SkylineRKR
Member
Sony's in a position that they have to be happy that they got a CoD and AC at all. Its not that Ubi and Activision really need the Vita for their profit at this point.
Just what is Sony doing with Vita? If they've given-up, they should just kill it.
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Sony's in a position that they have to be happy that they got a CoD and AC at all. Its not that Ubi and Activision really need the Vita for their profit at this point.
LamerDeluxe
Member
Yeah you are a typical gamer.
When I see how many games people have on Steam... I guess I am a typical Gaffer though :^p
We have had some awesome discounts in Europe though, that really helped a lot. The US hardly had any interesting sales on Vita games.
I don't see how attaching the Vita name to other devices is a road to success. I just can't see people flocking to buy a Vita phone or tablet. And PS Mobile seems like one of those things that was hyped up by various evangelists, only to release to absolutely no fanfare.
I guess it couldn't hurt to try something different, but I don't expect any of the alternatives listed in this thread to succeed.
I guess it couldn't hurt to try something different, but I don't expect any of the alternatives listed in this thread to succeed.
AranhaHunter
Banned
PSP Go
No. Unless they buy the rights to Crash IP back and make a 3rd team, completely separate from the 2 main teams that work on consoles, to make it. Crash would be perfect for handhelds.
leatherhat
Member
Why would the vita be any different?
Also sony still pushes move a lot, thats not doing particularly well.
I just dont think sony will ever kill a system.
Winnie the Pimp
Member
Sure he does, but more than the handheld he wants that special GAME to go with it!
I know it's not a handheld but would you have bought the old Xbox day 1 back then if it hadn't had HALO ?
Would you have gotten an N64 if it had not had Mario 64?
(talking about launch periods/windows here of course)
etc etc
metalslimer
Member
They won't kill it. They'll just stop making games for it and ignore it when PS4 comes out. I don't know if Sony will ever come out with a press release or something say they're done with it, but you will see it in their actions if Vita fails to pick up this holiday.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
*Pokes head into thread*
Yep!
**Walks backward out**
**Goes back to playing his Vita earning Platinums**
Yep!
**Walks backward out**
**Goes back to playing his Vita earning Platinums**
Whats the difference...
SkylineRKR
Member
They only started to push Move when it was like a year on the market. And Move also mostly enjoys support from B developers, why no full fledged Ape Escape platform game like Mario Galaxy? Ofcourse not, just release a shitty rails game.
Damage had been done already. Its launch -> silence -> more silence -> act. Vita is facing the same fate.
Only their home consoles enjoy full support.
PSPGo was meant as a relaunch and they killed it pretty fast.
ontopic
PSvitas support seems to have slowed down alot worldwide and in Japan even the old PSP is still seen as a far more reasonable choice.
They've never released a stillborne console, and they've never before been in such a precarious financial position. If Vita keeps selling at its current rate, Sony would be crazy not to focus all their game development efforts on PS4.
chertipros
Member
I never implied that I thought that Sony would ever kill off the PS vita prematurely. I think its obvious that they won't
You are single handedly saving the Vita.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Killing off a platform has way more long term implications than it does benefits.
Sega killed two in a row and never recovered the lost faith from developers or consumers.
Nintendo killed the Virtual Boy and the ghost of that decision dogs them to this day.
Sega killed two in a row and never recovered the lost faith from developers or consumers.
Nintendo killed the Virtual Boy and the ghost of that decision dogs them to this day.
SkylineRKR
Member
Sony also killed the PSX thing.
Fact is, Sony hasn't been releasing a megaton in over 10 years. They didn't come up with Live, and they didn't come up with motion controls. Those 2 things enjoy or have enjoyed tremendous success through the last decade and changed console gaming.
MS capitalizes on the Wii with Kinect, which is different enough to lure consumers in. Sony rebrands the Wii-Mote. Thats the difference.
Fact is, Sony hasn't been releasing a megaton in over 10 years. They didn't come up with Live, and they didn't come up with motion controls. Those 2 things enjoy or have enjoyed tremendous success through the last decade and changed console gaming.
MS capitalizes on the Wii with Kinect, which is different enough to lure consumers in. Sony rebrands the Wii-Mote. Thats the difference.
Winnie the Pimp
Member
metalslimer
Member
For a home console? Sure. For a handheld platform that no one knows exists? Assuming Vita doesn't pick up, keeping alive would cost them a lot more money than pulling the plug with the shelf space, manufacturing, etc.
SkylineRKR
Member
PSP is easier to develop for and seems to be more succesful in Japan. I guess PSP also generates more profit for Sony as it should be cheap to produce.
If Sony kills Vita, I can see PSP just going on at this rate and not many will scold Sony for doing it. Most people don't know Vita anyway, I think trust in Ps4 won't really be harmed. Sony did turn the Ps3 around with all their might, as again their main focus is console gaming and always has been.
If Sony kills Vita, I can see PSP just going on at this rate and not many will scold Sony for doing it. Most people don't know Vita anyway, I think trust in Ps4 won't really be harmed. Sony did turn the Ps3 around with all their might, as again their main focus is console gaming and always has been.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
They should've made it a phone. They'll ride out the Vita for as long as possible, but I don't think anyone doubts that it'll be their last dedicated handheld.
The intelligent thing to do is to push their Xperia phones on the US market (they've started making inroads with the TL, but they need more work).
Once Xperias are established on the level that Samsung and HTC are currently dominating Android marketshare, then they can tout exclusive titles via the PlayStation Suite which will only be released through Sony phones.
Kill two birds with one stone, and compete in a market where Nintendo has never ventured, while also offering PlayStation family first party support which no other phone carrier/OS can offer.
The intelligent thing to do is to push their Xperia phones on the US market (they've started making inroads with the TL, but they need more work).
Once Xperias are established on the level that Samsung and HTC are currently dominating Android marketshare, then they can tout exclusive titles via the PlayStation Suite which will only be released through Sony phones.
Kill two birds with one stone, and compete in a market where Nintendo has never ventured, while also offering PlayStation family first party support which no other phone carrier/OS can offer.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
grimshawish
Banned
Kinect is dead though. Move is dead.
Wii-Mote is still the best control wise (it actually functions as a controller); its being half-arsed replaced but is still a big part of the Nintendo family.
MS has Live. Miiverse is Nintendo catching up with that, and I'd say so far its what Kinect promised. Something similar but taking a different angle to make it different enough. Nintendo evidently has a different aim with Miiverse than MS does with Live; but then the Kinect only 'promised' to do things, its a broken piece of crap whose software never lived up to what it initially promised to be capable of.
Your right Sony has nothing of 'stand out' though beyond their brand and some first party titles.
Sony Ambassador Programme, trade your Platinums in for money off PS4
Good idea actually
You're speaking in absolutes, but in my experience it's not too far from the truth. There seem to be a ton of people that literally don't know what the hell a Vita is.
I didnt think you were, i just think its unlikely it will die.
Anywho, back to other threads.
FairXchange
Member
I must admit I am a bit worried about my Vita purchase, I probably bought all the notable games at launch and post launch. Right now I'm left with the impression that I may have been very foolish rushing into this launch.
I need a defining killer app with amazing replay value and hardware specific features that really set it apart as only possible on the Vita.
I need a defining killer app with amazing replay value and hardware specific features that really set it apart as only possible on the Vita.
UncleSporky
Member
Maybe these are different people making these claims, but it's quite frustrating looking through the first few pages seeing "I love my Vita, the no games thing is a myth" mixed in with "the 3DS has a terrible, weak lineup."
Neither of these are compelling arguments. They are both entirely subjective.
3DS launch-aligned is still neck and neck with DS, and the DS had two Christmases under its belt by this point. In fairness, there is not necessarily any reason to expect it to surpass/equal DS in the coming months, but it is not doing horribly. Perhaps it would be doing better if not for the presence of phone games.
Vita is doing poorly at retail in all markets.
These are the things that matter.
Neither of these are compelling arguments. They are both entirely subjective.
3DS launch-aligned is still neck and neck with DS, and the DS had two Christmases under its belt by this point. In fairness, there is not necessarily any reason to expect it to surpass/equal DS in the coming months, but it is not doing horribly. Perhaps it would be doing better if not for the presence of phone games.
Vita is doing poorly at retail in all markets.
These are the things that matter.
Castor Krieg
Banned
A company will not acknowledge publicly that one of its products had failed, as this can potentially give rise to shareholders demanding the people responsible to be punished. Also, remember that the Japanese will very rarely apologize for anything (despite Fukushima and PSN hack the concept of 'face' is similar in Japan and China).
Lord Ghirahim
Member
Your name isn't red though.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I'd argue differently - most Vita owners I've talked to are hardcore gamers and love it. The system's software sales are decent enough, and hardcore gamers buy a lot of games.
I just think the hardcore gamer crowd is far smaller than anyone thinks.
Wouldn't that be hilarious, though?
Skyzard literally never fails to make the most silly, transparent comments imaginable.
RoninChaos
Member
I think this shows how much faulty logic Sony's management uses on a regular basis. They did this with the ps3 and did it with the vita. I read something the other day where an exec said they just expected developers to make games for the system, as if we were still in the ps1/ps2 era. It's ridiculous.
metalslimer
Member
He's kind of out there....
Anyone who says anything negative about the precious being permabanned?
Platinum is very valuable. You can melt the trophies and give the raw material to Sony to sell.
SkylineRKR
Member
Kinect might be dead (well it seems to resurface every holiday season) but it sure left a bigger mark than the Move did and I think it helped the 360 which was kind of slowing down at that point. It seemingly did lure in a new crowd that likely sticked. I think we'll see Kinect back in improved form on better hardware/tech, while Move won't ever return.
But yeah this is about Vita... anyway, the bottomline is that graphics won't help you these days. Its really about innovation. Up until the Ps2, it was mostly about graphics. The Ps2 was a prettier Ps1 (much like the SNES was to the NES) and it was perfectly fine. Sony struggled when other factors came into play.
But yeah this is about Vita... anyway, the bottomline is that graphics won't help you these days. Its really about innovation. Up until the Ps2, it was mostly about graphics. The Ps2 was a prettier Ps1 (much like the SNES was to the NES) and it was perfectly fine. Sony struggled when other factors came into play.
metalslimer
Member
They kind of have. Vita has about one shelf in most gaming sections. Literally the only further they could go would be to not sell it entirely. And retailers put up with the PSP through 2011 giving it a shelf, so I can't see them actually removing Vitas from the stores.
biggersmaller
Banned
I bought one at launch predicting its failure within a year. I really bought it at the time for the PSP games I never played and PS1 games I knew would eventually come.
Also, I love MGS on the go.
Now that I know the end is imminent, I don't know how to feel.
Also, I love MGS on the go.
Now that I know the end is imminent, I don't know how to feel.
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Deleted member 17706
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I like the idea of the Vita, but it just doesn't have anything that makes me want to pull the trigger. That Assassin's Creed game is close, but it sounds like it may not be the best effort.
The thing needs some good original content. Stuff like Gravity Daze.
The thing needs some good original content. Stuff like Gravity Daze.
The gamestop across the street from where I live literally has half of a shelf for Vita games. Even 3DS doesn't get a great amount of space for some reason.
eighty(one)
Member
I highly disagree with the original post. There have been some new bundles, especially a nice and sexy white AC3:Liberation bundle, which I recently picked up.
Anyone who says the Vita has no games is misinformed, a troll or just hasn't paid attention and follows a pack mentality chanting "doomed" memes. The Vita might be selling an underwhelming amount, but it's received a lot of Sony first party support and scored a few nice third party gems, all before it's first birthday.
Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3 looks stunning on the Vita. Stunning....then there are other great games (all of which I've purchased) to play:
Uncharted Golden Abyss (WOW!)
MLB the Show 12 (looks and plays really nice)
Virtua Tennis 4 (60FPS direct console adaptation)
Assassins Creed 3 Liberation (still blown away by what Ubi accomplished)
Need For Speed Most Wanted (Criterion in house developed - full open world, console port with day/night cycle and really awesome in your hands)
Little Big Planet Vita (probably the nicest LBP experience available)
Unit 13 (a really nice, mission based TPS)
Rayman Origins (looks beautiful on dat OLED screen)
Wipeout 2048 (looks and runs beautifully, can expand with full HD/Fury campaign DLC)
Gravity Rush (charming and open world kind of JRPG)
Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus (looks and runs beautifully - very faithful port)
Resistance Burning Skies (mediocre, but great controls really show FPS can work wonderfully on Vita)
Play station All Stars Battle Royale (beta version looks and plays really well, can't wait for retail release - like a SSB in your pocket)
SSD Delta (beautiful and fluid dual stick shooter)
There are also great games like VLR, Ragnarok Odyssey, Dokuro, SFXT, FiFA, Madden, MGS HD collection, etc.
PSP and PS1 compatibility, YouTube, trophies, party chat, etc...
Upcoming: CoD: Black Ops Declassified, PSASBR, Persona 4 Golden, Killzone (developed by Cambridge/Guerilla), Sly Cooper 4, Tearway (new Media Molecule IP), Soul Sacrifice (Inafume's new project)....
I'm not a Vita apologist, but there really is a lot available all before the system is really even a year old in the west. The system is lacking Japanese centric games, but maybe Sonyis aiming for the West,mad gaming transition toward the west. Whether that payoff in the long run, I don't know...but the system is fantastic and I've been enjoying it more since February. Enough to pickup a white system, in addition to my old black one, which I'll be regifting to a little (young and enthusiastic) gamer in my household this holiday.
I also love 3DS, enough to have bought an aqua, then purple then the XL. I'm not an either or gamer. There is stuff I wanted to play and will want to play on both systems, so the investment was worth it. If everyone keeps sitting on the fence, both systems will perform terribly. If the games are there (I feel they are) buy one and help keep both systems from an early demise. Quit listening to people parrot a sentiment....it would be a shame for Vita to fail, it's just such nice hardware and it has some awesome games that make the handheld transition wonderfully.
Anyone who says the Vita has no games is misinformed, a troll or just hasn't paid attention and follows a pack mentality chanting "doomed" memes. The Vita might be selling an underwhelming amount, but it's received a lot of Sony first party support and scored a few nice third party gems, all before it's first birthday.
Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3 looks stunning on the Vita. Stunning....then there are other great games (all of which I've purchased) to play:
Uncharted Golden Abyss (WOW!)
MLB the Show 12 (looks and plays really nice)
Virtua Tennis 4 (60FPS direct console adaptation)
Assassins Creed 3 Liberation (still blown away by what Ubi accomplished)
Need For Speed Most Wanted (Criterion in house developed - full open world, console port with day/night cycle and really awesome in your hands)
Little Big Planet Vita (probably the nicest LBP experience available)
Unit 13 (a really nice, mission based TPS)
Rayman Origins (looks beautiful on dat OLED screen)
Wipeout 2048 (looks and runs beautifully, can expand with full HD/Fury campaign DLC)
Gravity Rush (charming and open world kind of JRPG)
Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus (looks and runs beautifully - very faithful port)
Resistance Burning Skies (mediocre, but great controls really show FPS can work wonderfully on Vita)
Play station All Stars Battle Royale (beta version looks and plays really well, can't wait for retail release - like a SSB in your pocket)
SSD Delta (beautiful and fluid dual stick shooter)
There are also great games like VLR, Ragnarok Odyssey, Dokuro, SFXT, FiFA, Madden, MGS HD collection, etc.
PSP and PS1 compatibility, YouTube, trophies, party chat, etc...
Upcoming: CoD: Black Ops Declassified, PSASBR, Persona 4 Golden, Killzone (developed by Cambridge/Guerilla), Sly Cooper 4, Tearway (new Media Molecule IP), Soul Sacrifice (Inafume's new project)....
I'm not a Vita apologist, but there really is a lot available all before the system is really even a year old in the west. The system is lacking Japanese centric games, but maybe Sonyis aiming for the West,mad gaming transition toward the west. Whether that payoff in the long run, I don't know...but the system is fantastic and I've been enjoying it more since February. Enough to pickup a white system, in addition to my old black one, which I'll be regifting to a little (young and enthusiastic) gamer in my household this holiday.
I also love 3DS, enough to have bought an aqua, then purple then the XL. I'm not an either or gamer. There is stuff I wanted to play and will want to play on both systems, so the investment was worth it. If everyone keeps sitting on the fence, both systems will perform terribly. If the games are there (I feel they are) buy one and help keep both systems from an early demise. Quit listening to people parrot a sentiment....it would be a shame for Vita to fail, it's just such nice hardware and it has some awesome games that make the handheld transition wonderfully.
I like the look of it but with the Japanese sales so bad all I see is a lack of Japanese support as the 3DS is the dominant player. Western developers/publishers don't care about handhelds and before I even consider the vita I would get a Japanese 3DS as thats where all the support will be.
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Deleted member 17706
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Subjective, sure, but none of that looks compelling to me other than Ass Creed 3, Gravity Rush, and maybe Wipeout (which I hear does not run so wonderfully in terms of framerate).
I'm not interested in compromised ports or spin-offs of console franchises. That seems to be Sony's direction for the Vita (or at least it was at the beginning) and that disappoints me.
it is a myth. & I must have missed the posts that said 3ds had weak lineup.
sorry, what's the argument about again?
this has what exactly to do with Vita?
True. That doesn't mean Sony is losing money on it, although they could be. Nor does it mean game development for the platform has stopped.
But if someone is poor, and $250 represents a big chunk of their personal wealth, I wouldn't recommend a Vita as a long term investment.
On the other hand, if getting a couple hundred hours of quality gaming on a first class portable device is enough to justify a $250 purchase for someone without any guarantees for the future, then yeah the Vita is great.
jimmypython
Member
To be fair, they made the EYETOY for PS2, which was the first Wii remote/Kinect-like add-on.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
i'm actually glad some of you are nowhere near management positions at gaming companies. hw launches, isn't even out for a full year, sales aren't high, obvious decision? nuke it as soon as possible, don't even let the thing last a year!
this handheld generation is actually quite boring, ds and psp really had amazing libraries and really complemented each other very well, but 3ds and vita are limping along, at least to me, because i still don't have a strong desire to buy either one. i guess smartphones/tablets really did some damage.
this handheld generation is actually quite boring, ds and psp really had amazing libraries and really complemented each other very well, but 3ds and vita are limping along, at least to me, because i still don't have a strong desire to buy either one. i guess smartphones/tablets really did some damage.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
I'm making myself a 20lb chains only 79 platinums to go
Need 200 platinums for 20lb Platinum Chain shaped like the Platinum Trophy!
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Winnie the Pimp
Member
In case Sony DOES pull the plug on Vita or just lets it "silently go out", what i wanna know is this in case i decide to snag one since it will then be THE definitive Sony device to play my PSP+PS1 games on :
- Will Sony keep "supporting" Vita in the sense that you will always be able to download or redownload your PSN games onto it that you bought at some point?
If so then i will get one at SOME point in time regardless of everything else just to have the ultimate PSP/PS1 emulator machine
- Will Sony keep "supporting" Vita in the sense that you will always be able to download or redownload your PSN games onto it that you bought at some point?
If so then i will get one at SOME point in time regardless of everything else just to have the ultimate PSP/PS1 emulator machine
Well said, and I agree.
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