DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Yeah Nintendo messed up royally... most people have no idea its a new console but more like a "Power Glove" or something... Something got lost big time in the translation!
Wii U eBay resale / sellout / availability discussion
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Yeah Nintendo messed up royally... most people have no idea its a new console but more like a "Power Glove" or something... Something got lost big time in the translation!
Also, 600 hundred dollars. There was an easy problem that could be addressed with enough time.
I really don't see how people can be speaking of a flop. It sold out, Then shipment 2 came in and it vastly sold out. Then massive black Friday shipment comes in and its selling well. If for November they somehow sell less than the Wii did then yes its a failure but nothing seems to be indicating this to be the case.
If anything we are seeing unprecedented retail channel support in the launch window.
If anything we are seeing unprecedented retail channel support in the launch window.
From what I have seen the people getting it confused would be the same people asking for Halo on the Wii, or Mario on the Playstation.
Wii U is ALL over Craigslist. At least 50-60 separate listings. None of them are selling. They're being offered at $400-$425 now.
I wonder if sales will be affected by the resale market saturating it so much? If these people weren't buying more than one (or just one to sell), what would the numbers look like?
I wonder if sales will be affected by the resale market saturating it so much? If these people weren't buying more than one (or just one to sell), what would the numbers look like?
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
So 70% of the current Wii userbase
If it sold great through Black Friday Nintendo would announce something Sunday-Monday. That's when Sony and Msoft will likely start touting numbers.
Most people have no idea? And you base this on?
This will end well.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Returned my second pre-order today.
Here in the Kansas City area, almost every store has some standard bundles, and finding a Deluxe isn't too terribly difficult (just about anyone could find one in a few hours if they hit a couple different cities).
I love my launch unit; and Nintendo has a very special place in my heart. But the WiiU had a terrible reveal two E3s ago, it's re-reveal was almost just as lackluster, and a good portion of the population either doesn't know it exists, or thinks it's a Wii add-on. It's the 3DS all over again; surprised Nintendo didn't learn their lesson.
No doubt, it will turn around and be a success in the end - not Wii levels, but it will have healthy sales, especially once the price comes down, more games are out, and consumers realize what it is.
But even as a big Nintendo fan - it's a hard system to justify purchasing unless you *know* you're going to get one eventually, anyway. For $350 + $50 for a game, you get a collection of mini-games (which, granted, are a blast) and hardware that's - at least on first blush - not that much better than the competition. And the only super exciting launch title is NSMBU - which is good, but more of the same and hardly a system seller considering the 3DS version just launched a few months ago and it's extremely similar to the Wii version. For ~$200 less, you can get an Xbox 360 or PS3, with more memory, DVD and/or Blu-Ray movie support, free games, a much bigger library of games, and a significantly more robust online infrastructure.
So yeah... again... I love mine; and I know I'll love it going forward. We'll get a Zelda and 3D Mario and some other 1st party goodness, and I'm sure they'll be some of the best games ever released. But for those thinking Nintendo doesn't have a battle ahead of them... well, they're in denial.
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EDIT: As for why I'm returning it - I figure I'd be lucky to snag $500 on eBay for the unit. That's absolutely best case scenario at this point, it seems. $25 to ship. $40 in fees. The unit was $380 after tax. That's about $55 in profit at max - more likely less. My time is worth more than that, and I don't want to deal with the hurdles of a potential buyer claim or PayPal issues. I'd rather just get my $380 back now.
Here in the Kansas City area, almost every store has some standard bundles, and finding a Deluxe isn't too terribly difficult (just about anyone could find one in a few hours if they hit a couple different cities).
I love my launch unit; and Nintendo has a very special place in my heart. But the WiiU had a terrible reveal two E3s ago, it's re-reveal was almost just as lackluster, and a good portion of the population either doesn't know it exists, or thinks it's a Wii add-on. It's the 3DS all over again; surprised Nintendo didn't learn their lesson.
No doubt, it will turn around and be a success in the end - not Wii levels, but it will have healthy sales, especially once the price comes down, more games are out, and consumers realize what it is.
But even as a big Nintendo fan - it's a hard system to justify purchasing unless you *know* you're going to get one eventually, anyway. For $350 + $50 for a game, you get a collection of mini-games (which, granted, are a blast) and hardware that's - at least on first blush - not that much better than the competition. And the only super exciting launch title is NSMBU - which is good, but more of the same and hardly a system seller considering the 3DS version just launched a few months ago and it's extremely similar to the Wii version. For ~$200 less, you can get an Xbox 360 or PS3, with more memory, DVD and/or Blu-Ray movie support, free games, a much bigger library of games, and a significantly more robust online infrastructure.
So yeah... again... I love mine; and I know I'll love it going forward. We'll get a Zelda and 3D Mario and some other 1st party goodness, and I'm sure they'll be some of the best games ever released. But for those thinking Nintendo doesn't have a battle ahead of them... well, they're in denial.
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EDIT: As for why I'm returning it - I figure I'd be lucky to snag $500 on eBay for the unit. That's absolutely best case scenario at this point, it seems. $25 to ship. $40 in fees. The unit was $380 after tax. That's about $55 in profit at max - more likely less. My time is worth more than that, and I don't want to deal with the hurdles of a potential buyer claim or PayPal issues. I'd rather just get my $380 back now.
Am i dick for wanting it to not sell great at first leading them to price drop in 3-6 months and then giving free games to all the early adopters like they did with 3DS?
I would totally be ok with this
goldenpp72
Member
Am i dick for wanting it to not sell great at first leading them to price drop in 3-6 months and then giving free games to all the early adopters like they did with 3DS?
I would totally be ok with this
That little eshop discount deluxe owners get is probably their way of making sure they have ambassadors already, I doubt they would do it again.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Am i dick for wanting it to not sell great at first leading them to price drop in 3-6 months and then giving free games to all the early adopters like they did with 3DS?
I would totally be ok with this
As an early adopter, I'm okay with this, too.
I've never, ever understood why people get pissy when the price of the gadget they bought on Day One drops in price. You buy it asap, because you want to play it asap, talk about asap, show people asap, and experience everything "first." Who doesn't like to have something first? I love it, and that's why I continue to buy cool tech shit on their launch day. Sure, I've lost some money - $600 1st gen iPhone, $600 launch PS3, $250 3DS, etc - but that's worth getting to experience new experiences early.
And when a price drop does come, I know there's a really good chance the product I love will garner more support and thus I'll be able to enjoy it even more for a longer period of time.
Thank You Presents to the early adopters afterward is just icing.
goldenpp72
Member
I don't think most people complain that much when a price drop happens, but when it happens after 6 months, and is announced after 4, I can see where the burn is felt. I personally bought a 3ds when it dropped and didn't regret it, but anyone who bought one day one is a sucker considering the crap launch and insane price. At least Wii U has a few games worth playing.
Um, less? Cause, you know, those have already been sold and included in NPD.
Anticitizen One
Banned
I was going to scalp but when I saw at best you can make a $50 profit I just returned it
chertipros
Member
Does anyone in here know when exactly gamestop restocked on Wii U's? And any retail musings from Canada in here?
CosmicQueso
Member
The days of consoles selling out for months are probably over. Far too much competition from other devices and new hotness.
But it doesn't matter how fast these things are moving right now. What matters is what happens in 2013. Does the installed base ramp? Are people buying 2-3 copies of software per Wii U unit?
The Wii U is profitable after 1 SW unit is sold, so even if it is slow right now, NIN is still making money and therefore all the Nintendoomed predictions are meaningless.
We really won't know what the future of console gaming will be until this time 2 years from now.
I guess it's fun for some of you to have your sick twisted dreams of the industry failing be anecdotally stoked, but the fundamentals for gaming in general are still good, even if the days of 2006-08 with double digit growth every year may not come back until 2014-15 or later (if at all). Yes, the industry is consolidating, yes devs are shifting to mobile at a crazy rate, and yes it's been a rough start for the next gen... but seriously some of this stuff y'all are writing is just plain ol crazy.
But it doesn't matter how fast these things are moving right now. What matters is what happens in 2013. Does the installed base ramp? Are people buying 2-3 copies of software per Wii U unit?
The Wii U is profitable after 1 SW unit is sold, so even if it is slow right now, NIN is still making money and therefore all the Nintendoomed predictions are meaningless.
We really won't know what the future of console gaming will be until this time 2 years from now.
I guess it's fun for some of you to have your sick twisted dreams of the industry failing be anecdotally stoked, but the fundamentals for gaming in general are still good, even if the days of 2006-08 with double digit growth every year may not come back until 2014-15 or later (if at all). Yes, the industry is consolidating, yes devs are shifting to mobile at a crazy rate, and yes it's been a rough start for the next gen... but seriously some of this stuff y'all are writing is just plain ol crazy.
BoilersFan23
Member
I pretty much agree with you. The general public is pretty much confused about the WiiU. Most WiiU games, they figure they are for Wii and not a new console. Very few people even know about it and don't really get what makes it different from Wii.
While Wii was a big success to Nintendo, I feel they would have been much better off giving the console a completely new name so people would see it as the next big console.
One reason I bought a WiiU was because I thought it would be hard to find the rest of this year at least. WiiU basic units, I roughly see them half the time at stores and they are not exactly moving fast. Some consider one, until after they find out what the Deluxe has, they put it back and decide to wait. I feel Nintendo did a bad job estimating which SKU people wanted. WiiU Deluxe can be more tricky to find.
It's really hard for me to recommend a WiiU to anyone unless they already own a PS3/360 and plan to use it for the future, or those who never owned a PS3/360 and just want Nintendo first party games (with a few third party games here and there). I bought one, but I knew what I was getting into.
Yeah I think the Basic is going to be the system widely available. I assume Nintendo will be able to adjust relatively quickly.
I have emotion backing some of my stances towards Nintendo and the industry, but as far as certain issues and companies in this industry are concerned? I most definitely have a logic to my thoughts.. although that logic might not be emotionally palatable to others.
I found mine at a Kansas City Sears that only even got two deluxe models in. It was the first store I tried.
Joel Was Right
Member
The natural presumption after its unveiling was that many people would mistake the new console for just a Wii add-on and despite a discussion about this in the industry, Nintendo clearly has opted otherwise. But the marketing, speciifcally the box art for the console, is also questionable in my opinion.
It's a controller with a screen.
In addition to the name Wii, what does this image signify to the general public? Is the controller an add on for the Wii console they may already own?
It's a controller with a screen.
In addition to the name Wii, what does this image signify to the general public? Is the controller an add on for the Wii console they may already own?
Even though I'm enjoying the Wii U I have to agree the marketing was very confusing.
I bet a lot of people are asking why the hell do they have to spend $350 on a wii controller. Nintendo should of named the system something completely different. Because the way they show it and talk about it all of the focus is just on the controller, no mention of better hardware or anything.
I bet a lot of people are asking why the hell do they have to spend $350 on a wii controller. Nintendo should of named the system something completely different. Because the way they show it and talk about it all of the focus is just on the controller, no mention of better hardware or anything.
chertipros
Member
The natural presumption after its unveiling was that many people would mistake the new console for just a Wii add-on and despite a discussion about this in the industry, Nintendo clearly has opted otherwise. But the marketing, speciifcally the box art for the console, is also questionable in my opinion.
It's a controller with a screen.
In addition to the name Wii, what does this image signify to the general public? Is the controller an add on for the Wii console they may already own?
It says Wii U right on the console and it's very visible and I'm pretty sure the Wii was popular enough for the average person let alone someone who already owns the system to know that the Wii doesn't look like the console next to the pad screen in the ad. And besides, If some of the general public can think that the redesigned XBOX 360 with kinect is a new and different console than the regular xbox 360's that were being sold before then, despite being advertised as just a redesigned xbox 360, I don't think the Wii U is in that much trouble
Yeah my parents thought they could just get a new controller-screen for their Wii to play Rockband and stuff. Had to explain otherwise. They said "well... why wouldn't we just buy that xbox camera and play dancing games... thats only $200" and I felt quite sad.
Also sad is the amount of 8GB models around. Most every store seems to have a few laying around.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
The pad is going to have some stiff competition among IPad Mini's and Kinect
You'd be surprised.
When my family came over for Thanksgiving, I still had my old Wii out because I haven't transferred my Last Story saves over yet, and like 5 of them asked me why I had 2 Wiis. I mean, this is just my anecdotal evidence, but it is a question i've had to answer more than a few times.
Nubian Star
Member
I don't think I can say with any confidence that the WiiU has failed in under a weeks time
It still looks like the Wii to me, and i know it's a "new" console. It looks the same at a first and second glance.
The way I look at it,these probably won't sell for much of a profit since the original wii was only $200, which was great for really buying in bundle.then there was the actual marketing nintendo did.
I have hardly seen any ads for this system. Its launch titles are mostly ports. I wouldn't say this is a bust though,but they clearly have no need to push with no competition. especially since microsoft and sony will rather let nintendo take this quarter.and suck up their disappointed customers for next year.
but there will definitely be no price cut. the deluxe model. which is meh. will probably get the boot before a price cut.
I have hardly seen any ads for this system. Its launch titles are mostly ports. I wouldn't say this is a bust though,but they clearly have no need to push with no competition. especially since microsoft and sony will rather let nintendo take this quarter.and suck up their disappointed customers for next year.
but there will definitely be no price cut. the deluxe model. which is meh. will probably get the boot before a price cut.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Honestly and this might seem crazy but I will be impressed if the Wii U can even chart above the PS3 and 360.
I don't think that is very realistic for this Nov-Dec.
I think people are forgetting what launch numbers usually look like.
chertipros
Member
It most definitely won't. The 360 alone is poised to sell 1million units this holiday and nintendo only sent 500k consoles for the launch, and alot of those consoles, according to the people in this thread, is still on shelves. Still I think without a doubt it will have a better launch than the xbox 360 and ps3. Maybe even the wii also
Where is the 500K number from? I suspect they shipped more than that this month.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I have nothing to go on at all except that the one store I was in on black friday had absolutely no PS3's or 360's left and they had plenty of Wii U's I know that doesn't amount to anything but there you go. Also didn't the 360 sell over a million units the week leading up to Black Friday last year? Thats insane
Please tell me people here are not using anecdotal GAF postings as fact
I think I wasn't clear enough in my post- I think we agree. I see no way Wii U outsells either HD system in November or December.
bigtroyjon
Member
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Yeah me thinks there is no beating the 360 this holiday either.
Ah gotcha.
grap3fruitman
Banned
Wii
WiiSports
WiiFit
WiiMusic
WiiParty
WiiPlay
WiiU
Nope, don't see how anyone could get confused.
grap3fruitman
Banned
Failcess.
Yes I would love to see responses to this, because this is by far the most likely scenario.
chixdiggit
Member
Agreed. They should have given it a number or called it something else completely.