Apple's October 23 Event | We've got a little more to show you.

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Yes it does. The most the mini base can be priced at is $299. Anymore then that and it is no longer appealing to the market the 7 inch is aimed at. The only reason I don't already own a iPad is I can't afford or justify the price of one. Add in the way apple makes your stiff obsolete in 2 years and the price looks even worse.

The base model won't be more than $300. I never said it would.

However, $250 is what it will be at BEST, not a guarantee by any stretch. My point is it doesn't need to be the same price as competing products to still eat their lunch.
 
You do understand that it takes time for products to grow, right? The first iPad sales were around 4mil in a quarter and now theyre 12+, and the 7 is predicted to sell around 7 mil until the end of the year

source for this 7 million number?

Analysts for JP Morgan estimated that Google has sold 700,000 units through the end of September....

Not really seeing how they are going to suddenly sell ten times that in three months facing new competition from Apple and Amazon...
 
I'm hoping for a MacMini update.



Most times it will come down to who has the most apps. Software always wins in the battle for hardware.

I don't think "the most" matters to people just looking for a tablet to play a few games on, read, watch videos. 70,000 apps doesnt mean anything. "Does it have Kindle, Words With Friends, Angry Birds, a web browser, email, texting, and lets me watch videos?" is pretty much all the average consumer is going to want. It also needs to be simple to load and manage content on. 50-100 dollar premium is going to show how quickly these people dont care about 10,000 fart apps.

Some of you are crazy if you think the ipad mini will cost less than an ipod

Not crazy at all to think that a non-retina Mini with 8 gig of storage would cost less than a 32 gig Touch with Retina.
 
The base model won't be more than $300. I never said it would.

However, $250 is what it will be at BEST, not a guarantee by any stretch. My point is it doesn't need to be the same price as competing products to still eat their lunch.
True but then again even 250 is asking a lot for this market. The 7 inch market is all about cheap now, that's the point of getting the size. The only reason I got a nexus 7 is purely price. I wanted a transformer prime or a note tab 10.1 but they are both wayyyy out of my price range. Apple could easily hit $199 if they wanted too but they care too much about margin to ever do that.
 
source for this 7 million number?

Analysts for JP Morgan estimated that Google has sold 700,000 units through the end of September....

Not really seeing how they are going to suddenly sell ten times that in three months facing new competition from Apple and Amazon...

if its 1 mil sales then never mind, I was going off the first few search hits that predicted 7 mil (man I really wish companies would just spell out what they sell like Apple does, Amazon especially is like a black box)
 
Kuo, the guy who is actually a pretty solid analyst, is saying $299 for the 16GB wifi version. Looks like it's going to be 16/32/64. Powered by a tweaked A5X with 512MB RAM.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/12...-estimated-to-start-at-200-may-retail-for-299
The A5X is in reference to the tweaked iPad 3rd gen probably. 32nm process for less heat and power consumption.


512MB of ram, are you kidding me? That's a dumb move if true.
It's a smaller iPad 2.
 
Are they going to have to resize all apps again? I am assuming things are going to get complicated at some point - at this point there are at least four different screen resolutions for ios devices.
 
The A5X is in reference to the tweaked iPad 3rd gen probably. 32nm process for less heat and power consumption.



It's a smaller iPad 2.
Yeah but ram is going to bottleneck this thing a lot faster then anything else. The A5X is fine and should work well for awhile but that ram... you won't get iOS updates for long if everything else has 1GB.
 
Yeah but ram is going to bottleneck this thing a lot faster then anything else. The A5X is fine and should work well for awhile but that ram... you won't get iOS updates for long if everything else has 1GB.

It seems to me, very, very likely that the iPad Air/Mini is going to use the A5(S5L8942, the same model in the Apple TV 3, iPad 2v2, and 4" iPod Touch), which has 512MB ram, it would cost them too much money to repackage the A5 with more. They really are not likely to use the A5X, which is too power hungry, and GPU performance is too powerful for a 1024x768 display. It'd be the most graphically powerful of any of their iOS devices, including the iPhone 5.
 
i played with the retina macbook pro again and the 13 inch air. I tried to mush the 13 inch air in to the retina pro. The blue shirts at the store escorted me out.
 
if its 1 mil sales then never mind, I was going off the first few search hits that predicted 7 mil (man I really wish companies would just spell out what they sell like Apple does, Amazon especially is like a black box)

I really wish that Android tablets would sell better as well. The Nexus is an amazing tablet but I wonder if the mass market really thinks that tablets = ipad the way that mp3 players = ipod.

Amazon has done a great job of branding their devices more as Kindles rather than tablets/ereaders.

I also think that the sheer number of android tablets might intimidate buyers. Best Buy has 105 listings for Android tablets.....

Just look at this page

105 SKU's
7 different screen sizes
8 different versions of Android
30 different vendor listings

That has to be absolutely overwhelming for the average consumer.
 
There is no good reason to think that it couldn't be cheaper other than "oh it's a bigger screen so it costs more," which makes no sense.

Really, why can't a device with two-year-old tech be cheaper than the newest, fastest iPod?

It's not even that. Rumors point to the iPad mini having the same specs as the new iPod in a bigger package sans the camera upgrade and starting at 8-16GB instead of 32GB. By all accounts it should be as cheap or cheaper.
 
It looks like Amazon is willing to give me $420 for my 64gb iPad 2. Seems like a pretty solid deal. Hopefully they sell the mini through them!
 
It looks like Amazon is willing to give me $420 for my 64gb iPad 2. Seems like a pretty solid deal. Hopefully they sell the mini through them!

They'll give you that if it's in perfect condition, and the box it came in is in perfect condition. Also have to include cables, charger etc. If it's in that good condition, just sell it AS NEW on Amazon for 50-75 dollars more. Then if Amazon doesnt carry it, you'll still have the money to buy it elsewhere (trade ins give you Amazon credit, selling it on Amazon nets you cash).
 
I have to say, Apple events get me so hype

I think it's because how not embarrassing it is, like E3 conferences are so awkward and almost always unsatisfying but these are mostly good (then again they had that guy play the racing game in a full racing suit)
 
I really love the hell out of the new iPad I got last June. This is coming from an Android phone guy (though I do love the free tethering from the rooted Android giving my iPad the internet anywhere).

I would strongly urge anyone thinking about the smaller iPad for less money to spend the extra $200 for the bigger screen. It's PERFECT on the current iPad. Any smaller would annoy me a bit.
 
I have to say, Apple events get me so hype

I think it's because how not embarrassing it is, like E3 conferences are so awkward and almost always unsatisfying but these are mostly good (then again they had that guy play the racing game in a full racing suit)

I like their events too, but part of it comes from how absolutely embarrassing they can get. "It's magical." "It's literally built to fit your thumb." So much more. All part of the fun.
 
I'm trying to get my head around pixel doubling.
So, a 13" Retina will look exactly like a 1280x800 but all pixels will be doubled.
So how will a wallpaper at 1280x800 look on a Retina screen? The same as how it would look on a 1280x800 native screen or will it be soft/blurred?
That's why I've been preparing for years by making sure to download the largest size available of any wallpaper I find. Even the small ones will look fine using OS X's smoothing anyway.
 
I like their events too, but part of it comes from how absolutely embarrassing they can get. "It's magical." "It's literally built to fit your thumb." So much more. All part of the fun.

My favorite is Steve's quote about the retina display. "People haven't even dreamed about a display like this"
 
It seems to me, very, very likely that the iPad Air/Mini is going to use the A5(S5L8942, the same model in the Apple TV 3, iPad 2v2, and 4" iPod Touch), which has 512MB ram, it would cost them too much money to repackage the A5 with more. They really are not likely to use the A5X, which is too power hungry, and GPU performance is too powerful for a 1024x768 display. It'd be the most graphically powerful of any of their iOS devices, including the iPhone 5.
So basically it will be obsolete before it even comes out even by apple standards. IOS updates are going to suck for this thing.
 
So basically it will be obsolete before it even comes out even by apple standards. IOS updates are going to suck for this thing.

iOS updates haven't really pushing any boundaries these days. They've been bland and uninspired. Updates for the iPad Air will be fine.
 
So basically it will be obsolete before it even comes out even by apple standards. IOS updates are going to suck for this thing.

Ever since the iPad2/iPhone4, we're reaching the point where there's not much they can do that can't be supported on the hardware. Sure, you have things like Siri requiring a better mic or in the future they will probably have NFC which won't be supported? But in terms of speed, A5 is enough to handle iOS for quite a while (apps are a different story, especially games)
 
I'm trying to get my head around pixel doubling.
So, a 13" Retina will look exactly like a 1280x800 but all pixels will be doubled.
So how will a wallpaper at 1280x800 look on a Retina screen? The same as how it would look on a 1280x800 native screen or will it be soft/blurred?


Get some 2560x1600!wallpaper and take advantage of the res.
 
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iOS updates haven't really pushing any boundaries these days. They've been bland and uninspired. Updates for the iPad Air will be fine.

Yeah, that's been one of the more disappointing things of late. Its like they don't know what to do next and they aren't interested in fixing the bugs.

Reminds me of the decade old USB 'bug' on OSX when you remove your USB drive and it gives you the scary 'you may have broken it' message. Every other OS in the world has resolved this issue except for OSX.
 
iOS updates haven't really pushing any boundaries these days. They've been bland and uninspired. Updates for the iPad Air will be fine.

My wife is due a phone upgrade soon and she is thinking of windows phone 8 or android because she thinks that ios is to familiar and boring now.
Apple really need to change it up a lot.
 
It will look blurred I believe. Try to put a 640x400 wallpaper on your 13 inch macbook.

I tried a 640x400 wallpaper on this MacBook and it looked like crap.
Crap.

That's why I've been preparing for years by making sure to download the largest size available of any wallpaper I find. Even the small ones will look fine using OS X's smoothing anyway.

This is where I regret not being as clever as you!
When I moved from desktop to laptop I got rid of most of my high-resolution wallpapers :(

Get some 2560x1600!wallpaper and take advantage of the res.

I certainly will from now on but my absolute favourite wallpaper is 1584x1056 and Google assures me this is the biggest size it's available in. This is terrible!
 
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