boundaries with this.

$250 is entirely possible and I think it's very likely since I doubt Apple will want to concede the entire sub-500 dollar tablet market to amazon/ google in order to try to grab over 60% profit margin on the new device. Cook even said he's aware of price umbrellas and doesn't there to be any obvious ones for the ipad.
 
If Apple thinks they're going to capture consumers like my mother/sister/their friends etc by creating a "premium perception" by keeping the price higher than the rest, they're in for a lot of lost sales. These people dont give a shit about the name on the device. They care that they can watch movies, play Words with Friends, read their Kindle books. And cheapest wins out 9 times out of 10.
 
If Apple thinks they're going to capture consumers like my mother/sister/their friends etc by creating a "premium perception" by keeping the price higher than the rest, they're in for a lot of lost sales. These people dont give a shit about the name on the device. They care that they can watch movies, play Words with Friends, read their Kindle books. And cheapest wins out 9 times out of 10.

apple has never raced for the bottom
 
You do understand that it takes time for products to grow, right? The first iPad sales were around 4mil in a quarter and now theyre 12+, and the 7 is predicted to sell around 7 mil until the end of the year
Analyst "predictions" mean nothing to me. Show me some reputable numbers. And I do realize that sales could take time to develop, but as of now, there's nothing to indicate that these $200 devices are or are going to outsell the iPad. So I stand by my statement: a $500 device continues to outsell competing $200+ tablets.
 
You do understand that it takes time for products to grow, right? The first iPad sales were around 4mil in a quarter and now theyre 12+, and the 7 is predicted to sell around 7 mil until the end of the year
A new report came out estimating nexus 7 sales at 700k to 1 mil. It will never outsell iPad. iPad currently does 5 mil a month and rises every quarter.
 
$250 is a lovely dream.

Simply put, Apple doesn't need to price the Mini the same as competing products in order to gain widespread adoption. As long as they are within a reasonable range of their competitors, people will choose the iPad Mini and ignore the rest.
Yes it does. The most the mini base can be priced at is $299. Anymore then that and it is no longer appealing to the market the 7 inch is aimed at. The only reason I don't already own a iPad is I can't afford or justify the price of one. Add in the way apple makes your stiff obsolete in 2 years and the price looks even worse.
 
Can't wait to see the new imacs.

I'm hoping for a MacMini update.

If Apple thinks they're going to capture consumers like my mother/sister/their friends etc by creating a "premium perception" by keeping the price higher than the rest, they're in for a lot of lost sales. These people dont give a shit about the name on the device. They care that they can watch movies, play Words with Friends, read their Kindle books. And cheapest wins out 9 times out of 10.

Most times it will come down to who has the most apps. Software always wins in the battle for hardware.
 
This is a terrible strategy. They could hugely jeopardize their place by allowing the competition to not only release better products but at a lower price. They should absolutely not rely on Apple fans to continue to buy Apple products just because, some are hardcore but the vast majority are bandwagon.

I don't think it's possible for any tablet on the market to be a better product without iOS and the iOS app ecosystem.
 
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