Just what is Sony doing with Vita? If they've given-up, they should just kill it.

Vitas problem is price.

That can always be fixed, Sony obviously aren't ready to fix that yet, and people saying that Sony should discontinue the console before even adjusting its price point are quite frankly, off their tits....

What if Sony is selling at a break-even point or a loss at the moment, and don't foresee manufacturers costs going down for years?

On one hand, they can drop the price $50 and take a $50 loss on every unit they sell for an indeterminate amount of time, potentially losing millions.

On the other, they can quietly discontinue it without dropping the price, and sell off remaining stock with a loss of $0 per unit.

Or heck, even if they drop the price when they discontinue it, at least that provides a definite cutoff for monetary losses instead of waiting for manufacturer costs to drop for years.

Of course this is all hypothetical and probably not all that likely, but I don't understand how someone cannot fathom that this could be a method of cutting their losses.
 
So why are you blaming Sony for third party mishaps. And WTH at the ACL ending. I am nowhere close. You kinda take the wind out of my sails on that one.

Its the internet bro no matter how much you might enjoy something, another feels the opposite. Finish and make up your own mind. He might be right but since your already playing you got nothing to lose. Might be wrong in your eyes.
 
lets make something. you can fake digital controls via a keyboard easily enough, but you could handle analogue emulation too probably - just use letter combinations to represent analogue inputs.

You can do with some controllers, via Blutrol (JB only) But still no analogue input yet.
 
If Sony dropped the price of the Vita to 169, I'm pretty sure it would still be in the same situation everywhere except for maybe Japan where more people might buy it over a PSP>
 
I'm sorry, what the hell does this even mean?

The games on it were such that I wanted to play them on my couch, my PSP hooked to a sound system and AC cord for maximum brightness. I felt dumb playing games like that after a while.
 
It'll be fine.
Also LOL at the THEY SHOULD JUST END IT

Yeah because that's how these things work.



It happened in the past. At lot : Jaguar, Virtual boy, CD-I, Gizmondo, 3D0 ...not to say Vita will suffer the same fate, but it's not like it never happened.
 
It happened in the past. At lot : Jaguar, Virtual boy, CD-I, Gizmondo, 3D0 ...not to say Vita will suffer the same fate, but it's not like it never happened.

Outside of PSX which is a derivation of the PS .. none of those are Sony hardware. That should tell you something
 
It´s the first one, if they´d know what they are doing they wouldn´t have released the Vita in the first place.
Why?

Vita has enormous potential, what holds it back is:

1: The price. Anything above $200 is too much for a dedicated handheld to find mass market appeal.

2: The lack of a big system-seller.

3: Sony's decision in pushing cross-play between an established and a non-established platform. When you have two successful platforms, cross-play is an awesome feature to have. When you only have one successful platform, offering cross-play is a completely irrational move. You just offer fewer incentives for gamers to buy your, already struggling, product.

Games such as PlayStation All-Stars Battle, Ratchet, Sly etc., could help the Vita as exclusives.

4: Sony's decision in pushing the Vita as a "home console in your hands".
This is a concept that only appeals to certain people within a minority (aka only a portion of the core demographic). Seriously, this is as niche as it can get, I haven't seen anything like this since the launch of Neo Geo.

1 and 2 could change down the road, but Sony needs to change 3 and 4 ASAP imo.
 
lets make something. you can fake digital controls via a keyboard easily enough, but you could handle analogue emulation too probably - just use letter combinations to represent analogue inputs.

Can iOS read multiple keyboard inputs at once though?
 
Outside of PSX which is a derivation of the PS .. none of those are Sony hardware. That should tell you something
Sony's never had a platform non-starter like Vita before. They have no problem scaling back or entirely dropping hardware extensions or revisions (PocketStation, PSX, PSEye, PSP Go, Move, etc) but Vita's really the first time they're facing this sort of dilemma with a whole system. Will be interesting to see what they do.
 
Outside of PSX which is a derivation of the PS .. none of those are Sony hardware. That should tell you something


Philips, Panasonic, Nintendo, Atari ... I don't know, man. Who would have guessed a Nintendo system would live only a year or so ?
 
So what you are saying is that doomsday people were right all this time.. 21/12-2012.

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why can´t people just have fun with the console/handheld they bought.. ? why is it so hard to understand some people don´t care about statistics and doomsday predictions..? many people enjoy their Vita and are glad they bought it.

Why are those people even in this thread? If negative talk about a system is seriously detracting from your enjoyment with said system then you need some help.

Not to mention the fact that any Vita game OT or any of the many Vita specific info threads is pretty much a circle jerk. Let's just say there are plenty of places to have positive talk about the system if that is what you are looking for.
 
I'd still like buttons though.

It really is that simple for some. My transformer prime came with a couple of free games. I simply couldn't stand using virtual buttons.

Its the internet bro no matter how much you might enjoy something, another feels the opposite. Finish and make up your own mind. He might be right but since your already playing you got nothing to lose. Might be wrong in your eyes.

Gotcha. I was still going to work on it because I find it to be a wonderful distraction.
 
I just found out ACL was released on VITA already and it did not get the rave reviews a lot of people were saying it would get. I wonder if COD VITA would score better.
 
I know people don't like when people say this but the Vita simply doesn't have any games, sure it has some games but most of them are basically games I can already play on another system so why fork out $300 for a system when I can basically play the same games on my PS3.
 
Vita's problems are price, games and mindshare. The price is too high, there are too few games and mindshare for the Vita is virtually zero. People are already doing mobile gaming on cellphones and tablets as well as the 3DS. PSP was only a moderate success so not that many people were even thinking about or looking forward to the Vita. The marketing for the Vita has been pretty lackluster. I haven't personally seen any ads or commercials for it.

Sony can turn it around with a pricecut, more games for the system and some marketing. It's unlikely that they can turn it into a success though. The handheld market is probably not big enough to support both the 3DS and the Vita. Cellphones and tablets have taken up too much marketshare and mindshare I believe.
 
It's a great little system but I haven't played mine in awhile. I've preordered Black Ops Declassification but after Resistance and the lack of activision input I don't expect much other than a quick platinum trophy. I bought Plants Vs Zombies when it was on a PSN+ sale but haven't played it yet. I own it already on 360 and iphone.

edit: A new GTA game made just for Vita would be awesome!
 
Why are those people even in this thread? If negative talk about a system is seriously detracting from your enjoyment with said system then you need some help.

Not to mention the fact that any Vita game OT or any of the many Vita specific info threads is pretty much a circle jerk. Let's just say there are plenty of places to have positive talk about the system if that is what you are looking for.

he.. I can make a list of complaints..

- Stupid expensive memory card.
- Console is to expensive.
- There are games, but not enough to warrant better sales.
- Prices for games are stupid. Digital PSN prices are almost always more expensive.

tada.. But I still like my Vita. I really wish it will sell better soon, but I just don´t see that happening because Sony uses money to advertise the wrong places. It´s not like I watch a champions league Soccer game, and think "Wauw that big billboard on the side makes me want to buy a Vita"... nope Sony is stupid when it comes to advertising,..

I´m a little tech freak. That´s why I bought a Vita. The Vita is a nice little handheld console.. but to be perfectly honest, I could easily live without one..
 
What if Sony is selling at a break-even point or a loss at the moment, and don't foresee manufacturers costs going down for years?

On one hand, they can drop the price $50 and take a $50 loss on every unit they sell for an indeterminate amount of time, potentially losing millions.

On the other, they can quietly discontinue it without dropping the price, and sell off remaining stock with a loss of $0 per unit.

Or heck, even if they drop the price when they discontinue it, at least that provides a definite cutoff for monetary losses instead of waiting for manufacturer costs to drop for years.

Of course this is all hypothetical and probably not all that likely, but I don't understand how someone cannot fathom that this could be a method of cutting their losses.

What if someone posted a load of old bollocks on the net and pretended it could actually happen even though that has never happened before....?
 
Wonder if anyone with technical knowledge can answer this. My friend was showing me FF9 on his phone (obv emulated) and comparing it to my purchased version running on my Vita. His character models were in HD and everything looked smoother and all around better then how my version looked.

Will the Vita ever officially or unofficially be able to up res certain assets like he did or will it require a complete custom program like he's probably using on his phone?
 
What if Sony is selling at a break-even point or a loss at the moment, and don't foresee manufacturers costs going down for years?

On one hand, they can drop the price $50 and take a $50 loss on every unit they sell for an indeterminate amount of time, potentially losing millions.

On the other, they can quietly discontinue it without dropping the price, and sell off remaining stock with a loss of $0 per unit.

Or heck, even if they drop the price when they discontinue it, at least that provides a definite cutoff for monetary losses instead of waiting for manufacturer costs to drop for years.

Of course this is all hypothetical and probably not all that likely, but I don't understand how someone cannot fathom that this could be a method of cutting their losses.

PS3 got a price drop in the first 7 months and it wasn't at a break even point.
 
Wonder if anyone with technical knowledge can answer this. My friend was showing me FF9 on his phone (obv emulated) and comparing it to my purchased version running on my Vita. His character models were in HD and everything looked smoother and all around better then how my version looked.

Will the Vita ever officially or unofficially be able to up res certain assets like he did or will it require a complete custom program like he's probably using on his phone?
I believe there are legal constraints because they would technically be tampering with the source material of developers. If said developers wanted to release a HD update for example they would have been undermined by an emulator.
 
I know people don't like when people say this but the Vita simply doesn't have any games, sure it has some games but most of them are basically games I can already play on another system so why fork out $300 for a system when I can basically play the same games on my PS3.

Let me know how do you feel carrying PS3 and 50" TV on your daily commute.
 
So far, I love everything about my VITA so far and I have more than enough games to keep me busy, I mean last month I got Little Kings Story and Ragnorok and they have been keeping me more than busy! This month its Black Ops and Persona 4... those alone will keep me busy for hours upon hours...
 
he.. I can make a list of complaints..

- Stupid expensive memory card.
- Console is to expensive.
- There are games, but not enough to warrant better sales.
- Prices for games are stupid. Digital PSN prices are almost always more expensive.


tada.. But I still like my Vita. I really wish it will sell better soon, but I just don´t see that happening because Sony uses money to advertise the wrong places. It´s not like I watch a champions league Soccer game, and think "Wauw that big billboard on the side makes me want to buy a Vita"... nope Sony is stupid when it comes to advertising,..

I´m a little tech freak. That´s why I bought a Vita. The Vita is a nice little handheld console.. but to be perfectly honest, I could easily live without one..

That pretty much sums it up.

On the memory cards though, this is 2012 and they want us to pay $20 for a 4GB memory card? Really?? Really SONY???

They should have realised they fucked that up right when they had those prices, especially when everything is moving towards digital and there is no way to upgrade the memory in the Vita except for those over the board expensive memory cards.
 
If it's going to be too expensive, it's gotta have the software to make it worth while. It can't have both strikes against it. The 2nd hand market prices are just right though. Ebay's but-it-now listings have a bunch in great condition in the $180-$200 range with memory included. That's the route I took and it worked out great.

Yeah you're not helping Sony any, but I look at it as Sony not helping Sony any. These sales could be theirs with a little more investment (read: slightly higher manufacturing loss) at this crucial time when they need to establish a base and get devs on board to ensure successes in the long term.
 
The point is that Sony will not just pull the plug. The very idea that Yoshida or Kaz will come out, do a 17 minute bow and say "that's it folks" is absurd. Sony will support it in one way or another. I want them to do more, I want them to seem to fucking try, but what I want and what they do are often wildly different.

I bought the Vita to play games on, that is exactly what I am doing with it and what I'll continue to do on it for years to come. I HOPE that means I'll also be enjoying the fruits of new games, but there's sweet fuck all me worrying about it is going to do.

I could sit here and reel off a list of shit they could do to maybe solve the problem. Yet I doubt any of it would be something that didn't already crop up at one of the (I'm sure) many meetings the brass have had with the agendum being simply "What the fuck are we going to do with this".

I don't know exactly what I'm supposed to do or say. I own one, I regret nothing, I hope that it get's a decent influx of new owners and games in the next 12 months so that 3rd party support picks up. I am enjoying my Vita more than any system I've ever owned, though honestly I've not owned many, yet I don't make games, I don't write a blog or reviews for games (aside from about 3 articles on nearvita), I don't sell games, so in no way can I influence anyone to buy one on a mass scale.

It's rare that I post in these kind of threads simply because it's all been said already. Drop the price, drop the memory card price, release more games both dedicated and multiplats. A thread could be made with that title and locked with no additional posts in it. It would contain the essence of every one of these threads distilled into the core issues. Yet week after week, thread after thread, we go around and around going absolutely nowhere


Of course Sony will never truly "end" the Vita as you describe it, but they'll let it die a quiet death. Kinda like what they've done with the Move and 3D gaming. Oh sure, every couple of months, they'll pretend that it's still in their plans, but quietly letting Vita die is one thing that they can very easily do. In fact, as I mentioned, their E3 almost made it seem like they were going to let the Vita die quietly.

You're right, nothing you say here will help Sony, but nothing others say here will end the Vita too. This is a discussion forum, where people come to discuss video games and things related to video games. You can either join in and discuss and argue and counter argue (because what else does one do at a forum), or you can ignore it.

Coming in and announcing "I love my games, I don't care if it dies tomorrow, I still have a HUGE backlog, nothing I say here matters" is frustrating to me, because it doesn't add much to the conversation (Conversely, those who say "There are no gamez, it should just die" adds nothing either). There is a lot of people arguing passionately for both sides.


I read this everywhere but it's just not true.

- Sony cared enough to have one of the best launch line-ups ever.

- Sony cared enough to release many first-party games, 4 of which had exceptional production values, in less than a year's time.

- Sony cared enough to have a lot of content in the PSN store.

- Sony cared enough to have 2 of the biggest western franchises on the Vita.

- Sony cares enough to produce a new (exclusive) Killzone game for the western audience.

- Sony cares enough to produce a new IP like Tearaway in hope that they find a hit for the mass market.

- Sony cares enough to produce a new IP like Soul Sacrifice in hope that they find a hit for the jpn market.


Is it working? No.

But I'm not sure how can anyone look at the facts and say that Sony 'couldn't care less' about the Vita.

When the NGP's pricing was first announced and its pricing seemed reasonable, what did Nintendo do? Cut it's price, and announce some big Mario games, to be released within weeks of the Vita's release date, and market it aggressively.

A lot of the things you've mentioned here, Sony probably would have done ALREADY, regardless of whether or not the Vita had done well.

All I see is a lot of "Of course we don't like how the Vita is doing, but we feel like our bundles will sell value..don't judge before Christmas!"

Sony could have at least made a big push this holiday season with a price cut, but hey...whatever.
 
When the NGP's pricing was first announced and its pricing seemed reasonable, what did Nintendo do? Cut it's price, and announce some big Mario games, to be released within weeks of the Vita's release date, and market it aggressively.

As you say, NGP price was reasonable. Probably they couldn't have a price cut so early without having big losses with each unit.

And probably they will have some legal problems if they try to announce a big Mario game.
 
NGP price was never reasonable, 250 bucks is just steep for a gaming handheld. But the equally priced 3DS made it look reasonable, and the fact that people expected a ridiculous price from Sony as they always had the tendency to do so.

Its mostly psychological really. All Nintendo had to do was lower its price and the Vita was regarded as being expensive yet again. Although the memorycard thing plays its part too, the Vita wi-fi is actually closer to 300.

The PSP got an original GTA built from the ground up for the PSP in its first year.

Ridge Racers, Acid, Winning Eleven, Tekken 5 DR, MediEvil!

Those were first year games in Europe anyway.
 
I don't know what sort of twisted, insane logic I work on, but this thread is actually making me want a Vita again. Some of the deals in the UK at the moment aren't helping either.
 
Sony drops the price by $50 and includes a 4GB card standard with every unit, would look very tempting next to a 3DS XL.

I agree. Toss in a $10 PSN card (to raise awareness of PlayStation Store for newcomers) and/or a free month of PlayStation Plus, and you just might have a winner.
 
If you're in the UK looking for a Vita ... at last something is being done outside of discussing death in this thread. If you want it, buy it. If not .. continue on

http://neogaf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=498657

uh, what is neogaf.net? anyone?

Why won't they give journalists capture units, and why not any TV-out capabilities? It could only help!

I've said it before but I pretty much had my money ready to go until I found out there was no TV out, and the memory cards were ridiculously priced. Hell this thing should have at least 16 gb of internal memory and an app that lets you record video gameplay and upload it directly to freaking youtube-Bam! every Vita owner is now doing all of your promotional work for you.

But oooh no, gotta protect our intellectual property. And you can't have TV out because we're afraid you'll stop playing your PS3. Give me a break.
 
^^^^^^thanks!

I agree. Toss in a $10 PSN card (to raise awareness of PlayStation Store for newcomers) and/or a free month of PlayStation Plus, and you just might have a winner.

Or maybe create special 'Vita bundles' of PSP games on PSN. Pack 3 games together, knock a few bucks off the price and encourage people to expand their Vita game library with psp games from the PSN store.
 
When the NGP's pricing was first announced and its pricing seemed reasonable, what did Nintendo do? Cut it's price, and announce some big Mario games, to be released within weeks of the Vita's release date, and market it aggressively.

Nitpicking here, but:

Mario Kart 7 was announced at E3 2010, a full year before Vita's price was announced. SM3DL was announced at GDC 2011, a full three months before Vita's price was announced. The price wasn't cut until close to two months after Vita's price was announced.

As for the price cut, 3DS sales post-launch were underwhelming enough (albeit still much better than Vita's recent sales) that Nintendo would probably have cut it regardless. It's possible that a higher Vita price would have meant a smaller 3DS price cut to $200/20K Y, but there's no way to know that.
 
Can I just say that I think people are writing the vita off way too quickly, and honestly must be mentally ill if they think sony will kill it not even a year after its release.
 
^^^^^^thanks!



Or maybe create special 'Vita bundles' of PSP games on PSN. Pack 3 games together, knock a few bucks off the price and encourage people to expand their Vita game library with psp games from the PSN store.

There are some double packs on there of some pretty great games like Killzone/Syphon Filter
 
It was. When the price was announced people were happy, many expected a bigger pricetag.

You're using a different definition of reasonable. Reasonable price given the included tech, reasonable price considering the wide variety of worthwhile games (and nobody knew this when the price was announced), reasonable price considering how much people are willing to spend on their entertainment...

Only one if these is fairly objective, given that we have access to a broad sampling of opinions.

If people buy a product in droves, apparently the average person considers the price reasonable. If a product tanks, apparently it wasn't.
 
So no one else remembers the rumors that the PS3 would be discontinued in 2007? This is Sony we are talking about, they wouldn't kill off an entire platform unless it was a desperate move. The Dreamcast failed because the majority of third party developers such as EA went to work with Sony, and the PS2 easily eclipsed all sales from there on out. You had a machine that could play DVDs, and was starting out easy with the success the previous console earned.
 
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