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[plagiarize]

Yeah, because North America was an ecological disaster zone before Europeans showed up with their guns.

under hunting has never hurt an eco system. it might to lead to the rise of some pest that upsets *us* by killing farm crops and cattle but the eco system isn't going to give a shit.

 

[speculawyer]

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I think the NRA press conference is what the Mayans had in mind when they said the world would come to an end today
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[Discomurf]

Oh Irony - Love it.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Yeah, because North America was an ecological disaster zone before Europeans showed up with their guns.

There are currently more deer in north America than before the Europeans got here thanks mostly to hunters tbf.

 

[Alchemy]

The solution is simple, replace all students with guns and we don't have to worry about safety in the classroom. Duh.

 

[inky]

E for Everyone.

 

[Felix Lighter]

I'm actually pro-hunting but the argument that wild life would overwhelm the environment if guns were banned is poor. There are other ways to control animal populations that don't require arming your average citizens.

 

[UnblessedSoul]

Yes it was playing those games which caused it, thats why we dont have millions of people shooting it up out on the streets, the real reason is psychological trauma growing up in an unstable divource ridden environment, and easy access to guns.

 

[thehypocrite]

Without hunting, animals would be so over populated. In Michigan, there are so many deer car accidents.

It seems hunting is to blame for that as well.

Deer hunting Vs Car Accidents

 

[Black Republican]

I blame Powerstone for making me want to hop over tables

#rebel

 

[Arcteryx]

Again source. Nature kept a balance before the existence of men, hunting from what I can see has only brought extinction to several species. Humans aren't a special cookie, you aren't keeping the natural balance of the world, all other animals out there don't use guns, they use their natural abilities to hunt which allows one to overcome the other, this is what represents the natural balance, not guns and hunters. Of course if you can provide/direct me to information that states otherwise I can change my position.



Alcohol isn't a hobby, the issue with alcohol it's well documented, however I need to understand your reasoning of why you think because the bad impact of alcohol we should overlook? the negative impact from the hunting hobby. What's the point you're trying to make. You're just saying alcohol is worst and nothing is done about which is wrong plenty is done against alcohol and in some places it's consumption is completely prohibited.


Regulations

Active prohibitions

Sure it is.

I never said alcohol was worse or that we shouldn't do anything about guns (see my posting history if you don't believe me). I'm all for regulation and increased background checks/psych evals(just like alcohol). Attempting to ban all guns will get you nowhere(just like alcohol).

 

[eznark]

I'm actually pro-hunting but the argument that wild life would overwhelm the environment if guns were banned is poor. There are other ways to control animal populations that don't require arming your average citizens.

While I don't know enough to say that eliminating the white tail population would ruin the environment as a whole, the most efficient method of dealing with CWD is hunting.

 

[metareferential]

I'm actually pro-hunting but the argument that wild life would overwhelm the environment if guns were banned is poor. There are other ways to control animal populations that don't require arming your average citizens.

Like every other country in the world does, for example.

 

[gutterboy44]

Saw this on Patton Oswalt's twitter,

There was a mass shooting incident in Pennsylvania during the NRA press conference about the need for more guns http://gaw.kr/y0VOHnm

 

[Omegasquash]

Not the same thing. Weapons are created to kill, regardless if they are use to hunt animals or people, cars are made as a transportation device.

Yes, they are made to kill, but you referenced accidental shootings. Hunters aren't there to kill other people, nor are drivers. In the context of your example, my example is just as relevant.

 

[DragonSworne]

We need laws governing access to guns once they have been purchased.

Things like stolen guns, not locking up guns, etc need to be addressed and negligent people need to be held accountable.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Also, people should really watch the full conference. What people aren't talking about is how phony this guy was. It's like there were parts of his speech that specifically told him to lower his head or to sigh loudly.

 

[Guevara]

Saw this on Patton Oswalt's twitter,

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=505103

 

[Omegasquash]

Yes, they are made to kill, but you referenced accidental shootings. Hunters aren't there to kill other people, nor are drivers. In the context of your example, my example is just as relevant.

It seems hunting is to blame for that as well.

Deer hunting Vs Car Accidents

And you pretty much lose credibility when you quote PETA.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

NelsonMuntzgunsthatshootguns.gif.

 

[Izick]

"Don't take away what we like...take away what everyone else likes!"

If shootings continue like this every day, it's only a matter of time that this is rectified and the US gets stricter gun policies.

 

[Square Triangle]

Meanwhile, another shooting has just taken place in Penn., four dead.

 

[CrunchyFrog]

The rest of the world watches the same movies, plays the same games, and barely anything happens.

.

 

[demosthenes]

Now I would be down for this. It sounds more fun than hiding somewhere and blowing it away with some high powered rifle.

My family uses both to hunt

Why are you so against hunting?

 

[i-Lo]

I like how it's not about the kid's mental health issues or the prescription meds he was on or the article of the massacre, guns.

God's 'Murrica indeed.

 

[Ledsen]

There were police officers stationed at my middle school and high school...kinda surprised that isn't the norm.

What a sad and horrible world to live in

 

[thehypocrite]

Sure it is.

I never said alcohol was worse or that we shouldn't do anything about guns (see my posting history if you don't believe me). I'm all for regulation and increased background checks/psych evals(just like alcohol). Attempting to ban all guns will get you nowhere(just like alcohol).

I'm up for banning all guns and see if we need to adjust from there.

Also I'll ask you this what good does regulation and increased background checks/psych evaluations do if you have multiple people living in a house that aren't evaluated or checked but will have access to the weapons that are stored in the house? Are you going to do the same checks of everyone in the house?

Adam Lanza didn't owned any guns, he just gained access to them. Increased regulation, background checks and psych evaluations are only clearing one individual, it doesn't mean that he/she will be the only one with access to the guns or the only one that can gain access to them.

 

[WeAreStarStuff]

What a sad and horrible world to live in

Yeah this is crazy to me.

 

[params7]

Keep blaming each other, instead of the real culprits (mental illness, bad parenting, lonely/depressing childhood all working with each other to produce anti-social tendencies).

Nothing is going to happen to video games when there is no legit study available on the correlation between games and killers.

 

[demosthenes]

I'm up for banning all guns and see if we need to adjust from there.

Also I'll ask you this what good does regulation and increased background checks/psych evaluations do if you have multiple people living in a house that aren't evaluated or checked but will have access to the weapons that are stored in the house? Are you going to do the same checks of everyone in the house?

Adam Lanza didn't owned any guns, he just gained access to them. Increased regulation, background checks and psych evaluations are only clearing one individual, it doesn't mean that he/she will be the only one with access to the guns or the only one that can gain access to them.

Devil's advocate: make people responsible for guns in their house if used by a member of that house.

Keep blaming each other, instead of the real culprits (mental illness, bad parenting, lonely/depressing childhood all working with each other to produce anti-social tendencies).

Nothing is going to happen to video games when there is no legit study available on the correlation between games and killers.

Emotion > legit.

 

[Arcteryx]

I'm up for banning all guns and see if we need to adjust from there.

Also I'll ask you this what good does regulation and increased background checks/psych evaluations do if you have multiple people living in a house that aren't evaluated or checked but will have access to the weapons that are stored in the house? Are you going to do the same checks of everyone in the house?

Adam Lanza didn't owned any guns, he just gained access to them. Increased regulation, background checks and psych evaluations are only clearing one individual, it doesn't mean that he/she will be the only one with access to the guns or the only one that can gain access to them.

AFAIK, the mother bought the guns with the sole purpose of target shooting with her son(s). If that was truly the case, then yes, ALL people in the house should take the same evaluations(and be held responsible if someone does something with the firearms). If someone in the house has a mental issue, then the firearms would either not be allowed(personally what I would do), or would be required to be housed off-site.

 

[plagiarize]

Sure it is.

I never said alcohol was worse or that we shouldn't do anything about guns (see my posting history if you don't believe me). I'm all for regulation and increased background checks/psych evals(just like alcohol). Attempting to ban all guns will get you nowhere(just like alcohol).

I don't think the two are similar enough to know for a fact that banning guns won't have a positive effect. Why not put a law in place with a clause that sees it terminate after two years if things don't get better (or they get worse).

 

[Derrick01]

My family uses both to hunt

Why are you so against hunting?

Because I don't see the point in it. We've evolved as a society where 90+% of us don't need to do it anymore, so why do people do it still? They must enjoy slaughtering animals, because there's no practical need for it anymore. The keyword here is need, because it's a whole different story when we all had to do it to survive day to day.

 

[Majukun]

 

[thehypocrite]

And you pretty much lose credibility when you quote PETA.

Feel free to provide a link with your preferred org.

Yes, they are made to kill, but you referenced accidental shootings. Hunters aren't there to kill other people, nor are drivers. In the context of your example, my example is just as relevant.

If they are made to kill how can killing be considered accidental?

 

[KingItachi]

I was not expecting anything senseable from the NRA.

 

[sflufan]

Because I don't see the point in it. We've evolved as a society where 90+% of us don't need to do it anymore, so why do people do it still? They must enjoy slaughtering animals, because there's no practical need for it anymore.

Obviously that 90% enjoy the knowledge that the meat they are consuming was raised in unnatural, deplorable conditions and therefore they wholeheartedly approve of the abuse and torture of animals.

 

[Chû Totoro]

NRA sure are right, violent video games are only played in the US.... -_-

And I've never seen someone killed by a video game. You can try your best but I'm not sure killing someone with a game or even a console is possible... but hey :

 

[Zaptruder]

1950s KKK: Black people to blame for rise in racism.

"If there were no black people, there would be an absolute racial harmony among our white country men."

 

[Arcteryx]

I don't think the two are similar enough to know for a fact that banning guns won't have a positive effect. Why not put a law in place with a clause that sees it terminate after two years if things don't get better (or they get worse).

I'd honestly be down to try it, assuming there is a clause that has some kind of termination, some means of getting FULL value for your firearm and/or a means to get your firearm back if it terminates. Until that happens, I highly doubt people with hunting/target rifles that cost upwards of $3000 are just going to hand them over for no recompense.

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

I like how it's not about the kid's mental health issues or the prescription meds he was on or the article of the massacre, guns.

God's 'Murrica indeed.

Keep blaming each other, instead of the real culprits (mental illness, bad parenting, lonely/depressing childhood all working with each other to produce anti-social tendencies).

Nothing is going to happen to video games when there is no legit study available on the correlation between games and killers.

The US is run by morons (government, subsidiaries and organizations, etc) who can't make any decisions correctly (most of the time), and blame their inadequacies on media such as movies and video games when it comes to violence.

 

[demosthenes]

Because I don't see the point in it. We've evolved as a society where 90+% of us don't need to do it anymore, so why do people do it still? They must enjoy slaughtering animals, because there's no practical need for it anymore. The keyword here is need, because it's a whole different story when we all had to do it to survive day to day.

My family don't enjoy slaughtering animals, nor do the other people I've talked to about hunting. They don't torture them. I don't hunt, but I know my dad is at his happiest a lot if he can bring home and fill our freezer full of venison knowing that he didn't just walk into wegmans and buy it all.

Why do you do w/e you do. Do you need to do it? Do you measure everything in your life on the practicality of it?

I'm all for tougher laws but you're silly if you think you could ever outright ban firearms.

 

[Omegasquash]

Feel free to provide a link with your preferred org.

I linked to factual deaths.

If they are made to kill how can killing be considered accidental?

Guns misfire. The hunter that shoots another person is a moron and doesn't check his surroundings before he shoot. Kind of how manslaughter and murder are two separate things.

You're really asking that question?

 

[thehypocrite]

Devil's advocate: make people responsible for guns in their house if used by a member of that house.

Emotion > legit.

Even for visitors to their house? repairmans? etc.

AFAIK, the mother bought the guns with the sole purpose of target shooting with her son(s). If that was truly the case, then yes, ALL people in the house should take the same evaluations(and be held responsible if someone does something with the firearms). If someone in the house has a mental issue, then the firearms would either not be allowed(personally what I would do), or would be required to be housed off-site.

So we should force them to take it because one member of the house wants to get one gun? How do you establish a network to keep track of the mood/mental state of every individual where a gun is allowed? Are you aware that everyone/everyone is potentially susceptible to suffer a nervous breakdown, lose their minds, get into a fight with reality, etc. Even a guy that previously cleared all background checks?

 

[demosthenes]

Even for visitors to their house? repairmans? etc.




So we should force them to take it because one member of the house wants to get one gun? How do you establish a network to keep track of the mood/mental state of every individual where a gun is allowed? Are you aware that everyone/everyone is potentially susceptible to suffer a nervous breakdown, lose their minds, get into a fight with reality, etc. Even a guy that previously cleared all background checks?

Devil's advocate: Keyword is member. The people that live in the house. If someone from your family is visiting I doubt they would have the key to unlock your gun or pin code or w/e. But I would consider them visiting. If a gun is stolen by force then, no, you're not responsible as long as you took proper precautions.

 

[Mung]

Wow, an organisation that gets 70% of its funding from the guns industry (whoops, I mean't grass roots supporters) defends guns.

 

[thehypocrite]

I linked to factual deaths.



Guns misfire. The hunter that shoots another person is a moron and doesn't check his surroundings before he shoot. Kind of how manslaughter and murder are two separate things.

You're really asking that question?

Devil's advocate: Keyword is member. The people that live in the house. If someone from your family is visiting I doubt they would have the key to unlock your gun or pin code or w/e. But I would consider them visiting. If a gun is stolen by force then, no, you're not responsible as long as you took proper precautions.

Good luck in getting a clearance to perform that on minors that may be member of the house.

 

[Majukun]

Even for visitors to their house? repairmans? etc.

especially for them

 

[demosthenes]

Good luck in getting a clearance to perform that on minors that may be member of the house.

Perform what? The point I was bringing up was that if you keep guns in your house you are responsible for them. If your son takes a gun to school then you are held responsible. Keep them locked away from them, don't tell them the pin codes, don't give them keys to the locks unless you trust that they're a sane individual and you've raised them to use them.

 

[thehypocrite]

Perform what? The point I was bringing up was that if you keep guns in your house you are responsible for them. If your son takes a gun to school then you are held responsible. Keep them locked away from them, don't tell them the pin codes, don't give them keys to the locks unless you trust that they're a sane individual and you've raised them to use them.

Wont stop the killings, just having someone be responsible isn't enough.